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Check this study out.
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Colorectal cancer is the third most common cancer and the third leading cause of cancer-related mortality in both men and women in the United States. Over the past decade, colorectal cancer incidence and mortality rates have decreased in all populations. Until age 50, men and women have similar incidence and mortality rates; after age 50, men are more vulnerable.
http://www.cancer.gov/aboutnci/servingpeople/snapshots/colorectal.pdf
http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/med/2006-0801-215153/Peeters_05_MeatFishandColorectalCancerRiskTheEuropean.pdf
Meat, Fish, and Colorectal Cancer Risk: The European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition
Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Vol. 97, No. 12, June 15, 2005
Current evidence suggests that high red meat intake is associated with increased colorectal cancer risk. High fish intake may be associated with a decreased risk, but the existing evidence is less convincing.
Methods: We prospectively followed 478 040 men and women from 10 European countries who were free of cancer at enrollment between 1992 and 1998. Information on diet and lifestyle was collected at baseline. After a mean follow-up of 4.8 years, 1329 incident colorectal cancers were documented. We examined the relationship between intakes of red and processed meat, poultry, and fish and colorectal cancer risk using a proportional hazards model adjusted for age, sex, energy (nonfat and fat sources), height, weight, work related physical activity, smoking status, dietary fiber and folate, and alcohol consumption, stratifi ed by center. A calibration substudy based on 36 994 subjects was used to correct hazard ratios (HRs) and 95% confi dence intervals (CIs) for diet measurement errors. All statistical tests were two-sided. Results: Colorectal cancer risk was positively associated with intake of red and processed meat (highest [>160 g/day] versus lowest [<20 g/day] intake, HR = 1.35, 95% CI = 0.96 to 1.88; P trend =.03) and inversely associated with intake of fi sh (>80 g/day versus <10 g/day, HR = 0.69, 95 % CI = 0.54 to 0.88; P trend <.001), but was not related to poultry intake. Correcting for measurement error strengthened the associations between colorectal cancer and red and processed meat intake (per 100-g increase HR = 1.25, 95% CI =1.09 to 1.41, P trend = .001 and HR = 1.55, 95% CI = 1.19 to 2.02, P trend = .001 before and after calibration, respectively) and for fi sh (per 100 g increase HR = 0.70, 95% CI = 0.57 to 0.87, P trend <.001 and HR = 0.46, 95% CI = 0.27 to 0.77, P trend = .003; before and after correction, respectively). In this study population, the absolute risk of development of colorectal cancer within 10 years for a study subject aged 50 years was 1.71% for the highest category of red and processed meat intake and 1.28% for the lowest category of intake and was 1.86% for subjects in the lowest category of fi sh intake and 1.28% for subjects in the highest category of fi sh intake.
Conclusions: Our data confirms that colorectal cancer risk is positively associated with high consumption of red and processed meat and support an inverse association with fi sh intake. [J Natl Cancer Inst 2005;97:906–16]
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I usually atleast get one interested soul.....
Now what I am going to eat for lunch????
To bad, I love the taste of barbecue souls...
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13992058 - 02/19/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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studies like this are worthless
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13993403 - 02/20/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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you deal with it
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: owls]
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I'm certainly interested. I tend to avoid non-organic red meat since it makes me sluggish as hell after I eat it compared to eating properly raised cows, which give an amazing sexual/mental stimulation after ingestion.
Isn't eating too much fish dangerous though? I've read something on the accumulation of PCB's and other toxins that easily get transferred on to us when we consume the fish. Do you know anything about this?
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: MoxyOx]
#13995751 - 02/20/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioaccumulation
Read up on this, to get an understanding of chemicals.
Generally a rule of thumb is the bigger the animal, the more chemicals it will have, per ounce of meat.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: owls]
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Owls has a big brain put in parking mode all the time and generally uses his trigeminal nerve for performing complex tasks such as poasting. Also he can't see this since he is insecure...
Interesting study, but I don't really think it depends on the type of meat as much as it does on the way it is cooked. Red meat is generally more likely to be cooked on and open flame and this process forms carcinogens, fish on the other hand...I dunno...how else does one even ingest fish outside of tuna salads ? Also oceanic fish has a lot of mercury in it. You're pretty much fucked if you eat it to much, that's an irony of wanting to stay healthy, or nature's way of telling you to stop being a pussy.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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13.step said: Owls has a big brain put in parking mode all the time and generally uses his trigeminal nerve for performing complex tasks such as poasting. Also he can't see this since he is insecure...
Yeah yeah.
Interesting study, but I don't really think it depends on the type of meat as much as it does on the way it is cooked.
Sounds great. Feels good, but there isn't any proof you have provided to back this up. Also, red meat, particularly in Europe where the study takes place usually is not BBQ'd. So there is no strong relevance to what you said, particularly because you didn't provide much evidence.
Red meat is generally more likely to be cooked on and open flame and this process forms carcinogens, fish on the other hand...I dunno...how else does one even ingest fish outside of tuna salads ? Also oceanic fish has a lot of mercury in it. You're pretty much fucked if you eat it to much,
i disagree. However, there is mercury in fish generally more so than not. Nevertheless, its usually only very predominant in deep sea fish that are carnivores, particularly tuna, swordfish, king fish, etc.......
that's an irony of wanting to stay healthy, or nature's way of telling you to stop being a pussy.


