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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: auxiliary]
#13993225 - 02/19/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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That is true if you know that. But I don't think that Icelander knows that?
If this was the true definition of self, there would be no need for the word selfless.
However, in the context presented, and the source, I had assumed self to be referred as an individual being.
Was I wrong to assume that?
Edited by teknix (02/19/11 11:46 PM)
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: teknix]
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teknix said: That is true if you know that. But I don't think that Icelander knows that?
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: auxiliary] 1
#13993288 - 02/19/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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WTF universe is this anyway?
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: teknix]
#13993294 - 02/19/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think I took a wrong turn somewhere back in the lower Astral Planes.
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: teknix]
#13993314 - 02/19/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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However, in the context presented, and the source, I had assumed self to be referred as an individual being.
Was I wrong to assume that?
No, unless we're referring to altrusim, I think. I'm on boat for the self being it's own motivation. I think animals may have a more connected existence and therefore are altruisic. I'm sorta throwin ideas up at the moment I'm plenty stoned
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#13994222 - 02/20/11 05:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whether what you do is selfish or selfless, truley does not even matter. What matters is solely your highest belief of what you are doing. That is the ultimate truth.
If we are little bitty selves of one big self than yes, selfless things are ultimately selfish. But that's why we have seperation, so we can lose that feeling of everything just being for the self, and there being no reason to do anything unselfish because there is nobody else there. That's why we're not God. Being God would suck ass. Seperation is so we forget. And at facevalue, we're not God, so it seems to be working well.
And paradoxically, we find them same problem within our isolated concious, the very thing we might've considered improbable in separation.
Of course the solution to a problem with no solution is that its not a problem at all and never was anything more than a delusional manifestation of having too much time on our hands.
All I can say is that even though we may be both one, I'm glad that you don't know my conciousness, and I don't know yours. It leaves a lot of interesting new things to be introduced to my conciousness by creating something outside of it by limiting its perception of what ultimately is only itself.
Remember people, focus on the positive aspects. Just because their are negative ones, does not mean by looking at the positive aspects that you are looking at something false. It's just means you made the right choice. And when in doubt, get immersed in the world. That's why we made it, so we're not eternally contemplating, but we have something fun to do. Eternal contemplation will get you no where, and fun won't either, but when you're having fun, getting somewhere is suddenly not important. You have arrived where you wanted to go.
Sometimes things that are really fun take a lot of work too, like for example right now i'm working on an album. It'll be fun getting mad pussy when I play it for the girls in my car. I guess I could get mad pussy anyway, but this pussy will be dripping wet with desire, because I am that god damn good at creating perfection.
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: teknix]
#13994390 - 02/20/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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teknix said: That is true if you know that. But I don't think that Icelander knows that?
If this was the true definition of self, there would be no need for the word selfless.
However, in the context presented, and the source, I had assumed self to be referred as an individual being.
Was I wrong to assume that?
There is the word God and yet no proof of one. Also FSM and no evidence of one.
Words don't have to have a concrete reality dear one.
The Icelander knows.
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I wouldn't have or want to take the time to point out all the perceived fallacies in that post.
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#13994461 - 02/20/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well I personally don't believe in true and false, I believe in belief and disbelief.
You only believe an apple will fall to the ground when you let go of it, and you only believe it because you just did it ten times, and it happened every time. But to say that when you let go of an apple it is true it will fall, you're believening in your past and the perception of it, and you're believening in its reliability. You're making all kinds of assumptions based on nothing but your experience, which is not something you can even prove exists is true to anyone, they just have to believe you when you say you exist.
It's just when belief solidifies itself enough, people label it as true or false. Whether it really is or not it doesn't matter, because its a belief of theirs and they have to make leaps over logic to think believing something makes it true or false. Life's an opinion, not a fact.
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You're making all kinds of assumptions based on nothing but your experience, which is not something you can even prove exists is true to anyone, they just have to believe you when you say you exist.
Well this is the Mystery forum. There's a huge difference in my believing I can leap over tall buildings and the belief shared by billions of people that gravity exists. But you carry on.
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#13994830 - 02/20/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: You're making all kinds of assumptions based on nothing but your experience, which is not something you can even prove exists is true to anyone, they just have to believe you when you say you exist.
Well this is the Mystery forum. There's a huge difference in my believing I can leap over tall buildings and the belief shared by billions of people that gravity exists. But you carry on.
We've seen in cases mysterious healing just because a person felt the touch of Jesus. If thats not belief altering physical reality I don't know what is.
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: Seanfu]
#13994926 - 02/20/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can you leap over a tall building?
Post your youtube video here _________
Considering what we know about how stress and belief effect the body the faith healing isn't so mysterious after all.
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#13996670 - 02/20/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: You're making all kinds of assumptions based on nothing but your experience, which is not something you can even prove exists is true to anyone, they just have to believe you when you say you exist.
Well this is the Mystery forum. There's a huge difference in my believing I can leap over tall buildings and the belief shared by billions of people that gravity exists. But you carry on.
I believe you're right.
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Of course we can always say its at least true we believe, if we're going to say every truth is belief. So at the top we have a truth. But in the end we have to believe in that top truth. I can keep going but there'd be no point. Paradox after paradox I run into trying to break everything down to the 1's and 0's.
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There's a distinct possibility that gravity would operate even if you were not here to believe. No really, It's quite possible that the universe wasn't too conscious at one time.
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#13996902 - 02/20/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Of course that's something you and I believe. Endless circles my friend.
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Actually I don't believe it even if you do. I do believe it's a possibility. I rarely fully believe anything anymore. Still I'm inclined towards the material as it hurts when you bump into it.
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Re: A problem with Compassion [Re: Icelander]
#13997119 - 02/20/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Still I'm inclined towards the material as it hurts when you bump into it.
It huts now...
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