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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: unfoldedbrain]
    #13980786 - 02/17/11 07:27 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

:shrug: Just try it and see i guess... good luck to you...

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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: shroomtastic89]
    #13980871 - 02/17/11 07:40 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: Johnny Depp]
    #13980911 - 02/17/11 07:49 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Also there is no need to eat some nasty smoothy, just boil them in water, strain out chunks and drink water, no need to eat the fruit bodies at all dude.


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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: 4runner]
    #13980970 - 02/17/11 08:01 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

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anunnakian said:
What was the weight of the 90 mushrooms?
Remember with fresh mushrooms there is a lot of water weight. So 3.5 grams dry would be roughly equal to 35 grams fresh.

Also that smoothie sounds awful, then again I can't eat cubensis fresh any more



Yeah, I can't handle the massive amount of fresh cubensis it takes for a good trip anymore. the first couple times I was all like- oh that wasn't so bad. It is though. I can handle fresh azurescens just cuz you don't have to eat nearly as much of them 6 to 8 small mushrooms and I'm good to go. Sometimes do smoothies, but they are kinda gross. One time I got the bright idea to make a hot chocolate mushroom smoothie. BAD IDEA! SO GROSS!:shake:

@RP- that sucks. You should use a scale next time. You can get them cheap on the interwebs. I say this because an active dose of undried cubensis actually looks like a pretty fucking big pile. It's more than you think. They shrink a LOT when you dry them. I was surprised when I got my scale.

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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: shroomtastic89]
    #13981461 - 02/17/11 09:29 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

If it doesn't harm it when they are dry why would it matter if they are fresh? When you dry them all you do is remove the water content...





The wet fresh mushrooms oxidize and turn blue when damaged. Dry mushrooms do not oxidize so quickly, that's why they do not turn blue once they've been dried. It's the presence of water that helps oxidize the goodies quickly, I believe.

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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #13981486 - 02/17/11 09:33 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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...an active dose of undried cubensis actually looks like a pretty fucking big pile. It's more than you think. They shrink a LOT when you dry them. I was surprised when I got my scale.



Very true. You probably just did not eat enough, if I had to guess...

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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: enthiangenic]
    #13981578 - 02/17/11 09:49 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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If it doesn't harm it when they are dry why would it matter if they are fresh? When you dry them all you do is remove the water content...





The wet fresh mushrooms oxidize and turn blue when damaged. Dry mushrooms do not oxidize so quickly, that's why they do not turn blue once they've been dried. It's the presence of water that helps oxidize the goodies quickly, I believe.




He was asking if they would be the same ground up in a liquid dry vs. fresh... not why they turned blue...

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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: shroomtastic89]
    #13981752 - 02/17/11 10:17 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

just for the record, blending fresh shrooms in a blender does not reduce the potency to any degree that I've noticed.

Unless you then vomit them up:lol:


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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #13981781 - 02/17/11 10:22 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

op... i have a hypothesis about a specific ingredient i use... try it out and see if this occurs with someone else as well... roughly 2 tbsp of flaxseed per quart jar of grain


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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: shroomtastic89]
    #13981815 - 02/17/11 10:29 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

Who do you mean by he? You are the one who said...

"If it doesn't harm it when they are dry why would it matter if they are fresh? When you dry them all you do is remove the water content..."

I tried explaining that when they are dry they do not oxidize so quickly. And when they are wet they break down much more quickly. That is why, at least in my opinion, that it is better to grind dry mushrooms instead of wet. Because you expose much more surface area to oxidize while it's wet. When it's dry that area will not oxidize so fast.
I'm not saying that this is a Rule of the Universe, but I find wet mushrooms that were ground up seem weaker than dry mushrooms of the corresponding weight ratio ground up. I explain it away with the above. It may not be true but I'm just saying it seems possible and logical.

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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: enthiangenic]
    #13981830 - 02/17/11 10:31 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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Who do you mean by he? You are the one who said...

"If it doesn't harm it when they are dry why would it matter if they are fresh? When you dry them all you do is remove the water content..."

I tried explaining that when they are dry they do not oxidize so quickly. And when they are wet they break down much more quickly. That is why, at least in my opinion, that it is better to grind dry mushrooms instead of wet. Because you expose much more surface area to oxidize while it's wet. When it's dry that area will not oxidize so fast.
I'm not saying that this is a Rule of the Universe, but I find wet mushrooms that were ground up seem weaker than dry mushrooms of the corresponding weight ratio ground up. I explain it away with the above. It may not be true but I'm just saying it seems possible and logical.



from my personal experience I would have to disagree. Not that I've done any doubleblind testing or anything:lol:


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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #13981841 - 02/17/11 10:33 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

no such thing as bunk cubensis.

you just didnt eat enough. :]


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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: k00laid]
    #13982124 - 02/17/11 11:14 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

Well, I can't say that my "tests" were 100% accurate, but with such a perception altering substance as psilocybin it's all subjective to a degree. Everyone experiences things differently.