There is alot of mercury in the ocean because we put it there, not nature.
Actually its called bioaccumulation. Read up on it.
Also, i bet you probally didn't know this but many pesticides we use contain heavy metals like lead and mercury. These accumulate heavily in beef as well.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Oh come on mate, get a sense of humor, I'm not to be taken that seriously.
And get your head out of that special place, how the fuck do you think we consume red meat over here? Do you think we make shakes out of it? WTF, bbq's is suddenly something only americans (canadians) do? Your ignorance is funny...
Here is proof of what I was saying, now what?
And it is natures way of telling health nuts they are pussies because bioaccumulation is a natural phenomenon, all fish have mercury in them and you have a 1 in 4 chance to choose the kind that will actually give you mercury poisoning (proof)
And we didn't put mercury in the oceans and streams, it, uhhh, just kinda got there, when we where looking the other way.
Come one mate, let's not start shit in here, I was just stating my opinion, can we keep it respectful (excepting owls of course )
And please be sure to make a post absolutely perfect before facepalming somebody or else it might backfire, just a friendly reminder.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I usually atleast get one interested soul.....
Now what I am going to eat for lunch????
To bad, I love the taste of barbecue souls...
wait, you mean processed food is bad for you, no wai! brb, going to eat some delicious barbecue fish souls to lower my cancer risk
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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13.step said: Oh come on mate, get a sense of humor, I'm not to be taken that seriously.
And get your head out of that special place, how the fuck do you think we consume red meat over here? Do you think we make shakes out of it? WTF, bbq's is suddenly something only americans (canadians) do? Your ignorance is funny...
Here is proof of what I was saying, now what?
And it is natures way of telling health nuts they are pussies because bioaccumulation is a natural phenomenon, all fish have mercury in them and you have a 1 in 4 chance to choose the kind that will actually give you mercury poisoning (proof)
Maybe I would take you more seriously if your didn't call people who think fish is healthier than red meat, 'health nut' pussies????
And if you didn't think that nature is trying to show people they are pussies through bioaccumulation????
And we didn't put mercury in the oceans and streams, it, uhhh, just kinda got there, when we where looking the other way.
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Come one mate, let's not start shit in here, I was just stating my opinion, can we keep it respectful (excepting owls of course )
I wish I could take you shit seriously, but you failed the moment you called me a health nut pussy.....
And please be sure to make a post absolutely perfect before facepalming somebody or else it might backfire, just a friendly reminder.
Your lucky I didn't insult you, just a friendly reminder.
Now to the actual evidence!!!
http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/3/515.abstract
There is more studies than you can count out there on this subject. I suggest you do an overview, as there are multiple theories why red meat is linked to colon cancer.
Got it, pussy?
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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What's it to you if I am right or wrong? Why the fuck can't you keep the discussion civil? Are we still talking about the facts or about how hurt your butt has gotten.
You should have insulted me right away so I would've known what I am dealing with and spared me the attempt at an actual conversation.
OK, let's keep this brief: 1) Learn to fucking quote intelligibly 2) Be a man or STFU about insulting you pussy 3) That link doesn't prove nor disprove anything, it just states a fact, comprehension fail 4) You suck 5) Your mother sucks 6) If you had a father I'm sure he would've sucked too 7) You're one of 'em health nuts I called a pussy aren't you, that where the butthurt comes from?
Ok that's pretty much it, let's take it to the OTD if you want to have an insult match, I don't think this is the forum for these sorts of things.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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13.step said: What's it to you if I am right or wrong? Why the fuck can't you keep the discussion civil? Are we still talking about the facts or about how hurt your butt has gotten.
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13.Step Says You're pretty much fucked if you eat it to much, that's an irony of wanting to stay healthy, or nature's way of telling you to stop being a pussy.

