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JesusGoneRogue


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only when humanity
#13982766 - 02/18/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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as a whole achieves a state of complete selflessness, can it ascend unto higher forms of intelligence.
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Envix
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i contrast by saying we should all merge as a collective self and treat other as such.. as an extension of the self
a complete state of selfmuchness
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Re: only when humanity [Re: Envix]
#13982776 - 02/18/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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your wisdom becomes my wisdom
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Re: only when humanity [Re: Envix]
#13982782 - 02/18/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Envix said: i contrast by saying we should all merge as a collective self and treat other as such.. as an extension of the self
a complete state of selfmuchness
if every human were to become selfless, i believe the state you speak of would be achieved. yin and yang. we are one in the same.
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well selflessness seems to imply a lack of attention on the self as an ego structure. when i believe ego and identity should just be liquified so as we can all be in an ocean of mixed identity that changes & mixz.n.matches etc..

i get what ur saying tho. im just deconstruccting/rearranging semantics
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Re: only when humanity [Re: Envix]
#13982802 - 02/18/11 01:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i like you envix. provoking one to think higher forms of thoughts. and the bouncing of ideas off one another. good shit man.
Edited by JesusGoneRogue (02/18/11 01:40 AM)
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Re: only when humanity [Re: Envix]
#13982831 - 02/18/11 01:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Envix said: i contrast by saying we should all merge as a collective self and treat other as such.. as an extension of the self
a complete state of selfmuchness
hive mind, baby
lemme be queen
-------------------- I don't believe in cops, bosses, or politicians. Some call that anarchism. I call it having a fucking heart that beats.
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Re: only when humanity [Re: igwna]
#13982836 - 02/18/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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lemme be queen 
youre completely missing the point 

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Re: only when humanity [Re: Envix]
#13982850 - 02/18/11 02:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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lemme be queen 
youre completely missing the point 


i'll be your queen envix
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Re: only when humanity [Re: igwna]
#13982856 - 02/18/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I AM QUEEN. YOU ARE NOTHING// NOTTTHIIING!!
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Re: only when humanity [Re: igwna]
#13982866 - 02/18/11 02:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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theMERRYiguana said:
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Envix said:
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lemme be queen 
youre completely missing the point 


