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Check this study out.
#13988380 - 02/19/11 02:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Colorectal cancer is the third most common cancer and the third leading cause of cancer-related mortality in both men and women in the United States. Over the past decade, colorectal cancer incidence and mortality rates have decreased in all populations. Until age 50, men and women have similar incidence and mortality rates; after age 50, men are more vulnerable.
http://www.cancer.gov/aboutnci/servingpeople/snapshots/colorectal.pdf
http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/med/2006-0801-215153/Peeters_05_MeatFishandColorectalCancerRiskTheEuropean.pdf
Meat, Fish, and Colorectal Cancer Risk: The European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition
Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Vol. 97, No. 12, June 15, 2005
Current evidence suggests that high red meat intake is associated with increased colorectal cancer risk. High fish intake may be associated with a decreased risk, but the existing evidence is less convincing.
Methods: We prospectively followed 478 040 men and women from 10 European countries who were free of cancer at enrollment between 1992 and 1998. Information on diet and lifestyle was collected at baseline. After a mean follow-up of 4.8 years, 1329 incident colorectal cancers were documented. We examined the relationship between intakes of red and processed meat, poultry, and fish and colorectal cancer risk using a proportional hazards model adjusted for age, sex, energy (nonfat and fat sources), height, weight, work related physical activity, smoking status, dietary fiber and folate, and alcohol consumption, stratifi ed by center. A calibration substudy based on 36 994 subjects was used to correct hazard ratios (HRs) and 95% confi dence intervals (CIs) for diet measurement errors. All statistical tests were two-sided. Results: Colorectal cancer risk was positively associated with intake of red and processed meat (highest [>160 g/day] versus lowest [<20 g/day] intake, HR = 1.35, 95% CI = 0.96 to 1.88; P trend =.03) and inversely associated with intake of fi sh (>80 g/day versus <10 g/day, HR = 0.69, 95 % CI = 0.54 to 0.88; P trend <.001), but was not related to poultry intake. Correcting for measurement error strengthened the associations between colorectal cancer and red and processed meat intake (per 100-g increase HR = 1.25, 95% CI =1.09 to 1.41, P trend = .001 and HR = 1.55, 95% CI = 1.19 to 2.02, P trend = .001 before and after calibration, respectively) and for fi sh (per 100 g increase HR = 0.70, 95% CI = 0.57 to 0.87, P trend <.001 and HR = 0.46, 95% CI = 0.27 to 0.77, P trend = .003; before and after correction, respectively). In this study population, the absolute risk of development of colorectal cancer within 10 years for a study subject aged 50 years was 1.71% for the highest category of red and processed meat intake and 1.28% for the lowest category of intake and was 1.86% for subjects in the lowest category of fi sh intake and 1.28% for subjects in the highest category of fi sh intake.
Conclusions: Our data confirms that colorectal cancer risk is positively associated with high consumption of red and processed meat and support an inverse association with fi sh intake. [J Natl Cancer Inst 2005;97:906–16]
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13991699 - 02/19/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I usually atleast get one interested soul.....
Now what I am going to eat for lunch????
To bad, I love the taste of barbecue souls...
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13992058 - 02/19/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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studies like this are worthless
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13993296 - 02/19/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13993403 - 02/20/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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you deal with it
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: owls]
#13995152 - 02/20/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm certainly interested. I tend to avoid non-organic red meat since it makes me sluggish as hell after I eat it compared to eating properly raised cows, which give an amazing sexual/mental stimulation after ingestion.
Isn't eating too much fish dangerous though? I've read something on the accumulation of PCB's and other toxins that easily get transferred on to us when we consume the fish. Do you know anything about this?
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: MoxyOx]
#13995751 - 02/20/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioaccumulation
Read up on this, to get an understanding of chemicals.
Generally a rule of thumb is the bigger the animal, the more chemicals it will have, per ounce of meat.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: owls]
#13995754 - 02/20/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14015341 - 02/23/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Owls has a big brain put in parking mode all the time and generally uses his trigeminal nerve for performing complex tasks such as poasting. Also he can't see this since he is insecure...
