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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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killing ones ego without drugs
    #13979576 - 02/17/11 03:56 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

someone comes over to you and says he or she wants to kill his/her ego but they do not want to take any drugs/psycs (lsd/dmt/shrooms/peyote) to help them, what do you recommend them to do?



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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #13979611 - 02/17/11 04:00 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Bottle of Valium and a bottle Jack Daniels should do it.
Or a noose, or great fall...

Don't think one can be alive and kill their own ego. That begs to question, who is doing the killing?

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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism] * 1
    #13979652 - 02/17/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

^^^Thats another one my list of the few great questions.

I've had compete ego death both on and off drugs and maintained awareness.  So....who's watching?

Buddhists who can get into the high jhanas and things have debated endlessly.  It seems no matter how "far" you go there's always someone home.


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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Cups]
    #13979662 - 02/17/11 04:07 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Isn't that what we refer to as consciousness?
In which case, yeah, whotf knows.

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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
    #13979678 - 02/17/11 04:10 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Yeah. Isn't it more about who is asking the question? There is an observance of the question and an asking of the question, which are you and why?


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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #13979743 - 02/17/11 04:19 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

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skatealex2 said:
someone comes over to you and says he or she wants to kill his/her ego but they do not want to take any drugs/psycs (lsd/dmt/shrooms/peyote) to help them, what do you recommend them to do?



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Put a gun to their head and pull the trigger.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #13979770 - 02/17/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

There is an observance of the question and an asking of the question, which are you and why?

I've found it more helpful personally to ask "What is I?" rather than "Who am I?"
I am an interface for my memories and sensual experience. We all have an I, it's the experience that varies from person to person.

So that leaves me with this function of I and the observer. But I cannot be the observer, because then I would not be egoless, and I would be I.

Ya dig?
No, probably not. This is tying my brain into knots just trying to get it out. :grin:

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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
    #13979779 - 02/17/11 04:28 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Yeah the basic premise is no phenomenon can observe itself.

So at some point you seem to get to an irreducible observer of some kind.


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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Cups]
    #13979799 - 02/17/11 04:31 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Is this a product of the electricity in our brains?
Is this knit into the very fabric of the universe?
At the moment of conception was this feeling created or has it always been?
So many questions never to be answered.

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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
    #13979860 - 02/17/11 04:42 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Seems you touched on quality stuff. If I can not become the observer because the observer then becomes the observed, then what is that process? And are you that process or what observes that process?

You cannot capture what it means to be the observer because you can never truly be anything else. Trying to become what you already are is a quick way to start looping :lol:


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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Kickle]
    #13979882 - 02/17/11 04:48 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

:psychsplit::hotidea:

That's pretty much how you just made me feel.

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If I can not be the observer because the observer then becomes the observed, then what is that process?




I haven't a clue, but it feels about as mathematically fundamental as gravity and light. Whatever that means. :crazy2:

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You cannot capture what it means to be the observer because you can never truly be anything but.




An observer trying to observe itself? Why that sounds down right sinful. I can't really find a frame of reference for that, man. Feels like a fractal.

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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
    #13980009 - 02/17/11 05:09 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

IME the observer is most clearly understood when nothing else is happening.


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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Kickle]
    #13980021 - 02/17/11 05:12 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Like, outside stimulus?

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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
    #13980108 - 02/17/11 05:24 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

What is the difference between outside stimulation and inside stimulation in terms of observation?


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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Kickle]
    #13980122 - 02/17/11 05:28 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Good question, but I thought by yours that you were implying that there is a difference.
I was assuming that understanding the observer would come from some source of inner stimuli, no?
I need you to define "nothing else" for me.
Nothing else other than...the observer? What exactly?

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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
    #13980222 - 02/17/11 05:46 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

As the mind tries to figure this out, the observer already knows what it is. Be the observer and let the mind keep spinning until it uses up all its fuel. Then in the silence of being, what is there to become confused with?


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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #13980278 - 02/17/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

Then in the silence of being, what is there to become confused with?
Then in the silence of being, what is there to become confused?
Then in the silence of being, what is there?
Then in the silence of being, what is?


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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: skatealex2]
    #13984308 - 02/18/11 12:06 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

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skatealex2 said:
someone comes over to you and says he or she wants to kill his/her ego but they do not want to take any drugs/psycs (lsd/dmt/shrooms/peyote) to help them, what do you recommend them to do?



It is a matter of having the determination to break right through to the other side.
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: amuzakat]
    #13999619 - 02/21/11 04:32 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

You must live as if you are already dead. .
-Also from the Hagakure

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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: n.dangerously]
    #13999805 - 02/21/11 07:31 AM (13 years, 13 days ago)

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n.dangerously said:
You must live as if you are already dead. .
-Also from the Hagakure




I understand this quote but what I don't understand is what life would be like if everyone lived in this way...

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