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First Grow with PICS - Time to Dunk?? pg3
#13979627 - 02/17/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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So this is my first grow ever, following Pf-Tek for Simple Minds. The substrate I used was 6 cups vermiculite and 2 cups BRF (now I know to do a 2-1-1 ratio) in 12 1/2 pint jars.
I inoculated them on 1/25, so here I am 23 days later and these are what my jars look like:

 (Yep, they're sitting on their future fruiting chamber to pose for the pictures; I'm planning on following RR's a shotgun terrarium.)


I have not been incubating them since temperatures where I live range from 70-80. I've been keeping them in a non-translucent plastic container since there's no room in my closet, so they're not exposed to ambient light except for when I check on them every other day or so.
There hasn't been much growth these past few days - I'm hoping they're not stalled! How close would you say these jars are to full colonization? I feel like they're taking a long time - maybe because they didn't have enough BRF, and maybe because I'm using weird tall 1/2 pint jars instead of the short fat ones, but those were the only jars I could find. 
Comments? I'm a total noob to this, so constructive input is much appreciated.
Edit 3/6/11: So I lost 1 jar to contams, and the other 2 or 3 questionable jars were crumbled and cased into trays. The rest of the cakes were put into my fruiting chamber 5 days ago... and today I've got pins!!! My set-up's a SGFC that I mist and fan a lot.

Yeah they're super tiny but I'm still stoked.
Here are the 2 trays I crumbled/cased, the one on the left I'm afraid has cobweb.. what do you guys think?

Anyway, I'm excited to take some photos of the little pins as they grow...
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Teemo said: Alright, so here I am 3 days later and I've got some more pics for you guys...
These are my best cakes:
 Regarding the first pic - the veil is broken, right? Should I pick it? It's still kinda small, so I'm hoping maybe it'll grow some more...
Now here are my other cakes & trays which show no signs of pins..
 The ones circled in red are the cakes with no growth. I did have a wonky ratio of BRF-verm, so maybe they just don't have enough nutrients to grow... but if this is all I'm gonna get, I gotta say I must be doing something really wrong. Especially looking at the great flush as demonstrated in RR's videos..
Is there anything I can do at this point for my 3 cakes and 2 trays that aren't showing any progress? Should I try coldshocking them, or should I just be more patient?
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Teemo said: Alright, upon McDude's advice, a couple days ago, I picked those first 2 shrooms since they were dropping spores...
 That black on the one is spores, I think, since it was directly under the gill! And actually, the one without black sort of picked itself. One hour, it was on the cake..the next hour, its weight had made it fall off!
Then these 2 guys started dropping their spores:

So I picked those 2 off:

