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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: Melusina]
#13988080 - 02/19/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: DrMambo]
#13988087 - 02/19/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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DrMambo said: YOU should learn to drive manual
HE shouldn't fuck with synthetic cannabinoids
No kidding. I don't think he will be anymore. Only the real shit if he must.
I mean, he has no job, he's got plenty of money. Why not smoke the real thing?
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: Melusina]
#13988089 - 02/19/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also, I wouldn't say fake weed is dangerous, it just isn't safe, either.
Your friend is the exception, not the rule.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: DrMambo]
#13988114 - 02/19/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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DANNY SEIZURE
A friend of mine has seizures sometimes and they sound very similar to the incident you just described.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: Melusina]
#13988123 - 02/19/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Melusina said:
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DrMambo said: YOU should learn to drive manual
HE shouldn't fuck with synthetic cannabinoids
No kidding. I don't think he will be anymore. Only the real shit if he must.
I mean, he has no job, he's got plenty of money. Why not smoke the real thing?
Honestly. Weed, with thousands of years of human research > synthetic cannabanoids.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#13988127 - 02/19/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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masterfluffypants said: Ive had a VERY bad experience with JWH. That turned me off from doing any research chmes.
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said: I keep telling people to stop fucking around with these bullshit legal highs. Research chemicals are RESEARCH CHEMICALS! Which means YOU are the guinea pig. Not to mention that the sketchy ass head shops that sell this shit don't even tell you what it really is. I bought some spice gold a while back, just to try it, and the lady was all like "yeah, it's got jungle herbs in it..." 
so illegal=safe? It needs to be taken on a chem by chem basis. That is like saying coffee!fuckthatshit its legal only smoke CRACK! Or the other guy a few posts back that had a bad time with JWH then swearing off other RC's is like having a bad time on meth then swearing off shit like shrooms or weed. Chem by chem basis is what you need to judge them by. They are really called research chemicals for marketing reasons and LSD,MDMA,MDA,Ketamine,AMT, the list goes on and on of RC's that are no longer RC's in most areas due to legality. There are a ton of fun ones out there and OP's friend might have had a reaction to it or might not we may never know but it would be great if the stuff could be researched in a lab setting VS weed and I would place money on it being about the same as long as dosage is watched. Lots of crazy horror stories are from first time users who do not know how strong JWH stuff can be.
I do hate that headshops in the USA sell it like that all sneaky without telling you what this is or that is. If you do look at it from their standpoint it does cover their ass a little bit in case shit happens they "didn't know" but its still pretty shady.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: argg]
#13988160 - 02/19/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ehhhhh 
I like shrooms. I really dont care to try any RC's. I took some 2c that was sold to me as acid once. That was about it. Its just kind of ehh.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: masterfluffypants]
#13988165 - 02/19/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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what if shrooms where legal but sold not for human consumption? that is the difference about RC's.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: argg]
#13988166 - 02/19/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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argg said:
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masterfluffypants said: Ive had a VERY bad experience with JWH. That turned me off from doing any research chmes.
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said: I keep telling people to stop fucking around with these bullshit legal highs. Research chemicals are RESEARCH CHEMICALS! Which means YOU are the guinea pig. Not to mention that the sketchy ass head shops that sell this shit don't even tell you what it really is. I bought some spice gold a while back, just to try it, and the lady was all like "yeah, it's got jungle herbs in it..." 
so illegal=safe? It needs to be taken on a chem by chem basis. That is like saying coffee!fuckthatshit its legal only smoke CRACK! Or the other guy a few posts back that had a bad time with JWH then swearing off other RC's is like having a bad time on meth then swearing off shit like shrooms or weed. Chem by chem basis is what you need to judge them by. They are really called research chemicals for marketing reasons and LSD,MDMA,MDA,Ketamine,AMT, the list goes on and on of RC's that are no longer RC's in most areas due to legality. There are a ton of fun ones out there and OP's friend might have had a reaction to it or might not we may never know but it would be great if the stuff could be researched in a lab setting VS weed and I would place money on it being about the same as long as dosage is watched. Lots of crazy horror stories are from first time users who do not know how strong JWH stuff can be.
I do hate that headshops in the USA sell it like that all sneaky without telling you what this is or that is. If you do look at it from their standpoint it does cover their ass a little bit in case shit happens they "didn't know" but its still pretty shady.
Yeah, I checked out the package and the only ingredients listed were herbs that are non-active. That should not be legal.
About dosage being watched...the thing is, no one has to watch dosage on marijuana. It truly is SAFE.
it reminds me of DOxx being sold as acid. The first time I encountered that I had no idea it was even possible so I took around 6 hits. because six hits of acid can not POSSIBLY do anything worse than blow one's mind out. If I had gone for 8, not unheard of...I might be DEAD.