Interesting study, but I don't really think it depends on the type of meat as much as it does on the way it is cooked. Red meat is generally more likely to be cooked on and open flame and this process forms carcinogens, fish on the other hand...I dunno...how else does one even ingest fish outside of tuna salads ? Also oceanic fish has a lot of mercury in it. You're pretty much fucked if you eat it to much, that's an irony of wanting to stay healthy, or nature's way of telling you to stop being a pussy.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14017314 - 02/23/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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13.step said: Owls has a big brain put in parking mode all the time and generally uses his trigeminal nerve for performing complex tasks such as poasting. Also he can't see this since he is insecure...
Yeah yeah.
Interesting study, but I don't really think it depends on the type of meat as much as it does on the way it is cooked.
Sounds great. Feels good, but there isn't any proof you have provided to back this up. Also, red meat, particularly in Europe where the study takes place usually is not BBQ'd. So there is no strong relevance to what you said, particularly because you didn't provide much evidence.
Red meat is generally more likely to be cooked on and open flame and this process forms carcinogens, fish on the other hand...I dunno...how else does one even ingest fish outside of tuna salads ? Also oceanic fish has a lot of mercury in it. You're pretty much fucked if you eat it to much,
i disagree. However, there is mercury in fish generally more so than not. Nevertheless, its usually only very predominant in deep sea fish that are carnivores, particularly tuna, swordfish, king fish, etc.......
that's an irony of wanting to stay healthy, or nature's way of telling you to stop being a pussy.


There is alot of mercury in the ocean because we put it there, not nature.
Actually its called bioaccumulation. Read up on it.
Also, i bet you probally didn't know this but many pesticides we use contain heavy metals like lead and mercury. These accumulate heavily in beef as well.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14018474 - 02/24/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh come on mate, get a sense of humor, I'm not to be taken that seriously.
And get your head out of that special place, how the fuck do you think we consume red meat over here? Do you think we make shakes out of it? WTF, bbq's is suddenly something only americans (canadians) do? Your ignorance is funny...
Here is proof of what I was saying, now what?
And it is natures way of telling health nuts they are pussies because bioaccumulation is a natural phenomenon, all fish have mercury in them and you have a 1 in 4 chance to choose the kind that will actually give you mercury poisoning (proof)
And we didn't put mercury in the oceans and streams, it, uhhh, just kinda got there, when we where looking the other way.
Come one mate, let's not start shit in here, I was just stating my opinion, can we keep it respectful (excepting owls of course )
And please be sure to make a post absolutely perfect before facepalming somebody or else it might backfire, just a friendly reminder.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14019324 - 02/24/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:

I usually atleast get one interested soul.....
Now what I am going to eat for lunch????
To bad, I love the taste of barbecue souls...
wait, you mean processed food is bad for you, no wai! brb, going to eat some delicious barbecue fish souls to lower my cancer risk
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14020289 - 02/24/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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13.step said: Oh come on mate, get a sense of humor, I'm not to be taken that seriously.
And get your head out of that special place, how the fuck do you think we consume red meat over here? Do you think we make shakes out of it? WTF, bbq's is suddenly something only americans (canadians) do? Your ignorance is funny...
Here is proof of what I was saying, now what?
And it is natures way of telling health nuts they are pussies because bioaccumulation is a natural phenomenon, all fish have mercury in them and you have a 1 in 4 chance to choose the kind that will actually give you mercury poisoning (proof)
Maybe I would take you more seriously if your didn't call people who think fish is healthier than red meat, 'health nut' pussies????
And if you didn't think that nature is trying to show people they are pussies through bioaccumulation????
And we didn't put mercury in the oceans and streams, it, uhhh, just kinda got there, when we where looking the other way.
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Come one mate, let's not start shit in here, I was just stating my opinion, can we keep it respectful (excepting owls of course )
I wish I could take you shit seriously, but you failed the moment you called me a health nut pussy.....
And please be sure to make a post absolutely perfect before facepalming somebody or else it might backfire, just a friendly reminder.
Your lucky I didn't insult you, just a friendly reminder.
