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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: Batty Koda] * 1
    #14000918 - 02/21/11 12:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Completely false dichotomy.  And a lie as well.  Unions have been declining in the private sector for decades and people aren't "earn(ing) peanuts, get(ting) no benefits, work(ing) 14 hours a day six days a week".  Your entire premise is a lie.  Go back the babbling Trotskyite echo chamber you came from.


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14001001 - 02/21/11 12:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Completely false dichotomy.  And a lie as well.  Unions have been declining in the private sector for decades and people aren't "earn(ing) peanuts, get(ting) no benefits, work(ing) 14 hours a day six days a week".  Your entire premise is a lie.  Go back the babbling Trotskyite echo chamber you came from.



Alright calm down a bit. Real wages have been declining in America for decades, they reached their peak around the time that the labor movement was strongest, the 60's.
http://www.kyklosproductions.com/articles/wages.html
What is this "false dichotomy" your accusing me of? Are you saying employers felt a pang of guilt for all those years treating workers like dirt and decided to improve their conditions? Beacause that obviously didn't happen, what happened was workers realised they could band together to demand fair treatment and refuse to work if they got a raw deal. We now take the rights that they fought to obtain for granted, people like you do anyway.

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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: Batty Koda]
    #14001217 - 02/21/11 12:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The false dichotomy is that the only alternative to unionization is "earn(ing) peanuts, get(ting) no benefits, work(ing) 14 hours a day six days a week".  It is 100% untrue.

All what years treating employees like dirt?  Not in my lifetime and I suspect that's twice as long as yours at least.  You still fighting the Wobblies battles from the 1930s?  Get out of your Trotskyite echo chamber.


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14001430 - 02/21/11 01:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The labor movement dates back to the industrial revolution when workers WERE treated like dirt. The movement fought for the labor rights we have today, industrialists didn't give up their right to treat people like shit without a fight. There haven't been any decent unions in Britian while I've been alive, I don't know how it is in the US, as pointed out earlier in the thread these days union leader are corrupt sacks of dog shit willing to fritter away at their members benefits in order to get invited to fancy parties thrown by rich cunts.

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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: Batty Koda]
    #14001467 - 02/21/11 01:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The industrial revolution is long over here in the states.  There is (by and large) no place for unions anymore, they are monopolies on labor that have all the trappings and conflicts of interest that corporate monopolies have.

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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: DieCommie]
    #14001547 - 02/21/11 01:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If you allow Obama and his insane Tea Party mates to bust the unions then they'll start slashing away at public sector AND private sector pay. This will send the economy into a death spiral, this is obvious to anyone who knows about economics, the private sector doesn't "fill the gaps of the public sector", the private sector RELIES on the public sector, those public sector workers spend their wages in the private sector, if you build a motorway you provide demand for materials in the private sector. If you start slashing away at budgets you'll end up like California, fucked. Arnie cut the budget every year and as a result the deficit rose every year.

Instead of slashing public sector jobs, tax the banks, cut military spending, abolish the CIA, and cut the salaries of useless government bureaucrats who are on over over $200,000 a year.

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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14001563 - 02/21/11 01:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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So we got all our demands and no dues. :lol:




Guess what my response to employee demands was.  Come on, guess.





Doesn't matter to me. We got fair treatment which is what we were after. The new management agreed that there was management corruption and unfair treatment that went against their own stated intent.  The old manager left, her financial manager was arrested for fraud and imprisioned . All good shit.


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14001589 - 02/21/11 01:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Great video someone shared with me.  It helps to show why people are upset as they are.  I am not very invested in political matters, but it does seem like this bill popped out of no where a week ago and the methods of getting it through have been less  than ethical.



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Video has been removed by the user.




I'm sure it was utterly brilliant.
 

There is nothing unethical, improper or surprising about this bill.  What is unethical, though not surprising, is the behavior of the teachers going on an illegal and fraudulent strike, doctors writing fake sick notes, and the cowardly Democrat legislators who ran out on their jobs.  The People of Wisconsin had an election last November and they flipped the state Republican expressly for the purpose of doing stuff like this.  The people spoke and the fucking losers need to accept it.






here it is again if you are still interested.  it reached over 170,000 views before being taken down shortly after i posted it for some reason.


