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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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AlphaFalfa said: Colorectal cancer is the third most common cancer and the third leading cause of cancer-related mortality in both men and women in the United States. Over the past decade, colorectal cancer incidence and mortality rates have decreased in all populations. Until age 50, men and women have similar incidence and mortality rates; after age 50, men are more vulnerable.
http://www.cancer.gov/aboutnci/servingpeople/snapshots/colorectal.pdf
http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/med/2006-0801-215153/Peeters_05_MeatFishandColorectalCancerRiskTheEuropean.pdf
Meat, Fish, and Colorectal Cancer Risk: The European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition
Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Vol. 97, No. 12, June 15, 2005
Current evidence suggests that high red meat intake is associated with increased colorectal cancer risk. High fish intake may be associated with a decreased risk, but the existing evidence is less convincing.
Methods: We prospectively followed 478 040 men and women from 10 European countries who were free of cancer at enrollment between 1992 and 1998. Information on diet and lifestyle was collected at baseline. After a mean follow-up of 4.8 years, 1329 incident colorectal cancers were documented. We examined the relationship between intakes of red and processed meat, poultry, and fish and colorectal cancer risk using a proportional hazards model adjusted for age, sex, energy (nonfat and fat sources), height, weight, work related physical activity, smoking status, dietary fiber and folate, and alcohol consumption, stratifi ed by center. A calibration substudy based on 36 994 subjects was used to correct hazard ratios (HRs) and 95% confi dence intervals (CIs) for diet measurement errors. All statistical tests were two-sided. Results: Colorectal cancer risk was positively associated with intake of red and processed meat (highest [>160 g/day] versus lowest [<20 g/day] intake, HR = 1.35, 95% CI = 0.96 to 1.88; P trend =.03) and inversely associated with intake of fi sh (>80 g/day versus <10 g/day, HR = 0.69, 95 % CI = 0.54 to 0.88; P trend <.001), but was not related to poultry intake. Correcting for measurement error strengthened the associations between colorectal cancer and red and processed meat intake (per 100-g increase HR = 1.25, 95% CI =1.09 to 1.41, P trend = .001 and HR = 1.55, 95% CI = 1.19 to 2.02, P trend = .001 before and after calibration, respectively) and for fi sh (per 100 g increase HR = 0.70, 95% CI = 0.57 to 0.87, P trend <.001 and HR = 0.46, 95% CI = 0.27 to 0.77, P trend = .003; before and after correction, respectively). In this study population, the absolute risk of development of colorectal cancer within 10 years for a study subject aged 50 years was 1.71% for the highest category of red and processed meat intake and 1.28% for the lowest category of intake and was 1.86% for subjects in the lowest category of fi sh intake and 1.28% for subjects in the highest category of fi sh intake.
Conclusions: Our data confirms that colorectal cancer risk is positively associated with high consumption of red and processed meat and support an inverse association with fi sh intake. [J Natl Cancer Inst 2005;97:906–16]
Did you read this study?
Well, this wasn't a lions den at all. How would you react to someone telling you you are a pussy for being a health nut and not eating meat?
I don't think your being very genuine.
It seems like you think you can push the lines.
Once again, what does lions den mean????
Are you insinuating that I caused this problem and that it has nothing to do with your unsupported and insulting comment?
Look man, don't say things without explaining them, especially when you are clearly implying a negative connotation to it.
Like I don't see how I could take - its natures way of telling health nuts to stop being pussies, lightly and jokingly.
What if I said colon cancer is natures way of telling people who eat meat to stop being insensitive ASSHOLES who eat their own kind?
I mean I fail to see why you think you can push lines, and others cannot.
Also, did you not read the study I posted on my first post?
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14025770 - 02/25/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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What if I said colon cancer is natures way of telling people who eat meat to stop being insensitive ASSHOLES who eat their own kind?
It would be pretty funny unless you're being really serious about it. It isn't very funny because it implies that you think you are talking to cannibals, or you think that pigs ans sheep and cows are our own kind, in which case go right ahead but I am staying here, being an insensitive asshole. BTW - I don't really want to eat owls (it needed fixing) that was also a joke.
Let me be blunt, I had no idea you would be a health-nut(still don't have, you seem to think so and that's enough for me) Had I known I wouldn't have made that comment because it was just a joke and I didn't want to offend anybody.
Anyway, I read the study, it says that high consumption of read and processed meat has been positively associated with colon cancer. Nothing about vegetarianism or anything like that, and I had proof I quoted two articles.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14027092 - 02/25/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i've always have the vague long term goal of tasting the meat of every animal... owls arent the first thing that come to mind, but...yes... ill stop now.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: sysD]
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Owls...I don't think I can see them as something edible...they're just to fucking creepy...maybe when they're dead and bleeding they look more like food...
Anyway, I was referring to the user Owls, but that kinda plays into your "trying every kind of meat once" ambition, be sure you make it one of the last ones though...
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14029037 - 02/26/11 06:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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lolz, i know you were referring to the user. i enjoy MIND GAMES
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: sysD]
#14032440 - 02/26/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What if I said colon cancer is natures way of telling people who eat meat to stop being insensitive ASSHOLES who eat their own kind?
It would be pretty funny unless you're being really serious about it. It isn't very funny because it implies that you think you are talking to cannibals, or you think that pigs ans sheep and cows are our own kind, in which case go right ahead but I am staying here, being an insensitive asshole. BTW - I don't really want to eat owls (it needed fixing) that was also a joke.
You don't stop with your insults do you?
Let me be blunt, I had no idea you would be a health-nut(still don't have, you seem to think so and that's enough for me) Had I known I wouldn't have made that comment because it was just a joke and I didn't want to offend anybody.
i don't know, i can't trust you.
You might as well just not post where i post or maybe comment something relevant instead of saying potentially insulting things.
Anyway, I read the study, it says that high consumption of read and processed meat has been positively associated with colon cancer. Nothing about vegetarianism or anything like that, and I had proof I quoted two articles.
Show me where i was talking about vegetarianism?

