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Very disappointed with San Pedro!
    #13981944 - 02/17/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Greetings and salutations Shroomites, I have been lurking around this forum for a few weeks now and I feel like I should start posting. I am not new to psychedelics. I have had some experience with LSD and mushrooms over the years. It has been almost five years since I last eat some shrooms and that was on a vacation in Amsterdam. I live in an American city where such things are not readily available. Recently I had some time on my hands and thought I would try some San Pedro tea. I have read and heard much about it and kind of went into the experience with high expectations. I bought 10 twelve inch cuttings from a seller on flebay. They looked like nice cuttings. Good color and about 3 inches think. I followed a tek that I found on erowid; freeze, thaw, chop, blend, boil for 6 - 7 hours, strain and drink. The first time that I did it, I made two batches with two cuttings each. The end product was about two 20 oz doses. I drank it with a close friend who has extensive experience with shrooms and LSD. The drink itself was not nearly as bad as it is hyped up to be on the internet. I mean it tasted nasty but I downed it, chased it with ginger ale and the taste was gone. Neither I nor my friend experienced any nausea. After about two hours I began to feel a little light headed. By two and half hours I was feeling something. My heart was pounding. I was a little nervous about whether I would have a good trip or not. So my friend and I took a night walk. It was cool. He was feeling something too. Everything was a bit blurry and I kind of had a little rush. By three and a half hours we both felt almost nothing. My friend assured me that he felt something psychedelic but it was perhaps not the right dose. Four hours in we smoked a bowl of hydro and went to sleep. The next day I went to another friend’s house and cooked 6 cuttings into two doses. We drank it and sat around in anticipation. Two hours in I began to feel something. He did not. Three hours in my friend turns to me and says, “That cactus is some bullshit. We spent all day cooking it. We made a huge mess in my kitchen and I don’t feel shit.” We both started drinking beer and smoking herb. We feel asleep about an hour later. The next day he admitted to me that he did feel something kind of like a mild serotonin rush for a little while but it was nothing near a psychedelic experience.  I am very disappointed with this experience. After all that shit none of us had any visuals. I have read that san Pedro potency can vary greatly from plant to plant.

I am wondering if anyone here has had a similar experience. Are some San Pedro cacti just duds?

It is possible that I did not prepare it right but I followed the tek exactly as it stated. The shitty part is that my friend also bought 10 twelve inch cuttings from that same flebay seller and we do not know what to do with them now. I certainly don’t want to go through all that trouble of cooking it and drinking that nasty shit and not even trip. I am thinking about hcl extraction. Any suggestions?




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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: overstand]
    #13981964 - 02/17/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've never partook but you say it wasn't bad to drink... i can only deduce that you did not prepare it correctly  :strokebeard:


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: zergroz]
    #13982046 - 02/17/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I dunno man. It was fucking disgusting but it did not make me gag or nauseous. It was more like some funky Arabic vegetable juice. I am a very meticulous person. I can cook all kinds of elaborate foods. Making cactus tea is not much more complicated that making jello.

Let me clarify something though. When I said that I boiled it, I mean that I simmered it on medium-low. At no time did I let it get to a rapid boil. Is it possible that any kind of bubbling means that it is too hot?

Do you guys think this looks like real San Padro?



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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: overstand]
    #13982142 - 02/17/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

trust me, san pedro can own your face if you take a good dose of it.

Theres a large difference in strength between cuttings, you drew a few duds. One such cutting should definitely be enough to trip fairly hard for quite a while.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: overstand]
    #13983758 - 02/18/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've heard apparently the ligher colour san pedro's, with the lighter green and yellowish tinge are not as potent, the dark coloured san pedro specimens are the ones people generally go for.


Also i thought people were supposed to do 3 sets of cooks with the material and using lots of lemon/lime juice or vinegar or something to help draw out all the goodies, then reduce the final solution down to a manageable ammount.

also the cuttings look like they are a bit less then one foot in length though, maybe this could also explain why not as much effects were felt.


Apparently 2foot of thick cactus is a solid dose.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: overstand]
    #13984440 - 02/18/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Cactus is always a gamble. Your best bet is to take a large amount in a setting where you could trip hard, although most of the time you won't trip hard.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: overstand]
    #13985070 - 02/18/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I followed a tek that I found on erowid; freeze, thaw, chop, blend, boil for 6 - 7 hours, strain and drink.




IME this way rarely ever works. And even when it does the cactus is always a lot weaker. However, as far as simple boiling goes, I always got better results using lime-juice during the extraction and, still, I would have to boil and restrain the leftovers about 3-4 times to get a somewhat potent batch (with 2 12-inch cuttings being a strong enough dose for a 8-16 hour trip per person).