I'm currently fan drying the latter 2. The first 2 are almost cracker dry - I sun-dried them for a while, then fan-dried them. Gonna grab some desiccant later and finish drying them that way.
I do have a question though - is this a "flush"? All the pins seem to be growing at all kinds of different rates. There's no clear-cut: "first flush! second flush!" kinda thing going on here. Is this normal? Is there something I did wrong to produce the pin rates I'm getting? Perhaps not enough FAE to induce pinning at once?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#13979646 - 02/17/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Patients, keeping them in indirect sunlight or room light is fine and actually beneficial, keep them in jar at least a week after they are totally covered in white.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#13979719 - 02/17/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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tall half pints take a lil longer to colonize and most of the times have a hard time colonizing the bottom part... If you do notice them stalling simply flip them over on their lids and let them finish... Once flipped don't turn back over until birthing tho...
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? *DELETED* [Re: Teemo]
#13979798 - 02/17/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: zubrowka]
#13979921 - 02/17/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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zubrowka said: Im interested to see how people say your pics look. I'm in the same position, I have 12 brf tall 1/2 pints that I knocked up 21 days ago. Progress was slow at first then it sped up, now its slow again. A few of my jars look a lot like the last picture you posted. Im a little worried about them because in each jar there are parts of the mycelium that are growing slower than the rest and have a well defined edge, which can indicate that the mycelium ran into a contaminant. One thing I like to do is use a marker to outline the mycelium, which makes it easy to keep track of how much its growing.
good luck
edit: i also have the same plastic bin, wtf man haha
I have been doing the same thing with a marker but I have tall pint jars, I have noticed that when the myc reaches a spot that doesn't have the verm touching the jar it slows considerably, maybe because it is trying to find something to hold onto, or maybe not slowing at all, just growing down into the void and looking like it is slowing because you can't see it growing across the jar. All in all I think if it is packed loosely and has void spaces between the jars and verm it isn't actually slowing just colonizing a part that you cannot easily record the growth rate IMHO.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#13981817 - 02/17/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks all for the response! So all in all, it seems like I'm doing okay?
3n1gm4 - I moved the jars into my pre-SGFC since it's clear, so they'll be getting some light now. Hopefully it help speeds things up!
shroomtastic89 - Thanks for the advice. If in a few days or so it still doesn't seem like there's any progress, I'll try flipping them over!
Now here's a general question: How colonized would you guys say these jars are? 70%? 80%? Maybe more? The myc cover does seem to be everywhere for the most part, but it doesn't seem really thick.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: zubrowka]
#13981822 - 02/17/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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zubrowka said: Im interested to see how people say your pics look. I'm in the same position, I have 12 brf tall 1/2 pints that I knocked up 21 days ago. Progress was slow at first then it sped up, now its slow again. A few of my jars look a lot like the last picture you posted. Im a little worried about them because in each jar there are parts of the mycelium that are growing slower than the rest and have a well defined edge, which can indicate that the mycelium ran into a contaminant. One thing I like to do is use a marker to outline the mycelium, which makes it easy to keep track of how much its growing.
good luck
edit: i also have the same plastic bin, wtf man haha
Haha, it's like we're grow twins. :P What kind of fruiting chamber are you planning on doing? Shotgun, too?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#13983293 - 02/18/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Teemo said: Thanks all for the response! So all in all, it seems like I'm doing okay?
3n1gm4 - I moved the jars into my pre-SGFC since it's clear, so they'll be getting some light now. Hopefully it help speeds things up!
shroomtastic89 - Thanks for the advice. If in a few days or so it still doesn't seem like there's any progress, I'll try flipping them over!
Now here's a general question: How colonized would you guys say these jars are? 70%? 80%? Maybe more? The myc cover does seem to be everywhere for the most part, but it doesn't seem really thick.
I'd say between 80 and 90% IMO but that is just a guesstimate from seeing a pic of one side.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#13983316 - 02/18/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good work so far. 
I've done the flipping before, it works wonders. I found it also helps to knock the cake down when flipped, giving it some room between the jar and the cake. From what I've seen, the mycelium loves it. Once growth hits the gap of air, the mycelium "reaches" up and grows fuzzier and faster.
The week long wait after full colonization is key. I dunked and rolled 5 days after and didn't get pins for a while.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#13983435 - 02/18/11 08:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Teemo said:
Haha, it's like we're grow twins. :P What kind of fruiting chamber are you planning on doing? Shotgun, too?
Yeah I'm using a sgfc too, seems like the most popular and recommended FC for noobs. I'm following RR's "lets grow mushrooms video" to a T.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14076778 - 03/06/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I lost 1 jar to contams, and the other 2 or 3 questionable jars were crumbled and cased into trays. The rest of the cakes were put into my fruiting chamber 5 days ago... and today I've got pins!!! My set-up's a SGFC that I mist and fan a lot.

Yeah they're super tiny but I'm still stoked.
Here are the 2 trays I crumbled/cased, the one on the left I'm afraid has cobweb.. what do you guys think?