Edited by snitchelpowerz37 (02/21/11 01:58 PM)

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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: Batty Koda]
    #14001935 - 02/21/11 02:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Batty Koda said:
If you allow Obama and his insane Tea Party mates to bust the unions then they'll start slashing away at public sector AND private sector pay. This will send the economy into a death spiral, this is obvious to anyone who knows about economics, the private sector doesn't "fill the gaps of the public sector", the private sector RELIES on the public sector, those public sector workers spend their wages in the private sector, if you build a motorway you provide demand for materials in the private sector. If you start slashing away at budgets you'll end up like California, fucked. Arnie cut the budget every year and as a result the deficit rose every year.

Instead of slashing public sector jobs, tax the banks, cut military spending, abolish the CIA, and cut the salaries of useless government bureaucrats who are on over over $200,000 a year.



There is so much bullshit here it must be dealt with piecemeal

1.  "If you allow Obama and his insane Tea Party mates"

Obama and his Tea Party mates?  You have no idea what you're talking about.  And defining a huge percentage of the population as insane is plain ignorant

2.  "they'll start slashing away at public sector AND private sector pay."

The only pay they can "slash" away it is government employee pay.  Private pay is none of the government's business.  Factor in that public sector wages have risen much more than the wages of the people who pay them and there is ample justification to hammer the public sector pay rates.  Ample.

3.  "This will send the economy into a death spiral," 

The single greatest cause of any economic "death spiral" is grotesque pension and health care benefits provided by the government either to employees of the government or thorough soc sec and medicare/medicaid. 

4.  "the private sector RELIES on the public sector,"  You got that exactly backwards.  The private sector can do without the public sector far better than the public sector can do without the private sector. 

5.  "those public sector workers spend their wages in the private sector," 

Wages paid to them by the private sector.

6.  "if you build a motorway you provide demand for materials in the private sector"

Increase confiscation of private resources to fund public jobs so that a small portion will drift back to the private sector?  I got a better idea.  Leave the money in the private sector.  By the way, public employees do not build roads.  Sensible public spending on projects that benefit the whole are worthwhile.  Useless make work jobs just to spend money we don't have is stupid and harmful.

7.  "If you start slashing away at budgets you'll end up like California, fucked."

California is well and truly fucked but it isn't because they cut spending.  California is fucked because of pension obligations, health care obligations, generous welfare and huge numbers of illegal immigrants utilizing services without paying taxes.  Budget cuts?  Nope.

8.  "Arnie cut the budget every year and as a result the deficit rose every year."

Aside from the fact that Arnie was not a dictator it is simply a lie to say thatspending in California was cut.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=2000_2010&view=1&expand=&units=b&fy=fy10&chart=F0-total&bar=1&stack=1&size=m&title=&state=CA&color=c&local=s
It rose every single year from 2000 through 2009/10 projections with an increase over that period of almost double.  Double.

9.  "Instead of slashing public sector jobs, tax the banks, cut military spending, abolish the CIA, and cut the salaries of useless government bureaucrats who are on over over $200,000 a year."

Isn't the military the public sector?  And why only cut useless bureaucrats making more than $200K?  Why not cut all the useless bureaucrats?  Abolishing the CIA is a stunningly ignorant idea and the banks are already taxed heavily, as are the shareholders of the banks and pretty much anybody who makes any kind of real money in this country.  Almost half of the population pays zero in income tax as it is and a very small portion pay for almost everything.

You're just another one looking for a handout.


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: Icelander]
    #14001951 - 02/21/11 02:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Icelander said:

So we got all our demands and no dues. :lol:




Guess what my response to employee demands was.  Come on, guess.





Doesn't matter to me. We got fair treatment which is what we were after. The new management agreed that there was management corruption and unfair treatment that went against their own stated intent.  The old manager left, her financial manager was arrested for fraud and imprisioned . All good shit.



