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Midnight_Toker
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Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban
#13989211 - 02/19/11 09:38 AM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=27733469
The federal government is proposing to ground "pyschonauts" from taking any more psychedelic trips on salvia divinorum.
Health Canada has posted notice of its intention to ban the potent hallucinogenic herb and its active ingredient, salvinorin A.
It is proposing to add both to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, making it illegal to produce, possess, traffic, import or export the substances.
The notice, posted Feb. 4 on the Canada Gazette, gives stakeholders 30 days in which to comment.
Currently, salvia — also known as magic mint and diviner's sage — is considered a natural health product. As such, it is supposedly illegal to sell it without authorization from Health Canada.
Health Canada has given no such authorization but the agency appears to have done little to enforce its regulations.
Salvia is readily available at head shops across the country and through the Internet, touted as a perfectly legal hallucinogen. As recently as last fall, head shops within a stone's throw of Parliament Hill were openly selling vials of salvia extract for $20 to $80 per gram, depending on the potency.
Users of salvia have sometimes referred to themselves as psychonauts on YouTube videos of their trips.
Police have long complained they're powerless to halt the sale of salvia, which has been known to produce some adverse reactions, including one case reported by Health Canada in 2006 in which an incoherent, suicidal teenage boy threatened to kill police officers.
Police have no jurisdiction to enforce natural health product regulations.
Effects similar to LSD
Adding salvia divinorum and salvinorin A to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act would finally "enable law enforcement agencies to take action against suspected illegal activities involving these substances," Health Canada says in the notice.
It adds that salvia has been "reported to be one of the most prevalent herbal products used as an alternative to illicit drugs."
The Canadian Alcohol and Drug Use Monitoring Survey in 2009 found 7.3 per cent of youths aged 15-24 reported having used salvia at least once.
Because the effects of salvia are similar to those of LSD and other controlled hallucinogenic drugs, "Health Canada is concerned that the ready availability and use of S. divinorum poses a risk to the health and safety of Canadians, particularly youth," the notice says.
Other countries, including Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Italy, Spain and Sweden, have already regulated or banned salvia, as have some dozen states in the U.S.
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EvilMushroom666
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: Midnight_Toker] 1
#13989275 - 02/19/11 10:00 AM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Heffy
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: EvilMushroom666] 1
#13989314 - 02/19/11 10:14 AM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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We need to get rid of Stephen Harper South Park style Set that idiot adrift.
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: Heffy]
#13989357 - 02/19/11 10:34 AM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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I am going to be so mad if this goes through before I have a chance to get a live plant.
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Cyclohexylamine
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: Hemlock]
#13989447 - 02/19/11 11:09 AM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Are you fucking kidding me?
Seriously? I guess its time to stock up 
If I order in the mail do you think there is a chance they will seize it because its before the ban?
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Darklight203
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#13989479 - 02/19/11 11:18 AM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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"including one case reported by Health Canada in 2006 in which an incoherent, suicidal teenage boy threatened to kill police officers." Amazing evidence.
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Cyclohexylamine
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: Darklight203]
#13989504 - 02/19/11 11:25 AM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
Darklight203 said: "including one case reported by Health Canada in 2006 in which an incoherent, suicidal teenage boy threatened to kill police officers." Amazing evidence. 
But of course alcohol which has not only made countless people threaten others but also kill them, is perfectly safe and OK.
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#13989619 - 02/19/11 11:49 AM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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"It adds that salvia has been "reported to be one of the most prevalent herbal products used as an alternative to illicit drugs.""
Um....what? lol "I can't smoke my marijuana anymore! I guess I'll just smoke salvia when I have trouble eating or sleeping!"
God, do people in charge actually think? I think they're manatees with idea-balls, it would make more sense
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: PNW FunGuy] 1
#13989805 - 02/19/11 12:29 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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PNW FunGuy said: "It adds that salvia has been "reported to be one of the most prevalent herbal products used as an alternative to illicit drugs.""
Um....what? lol "I can't smoke my marijuana anymore! I guess I'll just smoke salvia when I have trouble eating or sleeping!"
God, do people in charge actually think? I think they're manatees with idea-balls, it would make more sense
Ever talked to a non-drug user about drugs? They think the craziest things. I still don't get how someone can be an expert on a subject when they haven't even experienced it lol
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
#13989851 - 02/19/11 12:41 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Yeah that would be like a straight edge person calling them self a wine conoiseur.
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5-HT2A

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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: BobFromReboot]
#13990066 - 02/19/11 01:36 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Because the effects of salvia are similar to those of LSD and other controlled hallucinogenic drugs, "Health Canada is concerned that the ready availability and use of S. divinorum poses a risk to the health and safety of Canadians, particularly youth," the notice says.
Based on little to no evidence.
AND IT'S NOTHING LIKE LSD!
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frostz
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: 5-HT2A]
#13990593 - 02/19/11 03:37 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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BULL-FUCKING-SHIT. WHY...?
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: frostz]
#13990625 - 02/19/11 03:42 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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figures they'd ban jokes before ciggerettes
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: Konyap]
#13991090 - 02/19/11 05:15 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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An incoherant kid threatening police officers. Are they trying to imply that he was high on salvia? Cuz everytime I have smoked Salvia it really only hits super hard for a few minuates and then fades rapidly. It is also one of those incapacitating type of drugs. I don't see the connection to this kids threat on the police.
And affects similiar to LSD? Well the duration of the two are way different. Not to mention people can usually function on LSD.
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: demon66]
#13991099 - 02/19/11 05:18 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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fucking kids video taping tthe shit and posting it on youtube doesnt help ><
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: littleton]
#13991324 - 02/19/11 06:00 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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salvia is like sooo 2007. Kids don't give a shit about it anymore, I don't know why they are so rushed to ban it. Looks like I gotta grab a cutting before the banhammer strikes
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: WingedWatcher]
#13991696 - 02/19/11 07:13 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Congradulations Harper you are about to create yet another way for the underground to make more money...
Insanity is defined by trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
The people in power in this country are insane.
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: bcboy]
#13991925 - 02/19/11 08:04 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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I am not even that big of a salvia fan but I don't see why ban it at all. At least give us a reason? A kid talking shit to an officer shouldn't be grounds for ban of the plant. That is lame ass shit. It just made me laugh very uncontrollably but I don't see how it can cause a person to do harm since all you can basically do is trip hard for like 5-15 mins. They just gotta try their best to take away any form of entertainment don't they..
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: frostz]
#13992073 - 02/19/11 08:27 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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"t adds that salvia has been "reported to be one of the most prevalent herbal products used as an alternative to illicit drugs."
Bullshit. There aren't many other substances like it.
dding salvia divinorum and salvinorin A to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act would finally "enable law enforcement agencies to take action against suspected illegal activities involving these substances," Health Canada says in the notice."
What illegal activities would relate to Salvia?
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Heffy
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Re: Canada - Hallucinogenic salvia targeted for ban [Re: Steve]
#13992726 - 02/19/11 10:13 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
What illegal activities would relate to Salvia?
Nothing now, but just think of the possibilities.
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