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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #13983213 - 02/18/11 05:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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curiousgeorge91 said:just seems like a pain to inject most likely shitty spores into my brf cakes ya know...




So then why does it make sense to shoot your likely shitty spores into LC, then use that?
Agar is the answer.


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Doc_T]
    #13983215 - 02/18/11 05:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the guy is right. next to cleaning up a print you can select on vigor of growth. win all round.


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: virus1824]
    #13983442 - 02/18/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Agar would be the best but it's tricky if you're a noob. I'd just make up a pf jar really quick and shoot it up.


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Sanguine]
    #13983469 - 02/18/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Agar FTW
I personally feel that, as a community it is counter productive to always be telling folks that "agar id to to advanced for noobs" or "start using only pf tek"
These are the opinions of a small group of people.  It sems to meet that, if proper tek is followed agar in pf jars is a real possibility....
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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
    #13983474 - 02/18/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I do agar in pf jars. :shrug: You need a PC, but otherwise it's not a big deal.


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Doc_T]
    #13983512 - 02/18/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I do agar in pf jars. :shrug: You need a PC, but otherwise it's not a big deal.




Agreed that agar work itself isn't that tricky, but it requires good clean procedure, if you don't want to be fighting dishes full of contams all the time.

Working cleanly is a natural set of habits once you have some experience, but I think that's where new people would get tripped up with agar.  As careful and rehearsed as I am, I still often get little bacteria spots or occasional molds/trich.


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: andymc]
    #13983533 - 02/18/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I found a bacterial contam on a dish just this morning, it shows up really nice on colored agar.

But I agree with your point. Sterile procedure isn't something I give much thought to any more, I just do it.
OTOH, if you do get contams, you get feedback that you need to practice, so it should be basically self-correcting.


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Doc_T]
    #13983564 - 02/18/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I found a bacterial contam on a dish just this morning, it shows up really nice on colored agar.

But I agree with your point. Sterile procedure isn't something I give much thought to any more, I just do it.
OTOH, if you do get contams, you get feedback that you need to practice, so it should be basically self-correcting.



My point exactly (MPE) ....
Doc, your pfjar thread is what lead my thoughts to "why?"  With the lids you were talkin bout and a pc n cheapy SAB, anyone should be able to sucsessfully manipulate agar.
PF is prolly best for noobs with little other interest in the hobby....
Anyhow my thoughts...
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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
    #13983576 - 02/18/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Agreed. It's not as easy as spores into cakes, but it's easier than LC in the long run.
So appropriate for a second or third grow, anybody who has experienced at least one successful lifecyle.

Or in a case where somebody gets a bad syringe. Maybe it's time to just jump right in and learn agar first.


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Sanguine]
    #13983609 - 02/18/11 09:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Can you see the spores in the syringe




they didnt come in yet, and from what im reading its likely they wont even come. ill asses the situation when i get them i suppose


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #13983645 - 02/18/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

@ RP
:pm: me a safe addy n I will send you a free print. 
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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #13983654 - 02/18/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

All this use of of jargons and different teks that ive never heard of is making this whole process seem wayyy over my head. I just want to grow some shrooms so i can trip more often and not have to rely on when they are available, im not trying to become a mycologist. 

-Should i just cut my losses and quit, or is my goal still attainable within these parameters...?


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
    #13983665 - 02/18/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Jargon and teks is all about learning the language and the skills.
It's like any other hobby, like learning to bake cookies.
I can buy a pack of cookies, or I can make cookies at home from scratch.

All depends on what you want. If you just want to eat a cookie, that's cool.
But this stuff isn't very hard, and as hobbies go it's cheap and fun. :shrug:


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
    #13983675 - 02/18/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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boredcertified said:
Agar FTW
I personally feel that, as a community it is counter productive to always be telling folks that "agar id to to advanced for noobs" or "start using only pf tek"
These are the opinions of a small group of people.  It sems to meet that, if proper tek is followed agar in pf jars is a real possibility....
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I'm not saying agar too advanced, it's just really hard to do it clean if you don't have a good space to do it in or equipment to do it with. I don't know what the OPs skill set is or what equipment he has, but if this was gonna be his first grow I don't know if I'd recommend agar right away, there's a lot of potential for things to go wrong. The first time I did agar it didn't turn out the best. And I don't recommend noobs start with pf tek, my point was that the quickest and easiest way to test the syringe would just be to make up a brf jar.


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Sanguine]
    #13983681 - 02/18/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

LOL at equipment, I use a basic still air box, gloves, and pf jars. :lol:

Edit- agreed about shooting a BRF jar. :thumbup:


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Doc_T]
    #13983689 - 02/18/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

bummer...


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #13983693 - 02/18/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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All this use of of jargons and different teks that ive never heard of is making this whole process seem wayyy over my head. I just want to grow some shrooms so i can trip more often and not have to rely on when they are available, im not trying to become a mycologist. 

-Should i just cut my losses and quit, or is my goal still attainable within these parameters...?




Don't quit! I'd just wait to see if the syringe arrives, if it does and there's spores awesome, if not just get another syringe from a vendor and try again.


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: Sanguine]
    #13983697 - 02/18/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I guess i will have to make my decision based on the situation when the syringes come.

And well said Doc, that was very reassuring/inspirational haha


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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #13983705 - 02/18/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Curiousgeorge22 said:



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Puppets and trolls. :crankey:

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Re: I think i got ripped [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #13983727 - 02/18/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i got ripped off by micro tech, the syringes they sent me were cristal clear. i had the solution viewed under a microscope and the spores were damaged- some scored, some only half their- broken in half per say. how the hell does one damage something as tiny as a spore? i contacted them and they were shocked some one actualy looked at them under a microscope!!! my favorite part was them saying THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of spores are in there syringes- try only 96 in the b+ and only 63 in the keepers creepers syringe! and it was my fault for not using a sponcer, i now use ralphster spores and have had awsome results. fast collonization times and no contams. he also sends you free stuff- because he rocks!


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