Didn't even try, huh?  I'll answer anyway.  My response was nothing.  Nobody ever made any demands.  Ever.  They made requests, which I sometimes granted and sometimes denied, but nobody ever made any fucking demands.


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14002789 - 02/21/11 05:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Batty Koda said:
If you allow Obama and his insane Tea Party mates to bust the unions then they'll start slashing away at public sector AND private sector pay. This will send the economy into a death spiral, this is obvious to anyone who knows about economics, the private sector doesn't "fill the gaps of the public sector", the private sector RELIES on the public sector, those public sector workers spend their wages in the private sector, if you build a motorway you provide demand for materials in the private sector. If you start slashing away at budgets you'll end up like California, fucked. Arnie cut the budget every year and as a result the deficit rose every year.

Instead of slashing public sector jobs, tax the banks, cut military spending, abolish the CIA, and cut the salaries of useless government bureaucrats who are on over over $200,000 a year.



There is so much bullshit here it must be dealt with piecemeal

1.  "If you allow Obama and his insane Tea Party mates"

Obama and his Tea Party mates?  You have no idea what you're talking about.  And defining a huge percentage of the population as insane is plain ignorant

2.  "they'll start slashing away at public sector AND private sector pay."

The only pay they can "slash" away it is government employee pay.  Private pay is none of the government's business.  Factor in that public sector wages have risen much more than the wages of the people who pay them and there is ample justification to hammer the public sector pay rates.  Ample.

3.  "This will send the economy into a death spiral," 

The single greatest cause of any economic "death spiral" is grotesque pension and health care benefits provided by the government either to employees of the government or thorough soc sec and medicare/medicaid. 

4.  "the private sector RELIES on the public sector,"  You got that exactly backwards.  The private sector can do without the public sector far better than the public sector can do without the private sector. 

5.  "those public sector workers spend their wages in the private sector," 

Wages paid to them by the private sector.

6.  "if you build a motorway you provide demand for materials in the private sector"

Increase confiscation of private resources to fund public jobs so that a small portion will drift back to the private sector?  I got a better idea.  Leave the money in the private sector.  By the way, public employees do not build roads.  Sensible public spending on projects that benefit the whole are worthwhile.  Useless make work jobs just to spend money we don't have is stupid and harmful.

7.  "If you start slashing away at budgets you'll end up like California, fucked."

California is well and truly fucked but it isn't because they cut spending.  California is fucked because of pension obligations, health care obligations, generous welfare and huge numbers of illegal immigrants utilizing services without paying taxes.  Budget cuts?  Nope.

8.  "Arnie cut the budget every year and as a result the deficit rose every year."

Aside from the fact that Arnie was not a dictator it is simply a lie to say thatspending in California was cut.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=2000_2010&view=1&expand=&units=b&fy=fy10&chart=F0-total&bar=1&stack=1&size=m&title=&state=CA&color=c&local=s
It rose every single year from 2000 through 2009/10 projections with an increase over that period of almost double.  Double.

9.  "Instead of slashing public sector jobs, tax the banks, cut military spending, abolish the CIA, and cut the salaries of useless government bureaucrats who are on over over $200,000 a year."

Isn't the military the public sector?  And why only cut useless bureaucrats making more than $200K?  Why not cut all the useless bureaucrats?  Abolishing the CIA is a stunningly ignorant idea and the banks are already taxed heavily, as are the shareholders of the banks and pretty much anybody who makes any kind of real money in this country.  Almost half of the population pays zero in income tax as it is and a very small portion pay for almost everything.

You're just another one looking for a handout.