Your coming close to being classified an imbecil, not yet.
Why don't you take your inflammatory remarks to the OTD, where they belong?
i bring research, you bring "its natures way of telling people to stop being pussies."
This is why i am pissed, but to you why does it matter. You obviosly have a huge double standard.
if you insult me i am supposed to 'be a man' but now since i gave you a taste of your own imbecil style post, you call me out to an insult fest at the OTD?
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I am an idiot not an imbecile please be careful , and mate read harder, I never insulted you, it was just a joke you took personally, I have no idea who you are so it wasn't aimed at you.
And you told me I was lucky you didn't insult me,and then insulted me. I think it is you, mon ami, who wanted an insult-fest.
And I believe if you count them I have posted more of these sources you seem to value so much.
So your point is?
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14023348 - 02/24/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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solution = eat more owls
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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13.step said: I am an idiot not an imbecile please be careful , and mate read harder, I never insulted you, it was just a joke you took personally, I have no idea who you are so it wasn't aimed at you.
How is it a joke? i don't see the joke?
And you told me I was lucky you didn't insult me,and then insulted me. I think it is you, mon ami, who wanted an insult-fest.
And I believe if you count them I have posted more of these sources you seem to value so much.
So your point is?
Well you might want to clear up when your insinuating derogatory remarks.
if you haven't noticed, this place has a history of flames surrounding this topic. i have argued insecently and been insulted over it many a time.
i assume you are being honest but i have my doubts, i think the sentiment you have towards my POV on nutrition is not at all friendly - probally because you are a meat eater, trying to feel comfortable with your actions even though this study clearly shows that you ought to rethink your dietary choices.
My point is, be a man, so i don't have to be careful then.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: sysD]
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Hey, I see why you got so upset, sorry man, it really wasn't directed at you, I am sorry if you got upset because it came over like that.
I was just trying to humorously state my point of view. The way I saw this was a relaxed topic from a guy that found an interesting study and wanted to share it. Little did I know I was walking into the lions den...
What topic are you talking about, red meat increasing cancer risk while fish might decrease it? This seems more and more like a vegan-propaganda topic, a land-mine of sorts that I just stumbled across. Are you a vegetarian and are trying to justify your choice to others with this feeble study? Don't get me started if so. Hey, if it's your choice I respect that, it's not my business if you choose not to eat meat, but don't talk bullshit if you do.(based on an assumption, if it ain't true no harm)
And I am a man, want to see ?
totally unrelated:
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sysD said: solution = eat more owls
Fixed, would he be considered red meat then?
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it didn't need fixing
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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AlphaFalfa said: Colorectal cancer is the third most common cancer and the third leading cause of cancer-related mortality in both men and women in the United States. Over the past decade, colorectal cancer incidence and mortality rates have decreased in all populations. Until age 50, men and women have similar incidence and mortality rates; after age 50, men are more vulnerable.
http://www.cancer.gov/aboutnci/servingpeople/snapshots/colorectal.pdf
http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/med/2006-0801-215153/Peeters_05_MeatFishandColorectalCancerRiskTheEuropean.pdf
Meat, Fish, and Colorectal Cancer Risk: The European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition
Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Vol. 97, No. 12, June 15, 2005
Current evidence suggests that high red meat intake is associated with increased colorectal cancer risk. High fish intake may be associated with a decreased risk, but the existing evidence is less convincing.
Methods: We prospectively followed 478 040 men and women from 10 European countries who were free of cancer at enrollment between 1992 and 1998. Information on diet and lifestyle was collected at baseline. After a mean follow-up of 4.8 years, 1329 incident colorectal cancers were documented. We examined the relationship between intakes of red and processed meat, poultry, and fish and colorectal cancer risk using a proportional hazards model adjusted for age, sex, energy (nonfat and fat sources), height, weight, work related physical activity, smoking status, dietary fiber and folate, and alcohol consumption, stratifi ed by center. A calibration substudy based on 36 994 subjects was used to correct hazard ratios (HRs) and 95% confi dence intervals (CIs) for diet measurement errors. All statistical tests were two-sided. Results: Colorectal cancer risk was positively associated with intake of red and processed meat (highest [>160 g/day] versus lowest [<20 g/day] intake, HR = 1.35, 95% CI = 0.96 to 1.88; P trend =.03) and inversely associated with intake of fi sh (>80 g/day versus <10 g/day, HR = 0.69, 95 % CI = 0.54 to 0.88; P trend <.001), but was not related to poultry intake. Correcting for measurement error strengthened the associations between colorectal cancer and red and processed meat intake (per 100-g increase HR = 1.25, 95% CI =1.09 to 1.41, P trend = .001 and HR = 1.55, 95% CI = 1.19 to 2.02, P trend = .001 before and after calibration, respectively) and for fi sh (per 100 g increase HR = 0.70, 95% CI = 0.57 to 0.87, P trend <.001 and HR = 0.46, 95% CI = 0.27 to 0.77, P trend = .003; before and after correction, respectively). In this study population, the absolute risk of development of colorectal cancer within 10 years for a study subject aged 50 years was 1.71% for the highest category of red and processed meat intake and 1.28% for the lowest category of intake and was 1.86% for subjects in the lowest category of fi sh intake and 1.28% for subjects in the highest category of fi sh intake.
Conclusions: Our data confirms that colorectal cancer risk is positively associated with high consumption of red and processed meat and support an inverse association with fi sh intake. [J Natl Cancer Inst 2005;97:906–16]
Did you read this study?
Well, this wasn't a lions den at all. How would you react to someone telling you you are a pussy for being a health nut and not eating meat?
I don't think your being very genuine.
It seems like you think you can push the lines.
Once again, what does lions den mean????
Are you insinuating that I caused this problem and that it has nothing to do with your unsupported and insulting comment?
Look man, don't say things without explaining them, especially when you are clearly implying a negative connotation to it.
Like I don't see how I could take - its natures way of telling health nuts to stop being pussies, lightly and jokingly.
What if I said colon cancer is natures way of telling people who eat meat to stop being insensitive ASSHOLES who eat their own kind?
I mean I fail to see why you think you can push lines, and others cannot.
Also, did you not read the study I posted on my first post?
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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What if I said colon cancer is natures way of telling people who eat meat to stop being insensitive ASSHOLES who eat their own kind?
It would be pretty funny unless you're being really serious about it. It isn't very funny because it implies that you think you are talking to cannibals, or you think that pigs ans sheep and cows are our own kind, in which case go right ahead but I am staying here, being an insensitive asshole. BTW - I don't really want to eat owls (it needed fixing) that was also a joke.
Let me be blunt, I had no idea you would be a health-nut(still don't have, you seem to think so and that's enough for me) Had I known I wouldn't have made that comment because it was just a joke and I didn't want to offend anybody.
Anyway, I read the study, it says that high consumption of read and processed meat has been positively associated with colon cancer. Nothing about vegetarianism or anything like that, and I had proof I quoted two articles.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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i've always have the vague long term goal of tasting the meat of every animal... owls arent the first thing that come to mind, but...yes... ill stop now.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: sysD]
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Owls...I don't think I can see them as something edible...they're just to fucking creepy...maybe when they're dead and bleeding they look more like food...
Anyway, I was referring to the user Owls, but that kinda plays into your "trying every kind of meat once" ambition, be sure you make it one of the last ones though...
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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lolz, i know you were referring to the user. i enjoy MIND GAMES
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: sysD]
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What if I said colon cancer is natures way of telling people who eat meat to stop being insensitive ASSHOLES who eat their own kind?
It would be pretty funny unless you're being really serious about it. It isn't very funny because it implies that you think you are talking to cannibals, or you think that pigs ans sheep and cows are our own kind, in which case go right ahead but I am staying here, being an insensitive asshole. BTW - I don't really want to eat owls (it needed fixing) that was also a joke.
You don't stop with your insults do you?
Let me be blunt, I had no idea you would be a health-nut(still don't have, you seem to think so and that's enough for me) Had I known I wouldn't have made that comment because it was just a joke and I didn't want to offend anybody.
i don't know, i can't trust you.
You might as well just not post where i post or maybe comment something relevant instead of saying potentially insulting things.
Anyway, I read the study, it says that high consumption of read and processed meat has been positively associated with colon cancer. Nothing about vegetarianism or anything like that, and I had proof I quoted two articles.
Show me where i was talking about vegetarianism?