i'll be your queen envix 
homosexuality in my thread. through selflessness i'll allow it. for the sake of love.
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-------------------- I don't believe in cops, bosses, or politicians. Some call that anarchism. I call it having a fucking heart that beats.
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Re: only when humanity [Re: igwna]
#13982897 - 02/18/11 02:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yes. this is my thread. i could have it locked in a heartbeat. i'm in control bitch tits. but in the spirit of this thread i'll step down one notch and say that, we control it.
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JesusGoneRogue said: as a whole achieves a state of complete selflessness, can it ascend unto higher forms of intelligence.
thoughts? comments? queries?
I believe no human form has achieved a state of pure selflessness, if one where to do so certainly higher forms of intelligence would be achieved. A life of selflessness can't be possible though right?
-------------------- I must not Fear. Fear is the mindkiller . Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. ONLY I WILL REMAIN.
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i smell mutiny afoot. swabbies dont get to be captain they stay in the hole and guard the bombs
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Re: only when humanity [Re: NIMH]
#13982964 - 02/18/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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NIMH said:
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JesusGoneRogue said: as a whole achieves a state of complete selflessness, can it ascend unto higher forms of intelligence.
thoughts? comments? queries?
I believe no human form has achieved a state of pure selflessness, if one where to do so certainly higher forms of intelligence would be achieved. A life of selflessness isn't can't be possible though right?
thats what i'm pondering right now. if it is indeed possible to lead a life of complete selflessness. i must ponder some more.
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Quote:
JesusGoneRogue said:
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NIMH said:
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JesusGoneRogue said: as a whole achieves a state of complete selflessness, can it ascend unto higher forms of intelligence.
thoughts? comments? queries?
I believe no human form has achieved a state of pure selflessness, if one where to do so certainly higher forms of intelligence would be achieved. A life of selflessness isn't can't be possible though right?
thats what i'm pondering right now. if it is indeed possible to lead a life of complete selflessness. i must ponder some more. 
I think it really depends on what you believe in... Some people may view an act of selflessness as a pure thing for the soul, while others may view your involvement in a corporate take over, and the furtherer of your wealth as a positive.
-------------------- I must not Fear. Fear is the mindkiller . Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. ONLY I WILL REMAIN.
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Re: only when humanity [Re: NIMH]
#13982980 - 02/18/11 02:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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NIMH said:
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JesusGoneRogue said: as a whole achieves a state of complete selflessness, can it ascend unto higher forms of intelligence.
thoughts? comments? queries?
I believe no human form has achieved a state of pure selflessness, if one where to do so certainly higher forms of intelligence would be achieved. A life of selflessness can't be possible though right?
youre thinking in temporal/linear perspective. to preform in an act of selflessness is to be in a state of selflessness. you don't have to be in that state all the time for it to be valid. every human possesses the ability to act selflessly it's only when we get caught up in ego and personal accomplishments trumping the happiness we achieve through the gratitude of others that it becomes a selfish act but no one is in one state or the other all the time..
we change all the time, through time. sometimes we are selfless and sometimes we are selfish and sometimes we are neither. time really doesn't hold any objective merit on the subject.. if you are being selfless NOW then that's all that matters
although i think the less selfishness exists in society as a collective, the greater the success & overall happiness of the species will be apparent... it's really not relevant unless you begin to see it in your own life, which can be achieved by acting through selflessness as much as humanly possible
Edited by Envix (02/18/11 02:39 AM)
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Re: only when humanity [Re: NIMH]
#13982985 - 02/18/11 02:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Basically I'm asking why do see selflessness as a means to ascention....
-------------------- I must not Fear. Fear is the mindkiller . Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. ONLY I WILL REMAIN.
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Re: only when humanity [Re: NIMH]
#13982990 - 02/18/11 02:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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NIMH said:
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JesusGoneRogue said:
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NIMH said:
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JesusGoneRogue said: as a whole achieves a state of complete selflessness, can it ascend unto higher forms of intelligence.
thoughts? comments? queries?
I believe no human form has achieved a state of pure selflessness, if one where to do so certainly higher forms of intelligence would be achieved. A life of selflessness isn't can't be possible though right?
thats what i'm pondering right now. if it is indeed possible to lead a life of complete selflessness. i must ponder some more. 
I think it really depends on what you believe in... Some people may view an act of selflessness as a pure thing for the soul, while others may view your involvement in a corporate take over, and the furtherer of your wealth as a positive.
you know what the best of both worlds would be? acquiring a vast wealth, only to give it all away. yin and yang. to and fro. their must be balance to rest on air.
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you know what the best of both worlds would be? acquiring a vast wealth, only to give it all away. yin and yang. to and fro. their must be balance to rest on air. 
wealth is an illusory symbol we commonly attach abundance to. abundance can take the form of wealth but it can also take form of many other things. wealth is just some value system we've assigned to some paper and claim it holds a higher power over us to control and manage thangs. but it is not the sole determinant of our ability to express and accomplish and share. if we have the ability to do what we want to do when we want to do it, we have abundance
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Re: only when humanity [Re: NIMH]
#13983003 - 02/18/11 02:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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NIMH said: Basically I'm asking why do see selflessness as a means to ascention....
selflessness paves the path to love. love opens the gates to inspiration. inspiration increases radical thought. radical thought brings about change. change becomes evolution.
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I think we should all bring back romes tradition of street orgies, that would bring us together into one-ness
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i agree. cum together. right now. all over me.
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Re: only when humanity [Re: Envix]
#13983010 - 02/18/11 02:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Envix said: every human possesses the ability to act selflessly
I'm guessing you place none of your beliefs in Psychological egoism? Which is fine... But show me an example of pure selflessness... Have you ever created one. I've acted as third party to help someone, but can't admit my acts where selfless.
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Re: only when humanity [Re: NIMH]
#13983013 - 02/18/11 02:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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one time, out of the sheer goodness and compassion of my heart.. i filled a rental car w/ premium
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Edited by Envix (02/18/11 02:54 AM)
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Re: only when humanity [Re: Envix]
#13983020 - 02/18/11 02:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You're a saint
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Re: only when humanity [Re: igwna]
#13983226 - 02/18/11 06:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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theMERRYiguana said:
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Envix said: i contrast by saying we should all merge as a collective self and treat other as such.. as an extension of the self
a complete state of selfmuchness
hive mind, baby
lemme be queen 
The hive mind has already been achieved...And we are already growing rotten fruits on the tree of selfishness
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JesusGoneRogue said: as a whole achieves a state of complete selflessness, can it ascend unto higher forms of intelligence.
thoughts? comments? queries?
Honestly? It looks like a unsubstantiated and naive hippie wish.
Did we get our current form of intelligence by being selfless? No, quite the opposite indeed.
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Re: only when humanity [Re: DieCommie]
#13983534 - 02/18/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah, i'm not really needed here...
HI ENVIX! 
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Envix said: one time, out of the sheer goodness and compassion of my heart.. i filled a rental car w/ premium
BTW good example, too.
Edited by akira_akuma (02/18/11 09:04 AM)
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Re: only when humanity [Re: DieCommie]
#13983541 - 02/18/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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JesusGoneRogue said: as a whole achieves a state of complete selflessness, can it ascend unto higher forms of intelligence.
thoughts? comments? queries?
Honestly? It looks like a unsubstantiated and naive hippie wish.
Did we get our current form of intelligence by being selfless? No, quite the opposite indeed.
yes, a creation is more indubitable... but still like as Envix doth proclaim; it doesn't need to be an objective take on the mind, as in, to be for one to strive for all the time.
it should just be done more and/or more accepted as a form of... well, useful tendency.
EDIT: oh yeah, and also... you are right about us not developing out intelligence's by way of selflessness, but mostly the opposite...
but, it's fruitless... we see how this world works, logistically, and it's crudly. would you not agree?
if so, i ask to to consider a position on just doing something with reason or logic, and seeing how that plays out if, as long as it isn't immediately interfering with someone else. i am not asking to you to see from the point of view of an anarchist.
Edited by akira_akuma (02/18/11 09:08 AM)
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Envix said: i contrast by saying we should all merge as a collective self and treat other as such.. as an extension of the self
a complete state of selfmuchness
hive mind, baby
lemme be queen 
The hive mind has already been achieved...And we are already growing rotten fruits on the tree of selfishness
nice, words... you're RIGHT! now, if only we could grow properly, and not get run by our emotions and governing fears.
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Envix said: one time, out of the sheer goodness and compassion of my heart.. i filled a rental car w/ premium
BTW good example, too.
i have to give credit to emo phillips for this line. i forgot thats where i heard that from
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Re: only when humanity [Re: Envix]
#13983610 - 02/18/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm guessing you place none of your beliefs in Psychological egoism?
plus, it was an excellent deflection.
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