1. Strange bedfellows, they're both union-busters, that's why obama won't support the strikes, duh. The Tea Party minions are idiots, the Tea Party politicians are insane.
2. They want to break ALL unions. It's irrelevant whether the private sector is getting screwed, maybe they should form some unions?
3. No it's not, the banks caused the crisis, the citizens bailed them out, now Obama is trying to cut the public sector budget to pay for the bankers' fraud. But this will only make things worse.
4. they both rely on each other.
5.Yeah, that's called economics.
6.Nearly all that money ends up back in the private sector and we get infrastructure and jobs out of it.. The only extra cost is the raw materials used in construction.
7. The housing market crash and general depressed economy ruined California, the budget cuts made it worse.
8. I'll accept that total spending increased from '08 to '09 and '09 to '10. but you have to factor in inflation and interest on debts ect. The public sector faced cuts, this is common knowledge.
9. Military spending goes mainly to the Military-Industrial-Complex. You misinterpreted what I said about bureaucrats, I meant get rid of the useless bureaucrats, who generally earn over $200,000, not specifically those who earn over $200,000. What does the CIA do for the American people apart from blow up skyscrapers, smuggle drugs and blackmail politicians? Nothing. The banks are NOT taxed heavily, they pay themselves $150,000,000,000 a year in bonuses, taxpayers money of course. I don't hear you complaining about the $10+ trillion of Private sector money GIVEN to the banks.

I don't live in America so no I'm not after a handout.

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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14002820 - 02/21/11 05:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Icelander said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Icelander said:

So we got all our demands and no dues. :lol:




Guess what my response to employee demands was.  Come on, guess.





Doesn't matter to me. We got fair treatment which is what we were after. The new management agreed that there was management corruption and unfair treatment that went against their own stated intent.  The old manager left, her financial manager was arrested for fraud and imprisioned . All good shit.



Didn't even try, huh?  I'll answer anyway.  My response was nothing.  Nobody ever made any demands.  Ever.  They made requests, which I sometimes granted and sometimes denied, but nobody ever made any fucking demands.




Actually you are quite correct and I am in error.  They were requests.  They acted appropriately (IMO) even though we pushed the issue.


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: Batty Koda]
    #14002881 - 02/21/11 05:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Batty Koda said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Batty Koda said:
If you allow Obama and his insane Tea Party mates to bust the unions then they'll start slashing away at public sector AND private sector pay. This will send the economy into a death spiral, this is obvious to anyone who knows about economics, the private sector doesn't "fill the gaps of the public sector", the private sector RELIES on the public sector, those public sector workers spend their wages in the private sector, if you build a motorway you provide demand for materials in the private sector. If you start slashing away at budgets you'll end up like California, fucked. Arnie cut the budget every year and as a result the deficit rose every year.

Instead of slashing public sector jobs, tax the banks, cut military spending, abolish the CIA, and cut the salaries of useless government bureaucrats who are on over over $200,000 a year.



There is so much bullshit here it must be dealt with piecemeal

1.  "If you allow Obama and his insane Tea Party mates"

Obama and his Tea Party mates?  You have no idea what you're talking about.  And defining a huge percentage of the population as insane is plain ignorant

2.  "they'll start slashing away at public sector AND private sector pay."

The only pay they can "slash" away it is government employee pay.  Private pay is none of the government's business.  Factor in that public sector wages have risen much more than the wages of the people who pay them and there is ample justification to hammer the public sector pay rates.  Ample.

3.  "This will send the economy into a death spiral," 

The single greatest cause of any economic "death spiral" is grotesque pension and health care benefits provided by the government either to employees of the government or thorough soc sec and medicare/medicaid. 

4.  "the private sector RELIES on the public sector,"  You got that exactly backwards.  The private sector can do without the public sector far better than the public sector can do without the private sector. 

5.  "those public sector workers spend their wages in the private sector," 

Wages paid to them by the private sector.

6.  "if you build a motorway you provide demand for materials in the private sector"

Increase confiscation of private resources to fund public jobs so that a small portion will drift back to the private sector?  I got a better idea.  Leave the money in the private sector.  By the way, public employees do not build roads.  Sensible public spending on projects that benefit the whole are worthwhile.  Useless make work jobs just to spend money we don't have is stupid and harmful.

7.  "If you start slashing away at budgets you'll end up like California, fucked."

California is well and truly fucked but it isn't because they cut spending.  California is fucked because of pension obligations, health care obligations, generous welfare and huge numbers of illegal immigrants utilizing services without paying taxes.  Budget cuts?  Nope.

8.  "Arnie cut the budget every year and as a result the deficit rose every year."

