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JesusGoneRogue


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The Prison System is so Fucked.
#13989776 - 02/19/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i'm watching lockdown on nat geo. and all i can do is at both the inmates, and how they are treated. hatred will only breed more hatred.
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yup. send a drug addict to jail, now that drug addict has it on his record, so he cant get a job when he comes out. so some guy in jail teaches him how to steal cars, sell drugs, launder money etc.
the problem just gets worse and worse, jail is almost like a training camp for criminals
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: realfuzzhead]
#13989813 - 02/19/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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exactly.
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and we've built so many fucking prisons in the last two decades to house non violent drug offenders, it costs just as much (if not insanely more) to run a prison then it does a community college, highschool etc.
we are litterally uninvesting in a positive future for our kids, and heavily investing in breeding better criminals
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: realfuzzhead]
#13989844 - 02/19/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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it's sad aint it. not sure if this is correct, but i remeber hearing somewhere that the U.S. houses more prisoners than any other country.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: Devlish2]
#13989866 - 02/19/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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90% of the prison guards should be charged with accessory to rape
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: Devlish2]
#13989876 - 02/19/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks for backing up my claim. and that is just ridiculous. really sheds some light on what the u.s. is slowly becoming.
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U.S. houses more inmates than the top 35 European countries combined. Somethings needs to change.
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look at Japan they are just as bad as us they put like no one in jail and if ur underage and kill someone u get like no jail time
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: demonofchaos]
#13990025 - 02/19/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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U.S.A has 5% worlds population but 25% of its inmates
land of the free... ?
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: realfuzzhead]
#13990074 - 02/19/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The US prison system, hell the whole legal system, is falling (fell?) apart.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: gzuf] 1
#13990179 - 02/19/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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this thread would have been alot better without system of a down.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: realfuzzhead]
#13990227 - 02/19/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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realfuzzhead said: U.S.A has 5% worlds population but 25% of its inmates
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: realfuzzhead]
#13990342 - 02/19/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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realfuzzhead said: yup. send a drug addict to jail, now that drug addict has it on his record, so he cant get a job when he comes out. so some guy in jail teaches him how to steal cars, sell drugs, launder money etc.
the problem just gets worse and worse, jail is almost like a training camp for criminals
That's the goal...
This guarantees more prisoners profit for the prison industrial complex. Sick fucks, anything for the all mighty dollar.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: mycofanatic]
#13990360 - 02/19/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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realfuzzhead said: yup. send a drug addict to jail, now that drug addict has it on his record, so he cant get a job when he comes out. so some guy in jail teaches him how to steal cars, sell drugs, launder money etc.
the problem just gets worse and worse, jail is almost like a training camp for criminals
That's the goal...
This guarantees more prisoners profit for the prison industrial complex. Sick fucks, anything for the all mighty dollar.
Greed, the root of all evil. People don't do shit for themselves and/or other people, they do things for MONEY. Doctors, lawyers, politicians, policemen, musicians, ect. It fucks everything up. Most don't have the right intentions.
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It's so fucked that we actually have a semi-privatized, profit-based prison system. There are no incentives to reduce recidivism, and the public doesn't care because they're "bad guys" and deserve whatever they get. The strongest union in California is not the teachers' union or the Teamsters or anything like that: It's the prison guard union. They lobby for more and more "tough on crime" laws that will ensure more and more people get locked up each year. A lot of countries condemn us for continuing to have the death penalty, but if you ask me, the death penalty is fairly minor compared to the condition of our prisons. I am certain history will not be kind to us about it.
I'll let these guys have the last word:
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More laws (less freedoms) that are being passed is leading up to socialism. Within 20 years you will see the military walking down the street.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: dshow]
#13990394 - 02/19/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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dshow said: More laws (less freedoms) that are being passed is leading up to socialism. Within 20 years you will see the military walking down the street.
It's kind of a sick joke to say it's "leading up to socialism" when China currently has a lower incarceration rate than us.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: Silversoul]
#13990434 - 02/19/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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glad to see other shroomerites agree with me on the subject.
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Man, the way they treat those dudes on lockdown isn't that bad. There are lots of other places where those fuckers are seriously deranged.
A lot of the guards at the jail i got locked up in really thought of us as animals. This one douche would go around with his keys hanging from his baton or something striking each one of our windows to wake us up at like 5am.
If you tried talking to them they would only give you a negative response, even for legitimate things. There was also this one bitch dyke guard that supposedly didn't like whistling, not even a song. She would put us on lockdown for 24-48 hours if someone whistled. And of course there was the idiot that whistled in her face.
jail sucks.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: thoughts]
#13990450 - 02/19/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i'm sure the staff straighten up their act while on camera.
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Pretty hard not to.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: The_Ghost]
#13990457 - 02/19/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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hah yeah guess so huh
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: Silversoul]
#13990486 - 02/19/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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dshow said: More laws (less freedoms) that are being passed is leading up to socialism. Within 20 years you will see the military walking down the street.
It's kind of a sick joke to say it's "leading up to socialism" when China currently has a lower incarceration rate than us.
Someones been watching too much fox 'news.' This is happening as a result of capitalism run amok, NOT Socialism.
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yeah nearly no one wants to do anything unless they "get something" out of it (mainly paper with dead people printed on it)
im in a&p 1 right now and people in the class were talking saying, "yeah only two years of school and i can get paid and 2 more on top of that and ill get paid a shit load more, i cant wait to be a nurse..." never once did they talk about helping people. or anything positive, just bs
i left their lab table i couldn't stand their niggness anymore
and japan has way less people in jail b/c their society is totttallly different people will refuse an offer if its too generous and over here they just scam you
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Someones been watching too much fox 'news.' This is happening as a result of capitalism run amok, NOT Socialism.
leading up means like heading that direction. changing into. going towards that type of government. Notice that i didnt say it was because of socialism like your saying that i did. You need to read, comprehend, and then come up with a good argument instead of quoting me wrong.