Man this thread was a disgrace.
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i want to be a vegetarian one day, as long as i can accomplish that feat in a healthy manner.. which i should be able to
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: owls]
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I don't believe there is substantial evidence red meat causes cancer. They say everything causes cancer, swallowing saliva causes cancer.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Mate you're pissing me off...go fuck yourself you loser. You don't have anything else to do with your life other then "doubt" if a random retard really insulted you over the internet?
I said I'm sorry multiple times. And aren't you a vegetarian? WTF is this topic even about other then you getting butthurt? I thought it was about red meat causing colon cancer, but you don't seem to want to discuss that.
Are you owls puppet? What's it to you if I insult him? Look maybe you should stop posting till you get a grip on reality and on the subtler points of human communication. Also, fucking opt-out, I should've known.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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All this study shows is the people who thought it up are stupid/ignorant/misleading by grouping red and processed meats together. These are two very different things.
DUUUH STEAK = HOT DOG
Processed meat = the shits
Pastured raised meat = the shit
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Cannashroom said: All this study shows is the people who thought it up are stupid/ignorant/misleading by grouping red and processed meats together. These are two very different things.
DUUUH STEAK = HOT DOG
Processed meat = the shits
Pastured raised meat = the shit
There is an inverse association with fish and colon caner, which is the most important part of the study.
Also, I imagine the grouped those two together because people who eat red meat usually eat processed meat as well.
Who would've thought right?
People who eat red meat, tend to eat cold cuts.
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13.step said: Mate you're pissing me off...go fuck yourself you loser. You don't have anything else to do with your life other then "doubt" if a random retard really insulted you over the internet?
I said I'm sorry multiple times. And aren't you a vegetarian? WTF is this topic even about other then you getting butthurt? I thought it was about red meat causing colon cancer, but you don't seem to want to discuss that.
No, lets just dicuss how nature is fucking telling people to stop being pussies.
Are you mad?
Are you owls puppet? What's it to you if I insult him? Look maybe you should stop posting till you get a grip on reality and on the subtler points of human communication. Also, fucking opt-out, I should've known.
I didn't say anything about insulting owl you dirty fart.
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BTW - I don't really want to eat owls (it needed fixing) that was also a joke.
Its this sarcastic remark that implies I am to stupid to know when your majesty is joking around that boils my blood.
Is it my responsibility to know that you wern't calling me a health nut because I clearly don't eat meat?
Shucks, you didn't even fucking know what this thread was about anyways.
Vegetarianism?