Aside from the fact that Arnie was not a dictator it is simply a lie to say thatspending in California was cut.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=2000_2010&view=1&expand=&units=b&fy=fy10&chart=F0-total&bar=1&stack=1&size=m&title=&state=CA&color=c&local=s
It rose every single year from 2000 through 2009/10 projections with an increase over that period of almost double.  Double.

9.  "Instead of slashing public sector jobs, tax the banks, cut military spending, abolish the CIA, and cut the salaries of useless government bureaucrats who are on over over $200,000 a year."

Isn't the military the public sector?  And why only cut useless bureaucrats making more than $200K?  Why not cut all the useless bureaucrats?  Abolishing the CIA is a stunningly ignorant idea and the banks are already taxed heavily, as are the shareholders of the banks and pretty much anybody who makes any kind of real money in this country.  Almost half of the population pays zero in income tax as it is and a very small portion pay for almost everything.

You're just another one looking for a handout.



1. Strange bedfellows, they're both union-busters, that's why obama won't support the strikes, duh. The Tea Party minions are idiots, the Tea Party politicians are insane.
2. They want to break ALL unions. It's irrelevant whether the private sector is getting screwed, maybe they should form some unions?
3. No it's not, the banks caused the crisis, the citizens bailed them out, now Obama is trying to cut the public sector budget to pay for the bankers' fraud. But this will only make things worse.
4. they both rely on each other.
5.Yeah, that's called economics.
6.Nearly all that money ends up back in the private sector and we get infrastructure and jobs out of it.. The only extra cost is the raw materials used in construction.
7. The housing market crash and general depressed economy ruined California, the budget cuts made it worse.
8. I'll accept that total spending increased from '08 to '09 and '09 to '10. but you have to factor in inflation and interest on debts ect. The public sector faced cuts, this is common knowledge.
9. Military spending goes mainly to the Military-Industrial-Complex. You misinterpreted what I said about bureaucrats, I meant get rid of the useless bureaucrats, who generally earn over $200,000, not specifically those who earn over $200,000. What does the CIA do for the American people apart from blow up skyscrapers, smuggle drugs and blackmail politicians? Nothing. The banks are NOT taxed heavily, they pay themselves $150,000,000,000 a year in bonuses, taxpayers money of course. I don't hear you complaining about the $10+ trillion of Private sector money GIVEN to the banks.

I don't live in America so no I'm not after a handout.




This explains why you have no fucking idea what you're talking about regarding the US.  Just to take one example, out of the many, you state that bankers pay themselves with taxpayer money.  They do not.  They pay themselves with money they earned investing.  As far as the bailouts go the banks have actually netted the taxpayer quite a nice return.  A profit.  Not to mention that the individual bankers pay enormous amounts in personal income tax.  Enormous.  What entities have not returned a profit for the taxpayer?  Union destroyed and owned automobile companies.  $10T given to banks?  What the fuck is that babble?  Are you talking about bank deposits?  :flowstone:


For an education on just who pays the fucking bills in this country go here:

# The top 1 percent: Americans who earned an adjusted gross income of $410,096 or more accounted for 22.8 percent of all wages. But they paid 40.4 percent of total reported income taxes, an increase from 39.9 percent in 2006, according to the IRS.

# The top 5 percent: Americans who earned $160,041 or more accounted for 37.4 percent of all wages in 2007. But they paid 60.6 percent of the country's total reported income taxes, up from 60.1 percent a year earlier.

The rich people in this country pay a grotesquely inflated share of the taxes already.  Almost half the country pays nothing.


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14002901 - 02/21/11 05:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The rich people in this country pay a grotesquely inflated share of the taxes already.  Almost half the country pays nothing.




The rich people need to get together, organize, and protest this grave injustice. :protest:

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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14002910 - 02/21/11 05:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Or leave.  What the bums will do if that happens I shudder to think.


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14003012 - 02/21/11 06:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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HippieChick8 said:
zappaisgod said:
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The rich people in this country pay a grotesquely inflated share of the taxes already.  Almost half the country pays nothing.




