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pugapp
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One With The Universe
#13982122 - 02/17/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hello guys. I'm trying to find out if there is any way of having a spiritual experience like on that I've had before on mushrooms. The experience made me feel like I was everything. I was one with the universe. Is there any way to achieve such an experience without using drugs? :/
Meditation may be? Anything that helps is highly appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: pugapp]
#13982192 - 02/17/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can try meditation. Sit in a comfortable position. Repeat a mantra. Try Bah Room. I use Om Mani Padme Hum. Keep saying it over and over again. With practice, this will essentially drown out your normal thoughts and allow you to experience what is always behind your thought - an awareness. Meditation is a practice which is meant to influence all aspects of your life. It's not about the peak experiences - I feel they are only there to keep us going with the practice. If your are chasing a experience your are chasing your own thought-of-the-experience-tail. Remember the idea is to cease the internal dialogue. Good Luck.
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#13982447 - 02/18/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Later, once the subjects had finished meditating, the regions were imaged and the meditation state compared with the normal waking state. The scans provided remarkable clues about what goes on in the brain during meditation. "There was an increase in activity in the front part of the brain, the area that is activated when anyone focuses attention on a particular task," Dr Newberg explained. In addition, a notable decrease in activity in the back part of the brain, or parietal lobe, recognized as the area responsible for orientation, reinforced the general suggestion that meditation leads to a lack of spatial awareness.
Dr Newberg explained: "During meditation, people have a loss of the sense of self and frequently experience a sense of no space and time and that was exactly what we saw." The complex interaction between different areas of the brain also resembles the pattern of activity that occurs during other so-called spiritual or mystical experiences.
http://www.crystalinks.com/medbrain.html
probably takes a lot of experience to get there though, but i also don't know much about getting there through meditation
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: pugapp]
#13985784 - 02/18/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The conscious you must have the sober ability to learn, especially in certain fields like 'going with the flow' and understanding that the voice within you wants you to listen to it.
From there it's simply continuing a progression of building your conscious out of unconscious (unawareness).
Drugs degrade your body's energy field, and when you do them, they focus very purified energies into you, or they focus impure energies. Either way, it's important to recognize your energy field is (key word) OPEN. Once it's open, it relies more on your individualized self to access deeper understandings. Some people are easily susceptible to fear, so they end up having bad trips. Some people are susceptible to extreme creation, and only see brilliant things appearing. When the combination of the now is just right or good enough, your trip can be awakened to many new levels.
Think of how fast and simple it was to access this infinite database of knowledge using a drug. When you are sobered, it would seem things aren't nearly as easy of a "jump" to the world beyond.
Buddha took 40 days and 40 nights to unlock the purest truth. Jesus is missing from the bible for 18 years - maybe he meditated for many of those years so he could figure it out for himself. The discernment here is maybe they didn't use drugs, but stilled the mind for long enough that it could see a perfectly clear image.
And personally, I believe what one can do ALL can do. Jesus said we could do all the works he did and more, all we have to do is "unlock the kingdom within."
My point?
Yes, I believe the door to the ultimate experience can be opened... I also believe that experience cannot be achieved while induced with ANY drug, because no matter how much or how little psychedelic activity is being used, you WILL come back with the ego. How do you kill it?
You do it... you still the mind so much that the ego has nothing to control within yourself. "You will only begin entering the kingdom when the prince of this world (ego/devil/negative pull) has nothing in you," said by Jesus.
Spiritual protection is real, and this definitely helps you to acquire an enlightening experience, which a large portion of this forum of people have a sense to how it would be and where it would lead. If you learn how to invoke this protection, there is nothing but benefit for you. Researching things like Archangel Michael helps give you better understandings for the beings that really are trying to help us.
Meditation is about the stillness, and as a saying I created on my first enlightened mushroom trip went... "The more of nothing you do, the clearer you can see."
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: pugapp]
#13986120 - 02/18/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am always one with the universe, so are you. Mushrooms do make me realise that this is so because they make me think deep enough to see the truth of it. Now i just know it to be so, the rest will take care of itself... how about you?
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: pugapp]
#13989848 - 02/19/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The experience you're looking for is called Samadhi, and may be experienced via extended periods of meditation. It's very difficult for most people to attain without the help of psychedelic drugs, unfortunately.
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: pugapp]
#13994452 - 02/20/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes there definitely is a way to access that supremely blissfull & peaceful state of being without the use of anything but your own attention/meditation, when i took mushrooms i used to want the same thing & intuitively knew there was a way of accessing that peaceful state & i put all my efforts into finding out how. I was 100% doubtless that it was possible which looking back i felt was very important. On shromos i also saw that it was something very very simple, not complicated, just kinda elusive.
Maybe first just try meditating by yourself, don't read huge books about it, 'just be'
That's what id do if i had to do it all over again knowing what i know now, don't listen to anyone, don't listen to me, don't listen to your own mind, just be, keep bringing your attention back to the feeling of 'being', as simple being is completely reliable & so is full of peace, also everything that exists is 'being' so to be in total oneness with everything you only have to just be, ignoring the thinking mind helps a lot!
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: Chronic7]
#13995903 - 02/20/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You ARE everything! Does it not occur to you that it's that reaching for it that's preventing you from seeing it? Meditating with the same intent works not. This moment is the mushroom experience - it is by comparison that it'll forever elude you. You don't get there - it is simply what is happening: you're HERE. You cannot be one with the universe because you do not exist - what you're saying is you feel separate. All that exists is literally this.
Plus the commonality of being is FELT.
If you still manage to elude yourself further, I reccomend another such mushroom-induced experience for it'll allow greater integration (even if only via further distillation of the integrating-medium).
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: Ahimsa] 1
#13997943 - 02/20/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ahimsa said: I am always one with the universe, so are you. Mushrooms do make me realise that this is so because they make me think deep enough to see the truth of it. Now i just know it to be so, the rest will take care of itself... how about you?
nigga
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: R2-D2] 1
#14000247 - 02/21/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You ARE everything
just out of curiosity, how can you be so sure it's the absolute truth and not just somethings going on in the brain when people experience it.
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the experience doesn't leave room for such doubt extreme bliss has a way of destroying the minds doubts
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: Chronic7] 1
#14001786 - 02/21/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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just because it's blissful doesn't mean it's true though. i'm also not saying it isn't true, just wondering how we can be so sure that it's our true reality and separateness is just an illusion.
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because you drown in the bliss of the experience to the extent the mind simply can't get a foothold to doubt it, i guess its a leap to ask the mind to understand it ya know...
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: bigmike7104] 2
#14002479 - 02/21/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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bigmike7104 said: just because it's blissful doesn't mean it's true though. i'm also not saying it isn't true, just wondering how we can be so sure that it's our true reality and separateness is just an illusion.
There is no true reality other than all reality, I believe. Can we really dismiss any individual thing as an illusion without dismissing everything as an illusion?
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Re: One With The Universe [Re: R2-D2]
#14005925 - 02/22/11 05:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's a quote for the books ^
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