Man this thread was a disgrace.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14032455 - 02/26/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i want to be a vegetarian one day, as long as i can accomplish that feat in a healthy manner.. which i should be able to
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: owls]
#14032489 - 02/26/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't believe there is substantial evidence red meat causes cancer. They say everything causes cancer, swallowing saliva causes cancer.
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i think it's pretty obvious man
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: owls]
#14032530 - 02/26/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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exhaling causes cancer too
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14034300 - 02/27/11 03:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mate you're pissing me off...go fuck yourself you loser. You don't have anything else to do with your life other then "doubt" if a random retard really insulted you over the internet?
I said I'm sorry multiple times. And aren't you a vegetarian? WTF is this topic even about other then you getting butthurt? I thought it was about red meat causing colon cancer, but you don't seem to want to discuss that.
Are you owls puppet? What's it to you if I insult him? Look maybe you should stop posting till you get a grip on reality and on the subtler points of human communication. Also, fucking opt-out, I should've known.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14034315 - 02/27/11 03:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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All this study shows is the people who thought it up are stupid/ignorant/misleading by grouping red and processed meats together. These are two very different things.
DUUUH STEAK = HOT DOG
Processed meat = the shits
Pastured raised meat = the shit
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Cannashroom said: All this study shows is the people who thought it up are stupid/ignorant/misleading by grouping red and processed meats together. These are two very different things.
DUUUH STEAK = HOT DOG
Processed meat = the shits
Pastured raised meat = the shit
There is an inverse association with fish and colon caner, which is the most important part of the study.
Also, I imagine the grouped those two together because people who eat red meat usually eat processed meat as well.
Who would've thought right?
People who eat red meat, tend to eat cold cuts.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14035987 - 02/27/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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13.step said: Mate you're pissing me off...go fuck yourself you loser. You don't have anything else to do with your life other then "doubt" if a random retard really insulted you over the internet?
I said I'm sorry multiple times. And aren't you a vegetarian? WTF is this topic even about other then you getting butthurt? I thought it was about red meat causing colon cancer, but you don't seem to want to discuss that.
No, lets just dicuss how nature is fucking telling people to stop being pussies.
Are you mad?
Are you owls puppet? What's it to you if I insult him? Look maybe you should stop posting till you get a grip on reality and on the subtler points of human communication. Also, fucking opt-out, I should've known.
I didn't say anything about insulting owl you dirty fart.
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BTW - I don't really want to eat owls (it needed fixing) that was also a joke.
Its this sarcastic remark that implies I am to stupid to know when your majesty is joking around that boils my blood.
Is it my responsibility to know that you wern't calling me a health nut because I clearly don't eat meat?
Shucks, you didn't even fucking know what this thread was about anyways.
Vegetarianism?

You can't fucking read apparently, which usually helps in trying to get at the suttler points of human communication.