You can't fucking read apparently, which usually helps in trying to get at the suttler points of human communication.

Your such a disgrace.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Its this sarcastic remark that implies I am to stupid to know when your majesty is joking around that boils my blood.
You are too stupid to get a joke period...because you are a health nut, all them proteins good for your brain boy.
Go get laid buddy and stop spewing your virginism over the internet...look back fagboy...tell me who didn't want to discuss the topic and got into a pointless conversation because they didn't want to maybe get insulted...fuck you, opt-out of life already you pussy.
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Cannashroom said: All this study shows is the people who thought it up are stupid/ignorant/misleading by grouping red and processed meats together. These are two very different things.
DUUUH STEAK = HOT DOG
Processed meat = the shits
Pastured raised meat = the shit
There is an inverse association with fish and colon caner, which is the most important part of the study.
Also, I imagine the grouped those two together because people who eat red meat usually eat processed meat as well.
Who would've thought right?
People who eat red meat, tend to eat cold cuts.
That is a ridiculous generalization man. Maybe in your world you see red meat and processed meat as one. I love red meat but rarely ever touch any processed meats (only naturally cured bacon/ham from my butcher). Maybe people do eat them together, but that doesn't mean they should be grouped for the study.
People like to smoke cigarettes when they drink alcohol, does that mean we need to group cigarettes and alcohol as one?
If you want to cite studies and talk about science, maybe learn something about proper experiment design first. You need to be able to actually read the study, and decide if it was properly constructed and legitimate.
Fish is healthy, and the omega-3s can help with prostate cancer, but so can grass fed meats.
I agree with OWLS, this study is worthless.
Fish is good, but so is healthy red meat, so w/e.
I would way rather eat pastured meat than farmed fish, so there's that too.
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Its this sarcastic remark that implies I am to stupid to know when your majesty is joking around that boils my blood.
You are too stupid to get a joke period...because you are a health nut, all them proteins good for your brain boy.
Go get laid buddy and stop spewing your virginism over the internet...look back fagboy...tell me who didn't want to discuss the topic and got into a pointless conversation because they didn't want to maybe get insulted...fuck you, opt-out of life already you pussy.

Compleltly miss major points in your ridiculousness.....

Eat shit and die.
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AlphaFalfa said:
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Cannashroom said: All this study shows is the people who thought it up are stupid/ignorant/misleading by grouping red and processed meats together. These are two very different things.
DUUUH STEAK = HOT DOG
Processed meat = the shits
Pastured raised meat = the shit
There is an inverse association with fish and colon caner, which is the most important part of the study.
Also, I imagine the grouped those two together because people who eat red meat usually eat processed meat as well.
Who would've thought right?
People who eat red meat, tend to eat cold cuts.
That is a ridiculous generalization man. Maybe in your world you see red meat and processed meat as one. I love red meat but rarely ever touch any processed meats (only naturally cured bacon/ham from my butcher). Maybe people do eat them together, but that doesn't mean they should be grouped for the study.
Why?
And no it isn't a ridiculous generailization. Its a very realistic generalization. I can't understand why you can't see that.
Maybe you just trying to justify your life through attacking such assumptions without research.
People like to smoke cigarettes when they drink alcohol, does that mean we need to group cigarettes and alcohol as one?
If you want to cite studies and talk about science, maybe learn something about proper experiment design first.

Your the one that obviously cannot see simple things. It isn't an overgeneralize to group these two products together. contrary to your own personal opinion, people who eat red meat generally eat processed meats.
I can't believe you can't even attest to that.
You need to be able to actually read the study, and decide if it was properly constructed and legitimate.
And your some authority over why it isn't a properly constructed study.
don't make me laugh.
the generalzation does make sense. As any red meat eater, they will mostly tell you that they eat processed meats as well.
Thats a joke.
Fish is healthy, and the omega-3s can help with prostate cancer, but so can grass fed meats.
I agree with OWLS, this study is worthless.