And guess what capitalism running amok leads to? fascism, socialism, or communism. I picked the middle. Fascism is what its looking like right now.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: dshow]
#13990719 - 02/19/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The jails have everything to do with the people you elect, not so much capitalism. The government is so huge now, jails are just another way of control.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: dshow]
#13991485 - 02/19/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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We are seeing the continuous privatization of prisons, and socialism is an economic theory espousing public control and more equitable distribution of resources. So, how is this leading to socialism? Maybe I'm using too literal a definition here...?
A for profit prison industry has no incentive to rehabilitate anybody. In fact, the more criminals there are, the more profit they will reap. And they use those huge profits to buy our politicians and guarantee a future revenue stream (ie. mandatory minimums and increased sentences).
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: mycofanatic]
#13992054 - 02/19/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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We are seeing the continuous privatization of prisons, and socialism is an economic theory espousing public control and more equitable distribution of resources. So, how is this leading to socialism? Maybe I'm using too literal a definition here...?
You said it yourself, socialism is public control. Prisons are public control. What good would it do to large corporations who want the money from people but couldnt get it from prisoners? Prisoners dont make a profit, thus cant spend their money on the large corporations.
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A for profit prison industry has no incentive to rehabilitate anybody. In fact, the more criminals there are, the more profit they will reap. And they use those huge profits to buy our politicians and guarantee a future revenue stream (ie. mandatory minimums and increased sentences).
They have tons of money elsewhere, they dont need to use "prison money" to pay off politicians.
I was just saying what our government is leaning towards. Yea capitalism plays a part, i dont disagree with you on that, but our government is responsible for far worse.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: dshow]
#13992458 - 02/19/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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They don't get money from the actual prisoners per se, but they make tons of cash from there being so many prisoners.
I think we essentially agree here... less liberties = I just think what we're facing is the fascist creep, not socialism.
But I've enjoyed our dialogue tonight dshow, That's what I love about the Shroomery... you can have intelligent discussions on virtually any topic!
Lets just end the drug war and stop arresting and incarcerating non violent drug offenders. That's the real issue here!
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: mycofanatic]
#13992680 - 02/19/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycofanatic said: They don't get money from the actual prisoners per se, but they make tons of cash from there being so many prisoners.
I think we essentially agree here... less liberties = I just think what we're facing is the fascist creep, not socialism.
But I've enjoyed our dialogue tonight dshow, That's what I love about the Shroomery... you can have intelligent discussions on virtually any topic!
Lets just end the drug war and stop arresting and incarcerating non violent drug offenders. That's the real issue here!
end the drug war. thats the objective.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: mycofanatic]
#13992872 - 02/19/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycofanatic said: They don't get money from the actual prisoners per se, but they make tons of cash from there being so many prisoners.
I think we essentially agree here... less liberties = I just think what we're facing is the fascist creep, not socialism.
But I've enjoyed our dialogue tonight dshow, That's what I love about the Shroomery... you can have intelligent discussions on virtually any topic!
Lets just end the drug war and stop arresting and incarcerating non violent drug offenders. That's the real issue here!
And yet prisons are a huge net drain on the economy.
Arresting and jailing people who then can't work and don't go on to work any longer; having a bunch of people work the service industry of watching other people be jailed, maintaining the jails and grounds, etc.
All of the money that goes in to jailing people, and the money that is lost by those same people not being able to contribute to the economy (non-violent drug offenses) is one of the many variables that is killing America right now.
And I am sure happy to see it go. I hope a new government isn't established in its place.
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: Humility]
#14005999 - 02/22/11 05:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Check this out. This judge got sentenced to 12 years for locking up kids for profit. Some things just shouldn't be run for profit!!!
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: mycofanatic]
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dshow said: More laws (less freedoms) that are being passed is leading up to socialism. Within 20 years you will see the military walking down the street.
It's kind of a sick joke to say it's "leading up to socialism" when China currently has a lower incarceration rate than us.
Someones been watching too much fox 'news.' This is happening as a result of capitalism run amok, NOT Socialism.
I guess you guys dont realize that china's lower incarceration rate is based on non reporting as well as the fear of government by the populace, in china they imprison you for being part of a religious group, drugs can mean the death penalty, they dont count dead people as being imprisoned
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-05/world/asia.drug.offence.penalties_1_penalty-soft-drugs-illegal-drugs?_s=PM:WORLD
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: mycofanatic]
#14006022 - 02/22/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dont see any gang armies breaking anyone out, anytime soon..
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: mycofanatic]
#14006028 - 02/22/11 06:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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A for profit prison industry has no incentive to rehabilitate anybody. In fact, the more criminals there are, the more profit they will reap.
is a publicly funded system is any different?
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: orison]
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Re: The Prison System is so Fucked. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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A for profit prison industry has no incentive to rehabilitate anybody. In fact, the more criminals there are, the more profit they will reap.
is a publicly funded system is any different?
Sorry for the delayed response... long day @ work then happy hour 
You make a good point Pris, but I do think there is a difference. The publicly funded system will incarcerate the dangerous classes, lower classes, and any group deemed a threat to the accepted order while a for profit system will seek to imprison everybody. Bringing in the greed factor undoubtedly brings out the worst in human beings.
However, in the end the difference is marginal and both create the same result.
My understanding is that where the poverty rates go... the crime rates will follow. We are not serious about the crime problem in this country until we get serious about poverty and the economics of impoverishment. Imagine a world where everyone had a reasonable standard of living. Do you think the rates of theft, robbery and larceny would remain unchanged? I doubt it....
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