The danger comes, I think, from people not accustomed to worrying about danger. if there is a danger, as there are in many drugs, fine. let people know.
But masquerading as being the same as a drug with no recorded fatalities is fucking evil, unless the manufacturer is CERTAIN of safety.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: argg]
#13988170 - 02/19/11 12:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I agree with you, I was going to point out that most of these products don't tell you exactly what chemical is in them, so that if one gives you a really bad reaction then stopping altogether is safer than continuing to try out different "potpourris" hoping one will be safe for you. I'm glad you already addressed that though.
I have to say that I've been smoking some of the "legal weeds" lately without any problems, but I can believe that some people have bad (possibly lethal) reactions to them. Too bad the real thing isn't legal.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: Melusina]
#13988183 - 02/19/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think there have been any JWH fatalities either. I do think the packaging not saying whats in it is bunk but tobacco companies can add shit also and they don't label it other then "tobacco" and they sell it to smoke.Label laws on stuff you eat come into play from the FDA who do a dam good job at it overall on trying to keep tabs on getting products labeled with whats in them but only if it is a product they control. Sold as an RC they do not control. It really needs to be tested and approved for human use if it legitimately can pass.When I talk about the dosage being watched its more about the effects being strong like if you eat a tray of weed brownies. I think it should over booze and cigs. Weed need to be legal and this shit would not be an issue but really we need to be concerned about OP's friend and hope he does alright.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: argg]
#13988192 - 02/19/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats not the point with RC's. I just dont care for them. Not because of any special reason. Its like if you tried to give me 10 different cheesecakes and i liked 1 enough to not care to eat the others.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: Melusina]
#13988744 - 02/19/11 04:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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When you are high on cannabis, during the first hour or two, you are dramatically more likely to experience a cardiovacscular event.
Maybe it was an arrhythmia, in which case you might have "snapped him out of it" by the physical force to his chest, or maybe he fainted because of sudden drop in blood pressure.
You might just have saved his life.
He really shouldnt smoke ANY cannabinoids anymore, whether it be natural or synthetic. THC is a partial agonist, and most JWH drugs are full agonists, so most likely their cardiovascular risks are sharply increased over the natural product.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: Asante]
#13988757 - 02/19/11 05:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've smoked JWH only once. Shit was crazy. Took 4 small bong rips while being outside, and by the time I got to the kitchen I was fucked out of my mind. Everything turned into a crappy cartoon, and I felt like this strong pulling force on my shoulders like something was trying to pull my soul out. I nearly passed out there.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: Asante]
#13988786 - 02/19/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: When you are high on cannabis, during the first hour or two, you are dramatically more likely to experience a cardiovacscular event.
Maybe it was an arrhythmia, in which case you might have "snapped him out of it" by the physical force to his chest, or maybe he fainted because of sudden drop in blood pressure.
You might just have saved his life.
He really shouldnt smoke ANY cannabinoids anymore, whether it be natural or synthetic. THC is a partial agonist, and most JWH drugs are full agonists, so most likely their cardiovascular risks are sharply increased over the natural product.
This was the first thing that came to mind, was a drop in blood pressure...I know that cannabis causes the vessels to dilate, and can cause a drop in blood pressure. And since these synthetics are full agonists like you pointed out 
There's been two times that I've fainted from cannabis, and I mean literally drop to the ground. One time in particular was because I had taken aspirin (thins blood), as well as ginkgo bilobo (dilates blood vessels), had a beer (thins blood), and smoked a couple bowls. That combination obviously resulted in very low blood pressure. I started to feel light headed and out of it, sorta dizzy, sweaty...After a minute or two of feeling like that I fainted & collapsed. And I recall having slight convulsions when I was coming back to...
The other time was from holding in a bong hit then standing up, I damn near instantly dropped. My legs turned to jello and I was out for a quick minute. Again, sudden drop in blood pressure (as well as a lack of oxygen )....
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: openmind]
#13988852 - 02/19/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't know anyone who has got into JWH hardcore that doesn't now regret it. Nuff said.
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#13988892 - 02/19/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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that's science
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#13988894 - 02/19/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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We once took JWH-018 powder and cooked it down like crack.. It was the craziest experience of my life. I was sitting at a toilet tripping somehow..
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: iLuvAF] 2
#13989105 - 02/19/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow, a 55 year old man had a health issue after smoking a plant laced with a resaerch chemical? What an anomoly!
I'm glad he's OK, but I dont think its the JWH that caused this, I think its his reaction to the JWH.
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Re: Soooo...the fake weed is actually dangerous. I saw someone die for a minute yesterday. [Re: memes]
#13989144 - 02/19/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Glad to hear your friend didn't die horribly.
I've smoked K2 only once...didn't enjoy it at all. Felt like pots evil, soulless twin. I know some people who smoke that shit every day because of probation...fuck that. That can't be healthy.
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