Fish is good, but so is healthy red meat, so w/e.
So w/e?

you can't even cite one study that directly shows healthy red meat exists.

I would way rather eat pastured meat than farmed fish, so there's that too.
I just stay with the multiple sources of wild fish, which are far more numerous than pasutured meat.
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Compleltly miss major points in your ridiculousness.....

Eat shit and die.
Shit is delicious bro.
Weak insult, you're a gay virgin.
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No literally.
Eat .
Not meat.
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Shit is delicious bro.
Weak insult, you're a gay virgin.
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http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/45#B4
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25
Check THESE studies out nigga.
As someone already said processed meat does not equate to raw, unprocessed meat. That is by far the largest variable that influenced the trend in that study, and it any credibility it had on that topic.
But yea, fish is good too. You're a land creature though, you should try eating more... land creatures.
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MoxyOx said: http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/45#B4
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25
Check THESE studies out nigga.
As someone already said processed meat does not equate to raw, unprocessed meat. That is by far the largest variable that influenced the trend in that study, and it any credibility it had on that topic.
It's impossible not to group those two. It is usually the case that people who choose to eat red meat, tend to also eat processed meats.
You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to credibility.
The studies you show don't even relate to this topic. Where is red meat even mentioned?
Unless you care to show me where the relevance is, I can't see any reason to jump to the conclusion that the study is irrelevant.
Clearly, many people who eat red meat, eat processed meats.
Does that mean that this study relates to people who don't eat processed meats but eat? Nop, but yes, most people who eat red meat, eat processed meats, this is obvious.
But yea, fish is good too. You're a land creature though, you should try eating more... land creatures.
Why am I a land creature? Last I checked, my hands and feet and brain make me perfectly adept to eating seafood.
Seafood would also be much easier and safer for us to eat because we wouldn't have to compete with predators for the seafood. So seafood makes most sense actually, particularly mollusks/seaweed/coastal fish.
Name one predator on the coast that could kill us while gathering clams/oysters/crab/seaweed and coral fish?
We seem way more adept to eating coastal seafood.
In a bit I will show you some other studies that don't group processed meats that show a positive association with cancers and red meat consumption.
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God damn I hate your retarded way of quoting and responding...you're not special...poast like normal folk.
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Yes, you need to add in some [ /quote]s to show where you respond.
Saying that people who eat red meat eat processed meat, doesn't make red meat unhealthy. You are having some serious logic issues.
I do agree on the seafood front however. There is evidence to suggest the first meat our primate ancestors ate was seafood collected from the coast.
This however doesn't meat eating meat is bad in any way.
Take a moment to think about this man, you are a mammal, so are cows, pigs, lambs, venison etc. You share a very, very, very similar metabolism (and required nutrients) as other mammals. It is then reasonable to conclude that everything you need to keep yourself healthy will be contained within animals (as the Inuit show). You must eat the nutrient dense organ meats though.
I don't think you realize just how nutrient and calorie dense healthy meat is.
If you live where I do (Montreal) there is no fresh local seafood, but tons of fresh local pig and cows.
It is more about living sustainable WITHIN your environment. If you live in a coastal area, eat all the fish you can get. If you live in the tropics you can eat fresh produce all year long. If you live in an area with a significant winter like me, YOU CAN'T. Without buying foods which have consumed lots of fossil fuels to make it to me, my choices are winter squash and local meat.
Once society collapses, good lucky eating fruits, veggies and fish for the rest of your life.
Take Cuba for example, they don't cut any grass. They have animals that graze the grass that they eat.
Instead, in our societies we pay people to cut and remove the grass when we could be raising healthy food for the masses.
Animals are also crucial to small diverse farms, they graze grass and return fertilizer. You are basing all this stuff off of these health studies, but you aren't taking into account other factors like where you live, and eating sustainably.
The oceans are being fished to depletion, I hope you like squid and meal worms.
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One more thing:
It is all about balance of the ecosystem, if we are being a cancer to the earth, those activities give us cancer (Oh the irony). Things harmful to the enviornment: Pollution, nuclear testing, mass monocrop agriculture (with herbicides/pesticides to make refined carbs and sugar to cause cancer), fertilizer run off.
This cancer epidemic reflects how we are acting as a cancer on the earth. Using up all the resources without regard to how we will survive later and poisoning ourselves as we proceed.
You are focusing way too much on the small things and not on the big picture of how you live your life overall in relation to your environment. If you respect the food you eat more, you will respect the environment and yourself more.
Lastly, for the meat thing: All the studies are done with meat, probably cooked too much. Raw meats have no carcinogenic potential (if they have not been eating toxic laden foods that is).
Cancer is a lifestyle disease, maybe red meat is associated with some of those lifestyles, it is not associated with cancer.
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It is all about balance of the ecosystem, if we are being a cancer to the earth, those activities give us cancer (Oh the irony). Things harmful to the enviornment: Pollution, nuclear testing, mass monocrop agriculture (with herbicides/pesticides to make refined carbs and sugar to cause cancer), fertilizer run off.
This cancer epidemic reflects how we are acting as a cancer on the earth. Using up all the resources without regard to how we will survive later and poisoning ourselves as we proceed.
You are focusing way too much on the small things and not on the big picture of how you live your life overall in relation to your environment. If you respect the food you eat more, you will respect the environment and yourself more.
Lastly, for the meat thing: All the studies are done with meat, probably cooked too much. Raw meats have no carcinogenic potential (if they have not been eating toxic laden foods that is).
Cancer is a lifestyle disease, maybe red meat is associated with some of those lifestyles, it is not associated with cancer.
Where is your proof?
I haven't once seen you try and prove with any reference outside of your own mind;
1. That pasturized meats are not correlated positively to cancer.
2. The it is actually over-cooked meat that causes cancer and not meat.
Your other points about cancer being a lifestyle, I agree, however, being more green with your food isn't necessarily ensuring that your not getting toxins in your food.
There are plenty of bioaccumulants in our water and air that accumulate in all meat, but mostly red meat.
I have seen studies that show that pesticides cause cancer, so it makes sense to eat pastured meats as long as pesticides are not being used in the hay.
There isn't conclusive evidence yet that overcooking is in fact what causes cancer in humans.
It might be true and there is good evidence to show that, however, Heterocyclic amines actually develop in meats, particularly red meats, the moment you cook them. Smoking is usually the only process that doesn't cause them to exist in meat.
You have to provide me with studies that show conclusively that this is the case otherwise, your talking out of your ass in my POV.
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thanks for the info man 

