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Blondell_Letrange
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Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely?
#13990369 - 02/19/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you for example agree with a particular philosopher on most of their ideas, but disagree with some, does it mean that the parts you agree with are perhaps also faulty?
More importantly, how do you reconcile that?
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
#13990374 - 02/19/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Blondell_Letrange said: If you for example agree with a particular philosopher on most of their ideas, but disagree with some, does it mean that the parts you agree with are perhaps also faulty?
Not necessarily, unless they're logically connected.
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
#13990384 - 02/19/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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maybe yes, sometimes, somewhat, on some occasions or something similar to that.
You're really determined to start some trouble today.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Icelander]
#13990388 - 02/19/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: maybe yes, sometimes, somewhat, on some occasions or something similar to that.
You're really determined to start some trouble today.
The dogs ignoring you today?
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
#13990634 - 02/19/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wish. They stare at me like I'm a food dispensing machine.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Icelander]
#13990839 - 02/19/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, technically you ARE one to them.
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: deCypher] 1
#13990860 - 02/19/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know. People say dogs give unconditional love. Having owned dogs most of my life and having been a dog trainer and done lots of rescue work I can confidently say that love has nothing to do with it and unconditional has nothing to do with it. People make the same foolish judgment errors about other humans too. Pay attention for five minutes and the truth of the matter becomes obvious. This is a very clear demonstration that most of humanity lies to itself on a continual basis. And that, dear friend, is why each generation talks change and nothing ever really changes.
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
#13991040 - 02/19/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Blondell_Letrange said: If you for example agree with a particular philosopher on most of their ideas, but disagree with some, does it mean that the parts you agree with are perhaps also faulty?
More importantly, how do you reconcile that?
Most people who say something interesting will make a few 'errors' in the process. If it's 100% flawless then the author is either a genius or just uninteresting. Most likely the latter.
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Icelander said: I know. People say dogs give unconditional love. Having owned dogs most of my life and having been a dog trainer and done lots of rescue work I can confidently say that love has nothing to do with it and unconditional has nothing to do with it. People make the same foolish judgment errors about other humans too. Pay attention for five minutes and the truth of the matter becomes obvious. This is a very clear demonstration that most of humanity lies to itself on a continual basis. And that, dear friend, is why each generation talks change and nothing ever really changes. 
I think the idea that dogs don't love you unconditionally is false.
But I agree with all the rest. :-)
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: amuzakat]
#13991110 - 02/19/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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amuzakat said: I think the idea that dogs don't love you unconditionally is false.
Why?
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: deCypher]
#13991133 - 02/19/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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amuzakat said: I think the idea that dogs don't love you unconditionally is false.
Why?
Sorry, it was an, apparently unsuccessful, attempt at saying something amusing. :-)
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: amuzakat]
#13991168 - 02/19/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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amuzakat said:
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deCypher said:
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amuzakat said: I think the idea that dogs don't love you unconditionally is false.
Why?
Sorry, it was an, apparently unsuccessful, attempt at saying something amusing. :-)
I got it.
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
#13991179 - 02/19/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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That one flew over my head apparently.
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: deCypher] 1
#13991194 - 02/19/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think the idea that dogs don't love you unconditionally is false.
But I agree with all the rest. :-)
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
#13991207 - 02/19/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I get it now... gonna blame it on the ganja.
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
#13991237 - 02/19/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Blondell_Letrange said: If you for example agree with a particular philosopher on most of their ideas, but disagree with some, does it mean that the parts you agree with are perhaps also faulty?
More importantly, how do you reconcile that?
When I first started posting here, in '07, I'd always notice the faulty (or what I thought were) ideas or perspectives of the posters here. I don't argue nearly as much as I used to and have learned to (partially) accept the dark side of other posters. I learned to do that by recognizing the dark, faulty side within myself.
I believe we aren't limited to one perspective, so my answer to your first question would be no. Sometimes the sun shines and sometimes it rains. When the sun shines I try not to get hung up on the rainy moments. So to answer your second question, I realize it's just rain and know that it's impermanent.
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: amuzakat]
#13991380 - 02/19/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think the idea that dogs don't love you unconditionally is false.
Obviously you lack experience with living things, (besides plants maybe)
Get a dog, beat it, don't feed it, and otherwise ignore it, and then tell me about the unconditional love.
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Icelander]
#13991431 - 02/19/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Get a dog, beat it, don't feed it, and otherwise ignore it, and then tell me about the unconditional love. 
Be Back Later, giving the Icelander Training Programâ„¢ a try. 

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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Icelander]
#13991498 - 02/19/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I think the idea that dogs don't love you unconditionally is false.
Obviously you lack experience with living things, (besides plants maybe)
Get a dog, beat it, don't feed it, and otherwise ignore it, and then tell me about the unconditional love. 
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deCypher said:
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amuzakat said: I think the idea that dogs don't love you unconditionally is false.
Why?
Sorry, it was an, apparently unsuccessful, attempt at saying something amusing. :-)
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: amuzakat]
#13991654 - 02/19/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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unsuccessful is right.
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: Icelander]
#13991672 - 02/19/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: unsuccessful is right.
LOL, at least I'm starting to find it funny now. Sorry.
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Re: Do you think that one faulty idea or aspect of an argument invalidates it entirely? [Re: amuzakat]
#13992333 - 02/19/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: unsuccessful is right.
LOL, at least I'm starting to find it funny now. Sorry.
I don't think you should apologise. It was a light hearted post, I understood it.
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