But I've always read that you shouldn't bruise your fruits too much. It may not alter the amount of psychoactive chemicals too much but I feel as though it's safe to say it alters it some. But I suppose if you consume them quickly after blending them you probably will not notice much of a change.

Also, I've always been a believer that a cube is pretty much a cube, except for P.E., but I've read a few articles where different specimens of Cubensis collected at different places throughout the world contained varying concentrations of psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin. The amounts of each varied only by relatively small increments, but throughout the specimens some levels were higher than others. The OP used PESA and Wollengong which are well known, so we can assume if they were really Cubes it should have been obvious by physical characteristics.

I don't think in the case of the OP that most of this matters. I think he just needed more mushrooms. Roughly 30 cubensis mushrooms may not have been enough depending on size. My suggestion of drying the mushrooms is mostly because you will not have to consume all the water weight and weighing a more accurate dose is easier. When I was younger I loved fresh mushrooms but as I got older that changed. OP should keep working at it, he'll find what he's looking for if he trys hard enough.

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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: enthiangenic]
    #13982143 - 02/17/11 11:17 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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Well, I can't say that my "tests" were 100% accurate, but with such a perception altering substance as psilocybin it's all subjective to a degree. Everyone experiences things differently.



LOL. That's funny. I was just explaining this same thing in another thread about LSD. It's really hard to compare psychedelic experiences cuz they're all unique, and the experience is so open to suggestion.


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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #13982273 - 02/17/11 11:35 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

I'll probably get lambasted for saying this, but yeah, try em' dry and see what happens.

I've always gotten my best trips off cracker dried mushrooms.

I'm not into wet.


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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: Niffla]
    #13982281 - 02/17/11 11:37 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

well.. mushrooms dont produce more psilocybin while drying.. i dont think anyways,

its just that dry dosage is standard measurement, so wet dosage procedure is eat more than you think you need :thumbup:

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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #13982379 - 02/17/11 11:51 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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well.. mushrooms dont produce more psilocybin while drying.. i dont think anyways,




Oh yeah, there's no doubt it doesn't -- and many here will testify that wet is higher potency than dry.

But for me, for whatever reason, my dried shroom trips have blown out my wet shroom trips. Perhaps I'm not getting the wet weight correct, though. :shrug:


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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #13982391 - 02/17/11 11:53 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

Wait now I'm a bit confused here. Only dealt with fresh cubes once so I'm not an expert, never grown.
But I always thought that the only reason you need to eat more grams fresh was because of water weight. Shroom for shroom it's the same right? Usually when I take a does of an 8th or so it's something like 2 big ones maybe 5-8 small to medium ones and then a little bit of crumblies, definitely not 30 mushrooms. So wouldn't I take the same amount of mushrooms fresh, they would just weigh more?
The one time I did have fresh I'm trying to remember but I think I had one big one and like 2 or three small ones and I tripped pretty dang good. They were way fresh, like picked an hour before.


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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a dissapointment,,,what do i do? [Re: unfoldedbrain]
    #13982403 - 02/17/11 11:55 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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Wait now I'm a bit confused here. Only dealt with fresh cubes once so I'm not an expert, never grown.
But I always thought that the only reason you need to eat more grams fresh was because of water weight. Shroom for shroom it's the same right? Usually when I take a does of an 8th or so it's something like 2 big ones maybe 5-8 small to medium ones and then a little bit of crumblies, definitely not 30 mushrooms. So wouldn't I take the same amount of mushrooms fresh, they would just weigh more?
The one time I did have fresh I'm trying to remember but I think I had one big one and like 2 or three small ones and I tripped pretty dang good. They were way fresh, like picked an hour before.



they shrink SO much when they dry. It doesn't look like nearly the same volume.


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Re: i grew bunk shrooms...what a disappointment,,,what do i do? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #13985608 - 02/18/11 04:30 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

excuse me if i offend anyone here....but are you all just stupid or what?...do you think i just started eating shrooms...man im old school
1st drying mushrooms causes a small component loss...period!!! you think there's no oxidation when you put them in front of a fan for 24-48 hrs...jesus christ...WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
thus fresh shrooms are more potent if consumed in the right quantity... period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2nd this is a tried and true recipe Ive tried with wild shrooms...no problems....it's always worked...and it works the same for dried shrooms
3rd i picked them and blended them and ate them within 15 mins...not enough time to go bunk......duh!!!!!
eating mushies little by little causes instant tolerance...you should eat them as quickly as possible..like an fucking animal without hesitation
i believe it was due to multi spore inoculation and a bad spin of the roulette wheel...basically bad luck....maybe low dosis...maybe lack of nitrogen(horse shit)
but i had eaten smaller quantity and had a better effect with golden teacher, Cambodians, kohl sami(misspelled)
my method of ingestion may turn some people off...but it is highly effective and nothing gets destroyed more than when you put a whole shroom in your mouth and chew...i just eliminated the necessity to chew so i could just drink it fast(consuming more in less time for a big dose instantly) regardless of the taste

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