OOOOOOO NOOOB researcher got OWNED.
hahahahaha
The info?
Dude, your couldn't tell good info from a hole in your ass.
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Well you're a thick cunt aren't you? I posted a study that proved more conclusive than your study that barbecued meat is actually linked to cancer. It was just 2 pages ago, your highness will surely get of that high horse and look at it, right?
And a real question, are you a vegan? Or vegetarian? You sound like a food-terrorist from what I gather. Please answer this and don't start some unrelated bullshit.
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A big factor here is the Omega3/6 ratio. In grass fed meat it is the healthy 1-3:1, in fact many of the anti-cancerous benefits from fish come from the omega-3s, which are present in the grass fed meat (Can we say Owned again?)
Meat that is raised in an unhealthy manner will be unhealthy.
As for bioaccumulation, well you should be practicing regular detox techniques like sauna/yoga, chelation, clays etc.
I can list studies all day, but they don't prove shit. You are relying on these small details way too much rather than your overall lifestyle. Having a steak isn't going to give you cancer. But having an over-cooked factory farmed steak every day without exercise or detox might.
Do you think eating a perfectly healthy human would give you cancer (ethical questions aside)? It has everything you need to survive and if not contaminated nothing else. The same goes for the cows. It is only when the animal is unhealthy and getting cancer it will pass it on to you. This more about common sense and a knowledge of biochemistry than specific studies.
Sometimes, you need to use your own knowledge and critical thinking skills to look at the issue without relying so heavily on specific confirmation. Sometimes, you need to think for yourself.
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http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/3/515.abstract
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199012133232404
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.2910490408/abstract
As I said plenty of times, there is more than one variable that must be considered in linking red meat intake to cancer.
As I also said, I agree that HCA's are carcinogenic and increase cancer incidence.
However, I also said that they are other problems associated with red meat intake such as the higher accumulation of toxic chemicals/metals, higher fat percentages and increased endogenous production of NOC.
There also is not consistent evidence with cooking methods and hetero cyclic amines.
As seen here, this study suggest otherwise.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T1B-3W9KVPB-B&_user=10&_coverDate=02%2F27%2F1999&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1665512260&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=77a82ddcf33944461eb18e1662f1a6e0&searchtype=a

BTW since your probally to slow to understand, the first three links show other possible etimological factors involved in the increased risk of colorectal cancer and meat consumption.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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owls said: owned.
thanks for the info man 