The rich people need to get together, organize, and protest this grave injustice. :protest:





I'm paying nothing this year.  Course I didn't make anything.:lol:


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: Icelander]
    #14003286 - 02/21/11 06:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:cool:
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Icelander said:
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HippieChick8 said:
zappaisgod said:
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The rich people in this country pay a grotesquely inflated share of the taxes already.  Almost half the country pays nothing.




The rich people need to get together, organize, and protest this grave injustice. :protest:





I'm paying nothing this year.  Course I didn't make anything.:lol:




For the 1st time in a long time I'm paying nothing as well.  I don't need a huge amount of luxury so I don't need to work too much for a corporation or institution to pay the bills.  My husband's carpentry work just picked up quite a bit in the last month, though.  He works for a lot of middle class folks like us. :cool:

@Zappa
You mentioned that you are into comfort and luxury.  I do not need as much as you.  So why the fuck should *I* work to invent, or support the invention of any newfangled luxury?  I work part time at a college and I work on my homestead to build up and maintain *my* food supply.  I don't give a shit about your overblown "needs". Get all your rich cronies together and go on strike for all I care.  Stop crying like a bitch about your taxes and do it already :flipthebird:

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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14003349 - 02/21/11 07:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The rich people in this country pay a grotesquely inflated share of the taxes already.  Almost half the country pays nothing.




The rich people need to get together, organize, and protest this grave injustice. :protest:





I'm paying nothing this year.  Course I didn't make anything.:lol:




For the 1st time in a long time I'm paying nothing as well.  I don't need a huge amount of luxury so I don't need to work too much for a corporation or institution to pay the bills.  My husband's carpentry work just picked up quite a bit in the last month, though.  He works for a lot of middle class folks like us. :cool:

@Zappa
You mentioned that you are into comfort and luxury.  I do not need as much as you.  So why the fuck should *I* work to invent, or support the invention of any newfangled luxury?  I work part time at a college and I work on my homestead to build up and maintain *my* food supply.  I don't give a shit about your overblown "needs". Get all your rich cronies together and go on strike for all I care.  Stop crying like a bitch about your taxes and do it already :flipthebird:




Just countering your lies, sweetheart.

I don;t care what you choose to provide for yourself, nor should you care what I choose to provide for myself.  What I don't like is providing for useless bums so they can continue to suck at my teats.  You, of course, know nothing of that.


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: Batty Koda]
    #14003373 - 02/21/11 07:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

> Would you like everyone who's not self employed to earn peanuts, get no benefits, work 14 hours a day six days a week? Because that's the situation we'd be in without the labor movement.

What God died and made you omnipotent?  And what does "the labor movement" have to do with unions?


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Re: illinois beats wisconsin... [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14006264 - 02/22/11 08:14 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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HippieChick8 said:
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Icelander said:
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HippieChick8 said:
zappaisgod said:
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The rich people in this country pay a grotesquely inflated share of the taxes already.  Almost half the country pays nothing.




The rich people need to get together, organize, and protest this grave injustice. :protest:





I'm paying nothing this year.  Course I didn't make anything.:lol:




For the 1st time in a long time I'm paying nothing as well.  I don't need a huge amount of luxury so I don't need to work too much for a corporation or institution to pay the bills.  My husband's carpentry work just picked up quite a bit in the last month, though.  He works for a lot of middle class folks like us. :cool:

@Zappa
You mentioned that you are into comfort and luxury.  I do not need as much as you.  So why the fuck should *I* work to invent, or support the invention of any newfangled luxury?  I work part time at a college and I work on my homestead to build up and maintain *my* food supply.  I don't give a shit about your overblown "needs". Get all your rich cronies together and go on strike for all I care.  Stop crying like a bitch about your taxes and do it already :flipthebird:



I don't think there's much point arguing with Zappa, he's so mindfucked that he's sticking up for the banks, who caused this mess then stole our money to keep themselves living the life of luxury. Maybe he is unaware that the rich pay a lot more tax because the richest 1% of the population own 40% of the wealth and the bottom 40% own less then 1%. I'd rather earn $10 Billion and pay half if it in tax then slave away at Mcdonalds on minimum wage and pay 20% of that in tax.

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