If you have fresh cuttings it's usually better to just slice them up into strips, dry them out and just eat the dry strips themselves. Eating dried cactus chips from cuttings always seems to serve me better than boiling a concoction and straining it. I find that aside from extractions and encapsulations - eating dry strips is one of the easiest ways to consume cactus.


Otherwise all that, if you're going to take the time to boil cactus for 8 hours about 3-4 times (if you want a potent dose that is) you mine as well find a way to dry and pulverize the cactus (or buy it powdered) and do an A/B extraction with some pickling lime, d-limonene and vinegar. This will give you a fairly pure profile of alkaloids. You'll know more accurately how much you're dosing and, pretty much, ensure a decent trip is in the works.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: Remix]
    #13985134 - 02/18/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"although most of the time you won't trip hard"

WHAT? So basicly you are saying cacti are a waste of time?
Have you tried it many times? What teks have you used?


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: overstand] * 1
    #13985318 - 02/18/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What we do:


1..cut the carefully de-spined cutting into stars 1/3 inch thick
2..freeze the stars solid
3..put in the blender with the same amount of water or juice
4..blenderize the crap out of it in short bursts to minimize foaming
5..press through a dishwashing cloth to remove a minimum of rinds
6..serve cold in water glasses.

500gr cutting + 500ml water/juice = 1 liter = 5 glasses.

With good cuttings, I myself can take care of my needs completely with 1-2 glasses. My more hardcore friend aims for 4-6 glasses usually.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: overstand]
    #13986974 - 02/18/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have tried it plenty of times and I think 12 inches is usually too mild. Higher doses are definitely worth it though. Also have you seen the dosage chart for mescaline? http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mescaline/mescaline_dose.shtml

Doubling your dose will make it much more than twice as strong. Anyway I would dose higher, and boil and strain three times.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: Moo456] * 1
    #13991635 - 02/19/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If prepared properly, san pedro tea will certainly make you nauseous if a 1-2 foot dose is taken.  I usually fight to keep it down from the one hour mark to the three hour purge point.

I've never messed with any of the freezing, or even blending for that matter... It has never failed for me to just chop into stars and then cut each star into 5 pieces.  I boil for no less than 6 hours.

My first experience with 2 feet blew my mind... I had no idea Mescaline held that much psychedelic power.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: CactusFan]
    #13994603 - 02/20/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

When dosing San Pedro, I wouldn't do less than two feet.  It's just not worth it.  If using powder, I boil 100 grams of it, dry it to a tar, gelcap and eat it.  That's usually a good trip.

If you want a guaranteed strong trip, buy bridgesii.  I've never been disappointed with it.  That is one consistently powerful cactus, even using a skinny 12 incher.  Fuck San Pedro, it's too inconsistent for the casual user.  Get yourself some bridgesii, you'll never eat another type of cactus again.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: joemolloy]
    #13997551 - 02/20/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for all the replies. This seems like a great forum! Because of your replies I have decided to not give up on cacti yet.
I think bridgesii is next on the agenda.


I have a question for experienced people. Is bridgesii really more consistent than Trichocereus Pachanoi?


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: overstand]
    #13997871 - 02/20/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yes. Bridgesii has never not made me trip. Most of the time I can take doses that involve half as much cactus as w/ SP or TP and have equally powerful trips.

But, at the same time, it's a bit different in the experience it brings. I would say it seems more similar to peyote in its effects, so keep that in mind.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: Remix]
    #13998354 - 02/20/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

alot of people say bridgesii is alot darker of a trip as well, so keep that in mind also.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #13999701 - 02/21/11 06:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have found bridgesii to be indistinguishable from high doses of good San Pedro.  The only difference that I can notice is that it feels like I am tripping harder.  The visuals are more pronounced, the head trip is intensified, and the world is more beautiful.

Everyone gets their own mileage though.  Good luck.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: joemolloy]
    #14040533 - 02/28/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A foot of Pedro and a foot of Bridgesii together make a wonderful brew.

The OP's pedros look kinda small-ish. I'm not surprised you didn't feel anything. Small cuttings are for planting and getting mature plants to harvest from after years of care when alkaloid levels are high enough to provide an experience that is worth the trouble of all the prep work.


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #14097128 - 03/10/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've been planning on extracting the alkaloids from San Pedro so I'm wondering if mixing the San Pedro and the Bridgesii in the brew would yield different results than just San Pedro alone?


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Re: Very disappointed with San Pedro! [Re: TagoMago]
    #14173073 - 03/23/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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