OOOOOOO NOOOB researcher got OWNED.
hahahahaha
The info?
Dude, your couldn't tell good info from a hole in your ass.
why are you getting so heated over this mane? we're just trying to help. sometimes i can just feel or perceive what is worthy info and what is not, i guess i just have a special gift 
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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You still didn't answer the question.
Well of course there are other factors involved in cancer but the third study YOU quoted says exactly that over-cooked meat increases cancer risk.
And STFU already with your bioaccumulation bullshit, one of the few, if not the only kind of meat to actually cause poisoning due to bioaccumulation is tuna...so there goes your red-meat bioaccumulation theory down the drain.
From what I can see you hate red-meat and are a very frustrated little fellow...
Oh and there's another thing, diet, exercise, detox and all that rap, only decrease/increase risk of cancer, you can get cancer eating gods own personal diet, drinking john the baptists water and working out and detoxing with Jesus himself, it's just the funny way genetics work...
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said: http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/3/515.abstract
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199012133232404
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.2910490408/abstract
As I said plenty of times, there is more than one variable that must be considered in linking red meat intake to cancer.
As I also said, I agree that HCA's are carcinogenic and increase cancer incidence.
However, I also said that they are other problems associated with red meat intake such as the higher accumulation of toxic chemicals/metals, higher fat percentages and increased endogenous production of NOC.
There also is not consistent evidence with cooking methods and hetero cyclic amines.
As seen here, this study suggest otherwise.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T1B-3W9KVPB-B&_user=10&_coverDate=02%2F27%2F1999&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1665512260&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=77a82ddcf33944461eb18e1662f1a6e0&searchtype=a

BTW since your probally to slow to understand, the first three links show other possible etimological factors involved in the increased risk of colorectal cancer and meat consumption.
I am about to be hired as a researcher after graduating with honors in biochemistry, and you say I am too slow to understand the studies?
Those studies don't draw any solid conclusions, stop trying to cite studies because you don't understand how it works.
You can't just post studies and say they prove your point, you have to make a coherent argument and post them as proof, something you have failed to do.
Say I am too stupid to understand the studies, but that is what I am going to get paid for (along with doing actual lab work of course).
You're just getting too emotional and making ad homenin attacks on other posters, not helping your argument.
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AlphaFalfa said: http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/3/515.abstract
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199012133232404
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.2910490408/abstract
As I said plenty of times, there is more than one variable that must be considered in linking red meat intake to cancer.
As I also said, I agree that HCA's are carcinogenic and increase cancer incidence.
However, I also said that they are other problems associated with red meat intake such as the higher accumulation of toxic chemicals/metals, higher fat percentages and increased endogenous production of NOC.
There also is not consistent evidence with cooking methods and hetero cyclic amines.
As seen here, this study suggest otherwise.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T1B-3W9KVPB-B&_user=10&_coverDate=02%2F27%2F1999&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1665512260&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=77a82ddcf33944461eb18e1662f1a6e0&searchtype=a

BTW since your probally to slow to understand, the first three links show other possible etimological factors involved in the increased risk of colorectal cancer and meat consumption.
I am about to be hired as a researcher after graduating with honors in biochemistry, and you say I am too slow to understand the studies?
Those studies don't draw any solid conclusions, stop trying to cite studies because you don't understand how it works.
You can't just post studies and say they prove your point, you have to make a coherent argument and post them as proof, something you have failed to do.
Say I am too stupid to understand the studies, but that is what I am going to get paid for (along with doing actual lab work of course).
You're just getting too emotional and making ad homenin attacks on other posters, not helping your argument.
Wow you really are stupid.
You can't even understand how posting on this forum works.

i was talking to 13.step that imbecil called me a cunt.
And what makes you think i can believe you?
You can't even fucking site on bloody study, nor do you know what the fuck you are talking about come to think about it.
Still waiting on the studies there bud....
And yes, its much more complicated than hetero cyclic amines.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Hey...rate me if you don't like it...i have the decency to offer you this right...oh wait, you can't 
Are you a vegan/vegetarian/food terrorist? That might explain why you hide in this corner of the shroomery and are an incoherent ball of anger, and I called you a thick cunt.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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n a new study, researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) have found that eating processed meat, such as bacon, sausage or processed deli meats, was associated with a 42% higher risk of heart disease and a 19% higher risk of type 2 diabetes. In contrast, the researchers did not find any higher risk of heart disease or diabetes among individuals eating unprocessed red meat, such as from beef, pork, or lamb.
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The following is a quotation from USA Today.
06/22/2001 - Updated 05:18 PM ET
LYON, France (June 23) - Eating lots of preserved meats such as salami, bacon, cured ham and hot dogs could increase the risk of bowel cancer by 50 percent, early results of a major new study have suggested.
However, when it came to fresh red meat - beef, lamb, pork and veal - there seemed to be no link.
No matter what I post you will never change your mind. But you see when the researchers actually separate processed and red meats, the results are drastically different. I don't feel like searching pubmed for real abstracts atm (do that enough during the week).
I have spent the last 4 years studying biochemistry and cancer in university, and you claim I don't know what I am talking about. I work in a cancer research lab ffs, you're grasping at straws with your ad homenin attacks. I'm not posting here anymore, you're too fucking ignorant, brainwashed and stubborn to have an open mind.
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Hey don't leave...stay for the insults, he seems to like it, probably a big part of his limited human interaction...
Jkg, jkg alpha...you're just thick that's all...
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