Your such a disgrace.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Its this sarcastic remark that implies I am to stupid to know when your majesty is joking around that boils my blood.
You are too stupid to get a joke period...because you are a health nut, all them proteins good for your brain boy.
Go get laid buddy and stop spewing your virginism over the internet...look back fagboy...tell me who didn't want to discuss the topic and got into a pointless conversation because they didn't want to maybe get insulted...fuck you, opt-out of life already you pussy.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14036486 - 02/27/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:
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Cannashroom said: All this study shows is the people who thought it up are stupid/ignorant/misleading by grouping red and processed meats together. These are two very different things.
DUUUH STEAK = HOT DOG
Processed meat = the shits
Pastured raised meat = the shit
There is an inverse association with fish and colon caner, which is the most important part of the study.
Also, I imagine the grouped those two together because people who eat red meat usually eat processed meat as well.
Who would've thought right?
People who eat red meat, tend to eat cold cuts.
That is a ridiculous generalization man. Maybe in your world you see red meat and processed meat as one. I love red meat but rarely ever touch any processed meats (only naturally cured bacon/ham from my butcher). Maybe people do eat them together, but that doesn't mean they should be grouped for the study.
People like to smoke cigarettes when they drink alcohol, does that mean we need to group cigarettes and alcohol as one?
If you want to cite studies and talk about science, maybe learn something about proper experiment design first. You need to be able to actually read the study, and decide if it was properly constructed and legitimate.
Fish is healthy, and the omega-3s can help with prostate cancer, but so can grass fed meats.
I agree with OWLS, this study is worthless.
Fish is good, but so is healthy red meat, so w/e.
I would way rather eat pastured meat than farmed fish, so there's that too.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
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Its this sarcastic remark that implies I am to stupid to know when your majesty is joking around that boils my blood.
You are too stupid to get a joke period...because you are a health nut, all them proteins good for your brain boy.
Go get laid buddy and stop spewing your virginism over the internet...look back fagboy...tell me who didn't want to discuss the topic and got into a pointless conversation because they didn't want to maybe get insulted...fuck you, opt-out of life already you pussy.

Compleltly miss major points in your ridiculousness.....

Eat shit and die.
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Cannashroom said:
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AlphaFalfa said:
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Cannashroom said: All this study shows is the people who thought it up are stupid/ignorant/misleading by grouping red and processed meats together. These are two very different things.
DUUUH STEAK = HOT DOG
Processed meat = the shits
Pastured raised meat = the shit
There is an inverse association with fish and colon caner, which is the most important part of the study.
Also, I imagine the grouped those two together because people who eat red meat usually eat processed meat as well.
Who would've thought right?
People who eat red meat, tend to eat cold cuts.
That is a ridiculous generalization man. Maybe in your world you see red meat and processed meat as one. I love red meat but rarely ever touch any processed meats (only naturally cured bacon/ham from my butcher). Maybe people do eat them together, but that doesn't mean they should be grouped for the study.
Why?
And no it isn't a ridiculous generailization. Its a very realistic generalization. I can't understand why you can't see that.
Maybe you just trying to justify your life through attacking such assumptions without research.
People like to smoke cigarettes when they drink alcohol, does that mean we need to group cigarettes and alcohol as one?
If you want to cite studies and talk about science, maybe learn something about proper experiment design first.

Your the one that obviously cannot see simple things. It isn't an overgeneralize to group these two products together. contrary to your own personal opinion, people who eat red meat generally eat processed meats.
I can't believe you can't even attest to that.
You need to be able to actually read the study, and decide if it was properly constructed and legitimate.
And your some authority over why it isn't a properly constructed study.
don't make me laugh.
the generalzation does make sense. As any red meat eater, they will mostly tell you that they eat processed meats as well.
Thats a joke.
Fish is healthy, and the omega-3s can help with prostate cancer, but so can grass fed meats.
I agree with OWLS, this study is worthless.

Fish is good, but so is healthy red meat, so w/e.
So w/e?

you can't even cite one study that directly shows healthy red meat exists.

I would way rather eat pastured meat than farmed fish, so there's that too.
I just stay with the multiple sources of wild fish, which are far more numerous than pasutured meat.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14040415 - 02/28/11 05:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Compleltly miss major points in your ridiculousness.....

Eat shit and die.
Shit is delicious bro.
Weak insult, you're a gay virgin.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14044254 - 02/28/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No literally.
Eat .
Not meat.
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