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Slant Drilling.
    #1398134 - 03/21/03 11:59 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

can anyone prove or at least show some evidense to support that kuwait was illegally tapping into iraq's oil?


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: ]
    #1398162 - 03/21/03 12:11 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Thats a god idea. While youre looking can you find some evidence that Iraq still has chemical weapons....



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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: ]
    #1398165 - 03/21/03 12:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

seriously tho, I remember some sources on this- I will try to dig up something reliable on it.


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: ]
    #1398170 - 03/21/03 12:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Even if true, it was a shitty reason to attack Kuwait. Not to mention a huge mistake.


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: pattern]
    #1398175 - 03/21/03 12:17 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It's as good as reason as any...Waging a war for oil is all the rage these days.


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: pattern]
    #1398197 - 03/21/03 12:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

it was only a huge mistake because america decided to reverse their position. i guess after being given chemical weapons and a pat on the back from the white house after using them, saddam thought he was operating with a carte blanche. now the US is using whatever bullshit excuse it can throw out to justify the biggest one sided slaughter in the history of modern warfare. what humanitarians those americans are. two faced ethnic fucking cleansing mother fuckers


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: rhizo]
    #1398201 - 03/21/03 12:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

anyone?


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: rhizo]
    #1398205 - 03/21/03 12:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

> It's as good as reason as any...
> Waging a war for oil is all the rage these days.

No wonder I have no oil. Thats it! I'm buying a gun and robbing Esso.


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: rhizo]
    #1398222 - 03/21/03 12:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

the biggest one sided slaughter in the history of modern warfare.

See, its comments like these that deplete your credibility. I know you're smart, but come on man. Do you honestly think more will die in Iraq than in say, the holocaust, hell even in Rwanda? Dude, that is a pretty silly statement.


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Anonymous

Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: ]
    #1398338 - 03/21/03 01:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

3 and a half hours...


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: ]
    #1398365 - 03/21/03 01:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

all right folks... as that it's a friday night and i'm currently living within the state college, pa. city limits... it's time to go get enebriated with about 30,000 other people.

when i get back, i want some proof dammit! proof of this slant drilling!


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Anonymous

Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: ]
    #1399595 - 03/22/03 04:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

hmm... i guess this is just a rumor, otherwise our saddam fans would be clamoring to prove it.


Edited by Anonymous (03/22/03 04:09 AM)


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: ]
    #1399747 - 03/22/03 06:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

hmm... i guess this is just a rumor, otherwise our saddam fans would be clamoring to prove it.




Saddam fans. Kind of a lame thing to say. Or do you have certain posters in mind, beyond those simply against the war?

As for slant-drilling: try doing a search--you'll find reports of allegations, reports of denials. Proof? hard to say.




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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: hongomon]
    #1399855 - 03/22/03 07:12 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Or do you have certain posters in mind, beyond those simply against the war?

i do indeed.

i'm well aware that being against the war doesn't mean that you like saddam hussein. i'm against the war and i don't like him.

As for slant-drilling: try doing a search--you'll find reports of allegations, reports of denials. Proof? hard to say.

i think i shall.


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: ]
    #1399874 - 03/22/03 07:23 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

yep. just did a search. it does seem like slant drilling was indeed a reality. silly me.


Edited by Anonymous (03/22/03 07:45 AM)


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: ]
    #1399947 - 03/22/03 08:11 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Iraq accused Kuwait of slant drilling. A formal investigation of these charges was never made by a neutral body so there is no definite proof.


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: GazzBut]
    #1400031 - 03/22/03 08:58 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

during the 1990 negotiations between Iraq and Kuwait, held in Saudi Arabia, kuwaiti crown prince saad al-abdallah al-sabah recognized the theft of the oil. the conflict was over how much was actually stolen and how much should be repayed.

here's something:

http://squawk.ca/lbo-talk/0211/0327.html

"Slant drilling by Kuwait in the Iraqi Rumullah oil field was a very small
part of Iraq's complaint. It was tacked on at the very end, along with
the claim that Kuwait was building tiny towns on disputed Iraqi territory
and annexing it. Both claims were seemingly tacked on in a bid to bolster
Iraq's claim that the economic war that it alleged Kuwait was waging on it
was the equivalent of military war, and could reasonably be answered by
same. Because although both were small in amount, they were both about
violating territorial boundaries.


But Iraq's claims were much bigger and wouldn't at all have been satisifed
even if Kuwait entirely ceased slant drilling and paid back the full (and
I assume exaggerated) amount Iraq estimated Kuwait had stolen, which was
$2.4 billion dollars. Iraq wanted much more than that. It wanted Kuwait
to forgive the 10 billion dollars it had loaned during the Iran/Iraq war
on the grounds that Iraq was defending the entire Arab world. Iraq
thought Kuwait should be grateful that it had only had to pay money where
she had paid in blood. Furthermore, Iraq said repeatedly at meetings of
the Arab League that not only should all war loans be forgiven her, but
she needed an immediate influx of 30 billion dollars because she was
devasted. And, just as importantly, she needed the price of oil to be
raised to $25 a barrel, which she assumed was entirely without OPEC's
gift. And lastly, that oil price hike had to be accomplished by other
countries cutting back their production to their stated quotas so that
Iraq could increase production to pre-war levels at a price of $25 a
barrel.


Saudi Arabia immediately forgave the loans and gave more money and kept to
quota. Kuwait, on the other hand, opposed it on all counts and then some.
It refused to forgive the 10 billion loan and it refused to give it the 10
billion dollars it now demanded as a payment of gratitude for having
defended it against Iran. And even more provokingly, it seemed to think
Iraq should be grateful to *it* for loaning it the money. And then
worst of all, it seemed to see its present weakness as an opportunity to
screw more out of it. Because Kuwait (as well as the UAE) not only didn't
abide by OPEC guidelines, it was actively flooding the market with oil,
intentionally it seems meaning to bring Iraq to her knees to get her to
promise to resolve the border and island disputes and to pay back the
loan.


Furthermore, this behavior had been going on to a lesser but still
considerable extent all during the Iran/Iraq war. For the whole second
half of the 80s the price of oil was depressed in large part because of
excess Kuwaiti production to the outrage of both participants. This
came to a head when Iran, who paid for its war expenses out of pocket
rather than out of loans, attacked Kuwaiti ships, and the US and Britain
put them under our flags. And Kuwait had continually tried to force Iraq
to sign away border rights and rights to the two islands in return for
loaning it money and was continually outraged that Iraq never moderated
its claims. "


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Re: Slant Drilling. [Re: rhizo]
    #1400081 - 03/22/03 09:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Yep...

"....and weaponry and, in the case of Washington, told Saddam it was agnostic about his border dispute with Kuwait just prior to Iraq's invasion in August 1990 (US Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam in 1990 that "We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait". The U.S. State Department reinforced this message by declaring that Washington had "no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait" (Mearsheimer & Walt 2002, p.5). "
From here

Still looking for a good source for you...


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