Now to the actual evidence!!!
http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/3/515.abstract
There is more studies than you can count out there on this subject. I suggest you do an overview, as there are multiple theories why red meat is linked to colon cancer.
Got it, pussy?
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14020572 - 02/24/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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What's it to you if I am right or wrong? Why the fuck can't you keep the discussion civil? Are we still talking about the facts or about how hurt your butt has gotten.
You should have insulted me right away so I would've known what I am dealing with and spared me the attempt at an actual conversation.
OK, let's keep this brief: 1) Learn to fucking quote intelligibly 2) Be a man or STFU about insulting you pussy 3) That link doesn't prove nor disprove anything, it just states a fact, comprehension fail 4) You suck 5) Your mother sucks 6) If you had a father I'm sure he would've sucked too 7) You're one of 'em health nuts I called a pussy aren't you, that where the butthurt comes from?
Ok that's pretty much it, let's take it to the OTD if you want to have an insult match, I don't think this is the forum for these sorts of things.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14023191 - 02/24/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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13.step said: What's it to you if I am right or wrong? Why the fuck can't you keep the discussion civil? Are we still talking about the facts or about how hurt your butt has gotten.
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13.Step Says You're pretty much fucked if you eat it to much, that's an irony of wanting to stay healthy, or nature's way of telling you to stop being a pussy.

Your coming close to being classified an imbecil, not yet.
Why don't you take your inflammatory remarks to the OTD, where they belong?
i bring research, you bring "its natures way of telling people to stop being pussies."
This is why i am pissed, but to you why does it matter. You obviosly have a huge double standard.
if you insult me i am supposed to 'be a man' but now since i gave you a taste of your own imbecil style post, you call me out to an insult fest at the OTD?
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#14023239 - 02/24/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am an idiot not an imbecile please be careful , and mate read harder, I never insulted you, it was just a joke you took personally, I have no idea who you are so it wasn't aimed at you.
And you told me I was lucky you didn't insult me,and then insulted me. I think it is you, mon ami, who wanted an insult-fest.
And I believe if you count them I have posted more of these sources you seem to value so much.
So your point is?
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14023348 - 02/24/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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solution = eat more owls
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: 13.step]
#14023402 - 02/25/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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13.step said: I am an idiot not an imbecile please be careful , and mate read harder, I never insulted you, it was just a joke you took personally, I have no idea who you are so it wasn't aimed at you.
How is it a joke? i don't see the joke?
And you told me I was lucky you didn't insult me,and then insulted me. I think it is you, mon ami, who wanted an insult-fest.
And I believe if you count them I have posted more of these sources you seem to value so much.
So your point is?
Well you might want to clear up when your insinuating derogatory remarks.
if you haven't noticed, this place has a history of flames surrounding this topic. i have argued insecently and been insulted over it many a time.
i assume you are being honest but i have my doubts, i think the sentiment you have towards my POV on nutrition is not at all friendly - probally because you are a meat eater, trying to feel comfortable with your actions even though this study clearly shows that you ought to rethink your dietary choices.
My point is, be a man, so i don't have to be careful then.
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Re: Check this study out. [Re: sysD]
#14023857 - 02/25/11 02:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey, I see why you got so upset, sorry man, it really wasn't directed at you, I am sorry if you got upset because it came over like that.
I was just trying to humorously state my point of view. The way I saw this was a relaxed topic from a guy that found an interesting study and wanted to share it. Little did I know I was walking into the lions den...
What topic are you talking about, red meat increasing cancer risk while fish might decrease it? This seems more and more like a vegan-propaganda topic, a land-mine of sorts that I just stumbled across. Are you a vegetarian and are trying to justify your choice to others with this feeble study? Don't get me started if so. Hey, if it's your choice I respect that, it's not my business if you choose not to eat meat, but don't talk bullshit if you do.(based on an assumption, if it ain't true no harm)
And I am a man, want to see ?
totally unrelated:
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sysD said: solution = eat more owls
Fixed, would he be considered red meat then?
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#14024106 - 02/25/11 06:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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it didn't need fixing
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