Anyway, I'm excited to take some photos of the little pins as they grow...
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14076901 - 03/06/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks okay to me, if you spray it with .3% peroxide it will melt if it is cobweb. Peroxide turns into water in open air, as long as you didn't soak it it probably wouldn't hurt the myc that much.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14077027 - 03/06/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: Looks okay to me, if you spray it with .3% peroxide it will melt if it is cobweb. Peroxide turns into water in open air, as long as you didn't soak it it probably wouldn't hurt the myc that much.
Oh, cool! Thanks for that info, man! Gonna go to the store and pick some up and try that out. How long does it take to melt away the cobweb? A day or so? Can I spray it while it's in the fruiting chamber with the other cakes?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? *DELETED* [Re: Teemo]
#14077076 - 03/06/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: shroomtastic89]
#14077093 - 03/06/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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store bought peroxide is already 3% so no need to mix it..spray it if its truely cobweb it should fizzle a bit and melt away..treat again in 12 hours or so then dont treat anymore..
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14077375 - 03/06/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: store bought peroxide is already 3% so no need to mix it..spray it if its truely cobweb it should fizzle a bit and melt away..treat again in 12 hours or so then dont treat anymore..
Thanks! I'll try it out.. and post more pics when my pins are bigger!
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14077594 - 03/06/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: store bought peroxide is already 3% so no need to mix it..spray it if its truely cobweb it should fizzle a bit and melt away..treat again in 12 hours or so then dont treat anymore..
I thought I read you mix the 3% with three parts peroxide and seven parts water, 0.333% solution? Peroxide can damage myc and if it is cobweb he would have to spray the whole casing. So wouldn't it be better to use a diluted mixture and let it sit in the sun for an hour or less to let the excess moisture evap without damaging the surface of the myc and helping pinning. Or will the myc consume the top layer before pinning?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14077614 - 03/06/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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its going to cause some damange to the myc in general, but usually myc ccan recover from peroxide..so its best to go ahead and get it over with on the first spray so it can go ahead and start its healing procss..
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
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Well, I bought 3% peroxide (the brown bottle) and didn't dilute it at all and spritzed my tray a bit. Nothing seemed to fiz or melt so I think it was just myc! Since I'm new at this I guess I just couldn't recognize it. If it still looks funny tomorrow, I might spritz it again, but probably not.
Thanks for the input, guys!
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14078320 - 03/06/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you are supposed to sit the mono in a closet or black garbage bag for 10 days before barely peeking, if its 100% fruit it then if not wait 3 or 4 more days then fruit it.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14078339 - 03/06/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: you are supposed to sit the mono in a closet or black garbage bag for 10 days before barely peeking, if its 100% fruit it then if not wait 3 or 4 more days then fruit it.
old info bro..no need in that..keep them in the same area hwere you're going to fruit with a normal light cycle...
some people tape up the holes in a monotub but now there's the new trend of not taping the holes up either idk much about that im spawning few tubs tomorrow where i'll be doing the test for myself, 2 normal ways and 2 with polyfil for colonization.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14078353 - 03/06/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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light and normal breeze from the room would probably result in early pinning
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
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3n1gm4 said: you are supposed to sit the mono in a closet or black garbage bag for 10 days before barely peeking, if its 100% fruit it then if not wait 3 or 4 more days then fruit it.
Oh, shit. I was under the impression that I don't want the casing to be fully colonized? So am I confusing full colonization with overlay?
Also, the casing tek I was following (Casing 101) says:
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Now cover the casing container with some aluminium foil and leave it at room temp (70-80?F) for 3 - 5 days. When the mycelium begins to pop through the casing layer, uncover the casing and put into the fruiting chamber.
Since today was Day 5 and the myc seemed to be popping up in places, I thought it'd be okay... so in your opinion, I should cover my trays back up and wait for a while? Or since they're already in the SGFC, should I just run with it?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14078359 - 03/06/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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im confused now as well...did you spawn it to coir or did you place grains then case?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14078378 - 03/06/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was just going by what easy bulk mono and ohmatics mono teks say http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11533599
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14078420 - 03/06/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Teemo said: Well, I bought 3% peroxide (the brown bottle) and didn't dilute it at all and spritzed my tray a bit. Nothing seemed to fiz or melt so I think it was just myc! Since I'm new at this I guess I just couldn't recognize it. If it still looks funny tomorrow, I might spritz it again, but probably not.
Thanks for the input, guys!
Don't see any cobweb in your pic. If you sprayed once and it did nothing I wouldn't worry about hitting it again. The pic of your tray in question is a bit fuzzier then the other one. Is it the big spots you are worried about or the rest of the tray? The dense white is def not cobweb. The rest of the tray looks to me like myc coming up through the casing. As far as I can tell from the pic anyway, looks how it should look when ready for fruiting. 
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biologys said: im confused now as well...did you spawn it to coir or did you place grains then case?
Believe it was brf caked crumbled and cased.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14078498 - 03/06/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: you are supposed to sit the mono in a closet or black garbage bag for 10 days before barely peeking, if its 100% fruit it then if not wait 3 or 4 more days then fruit it.
Oh, shit. I was under the impression that I don't want the casing to be fully colonized? So am I confusing full colonization with overlay?
Also, the casing tek I was following (Casing 101) says:
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Now cover the casing container with some aluminium foil and leave it at room temp (70-80?F) for 3 - 5 days. When the mycelium begins to pop through the casing layer, uncover the casing and put into the fruiting chamber.
Since today was Day 5 and the myc seemed to be popping up in places, I thought it'd be okay... so in your opinion, I should cover my trays back up and wait for a while? Or since they're already in the SGFC, should I just run with it?
Your right about the casing layer not being colonized. When it starts to come up through all over the tray you fruit it. He is confused about what you did. Looks good! Go with what your doing.....
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14078657 - 03/06/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: im confused now as well...did you spawn it to coir or did you place grains then case?
I crumbled and cased BRF cakes
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3 Days Later! [Re: Teemo]
#14092782 - 03/09/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, so here I am 3 days later and I've got some more pics for you guys...
These are my best cakes:
 Regarding the first pic - the veil is broken, right? Should I pick it? It's still kinda small, so I'm hoping maybe it'll grow some more...
Now here are my other cakes & trays which show no signs of pins..
 The ones circled in red are the cakes with no growth. I did have a wonky ratio of BRF-verm, so maybe they just don't have enough nutrients to grow... but if this is all I'm gonna get, I gotta say I must be doing something really wrong. Especially looking at the great flush as demonstrated in RR's videos..
Is there anything I can do at this point for my 3 cakes and 2 trays that aren't showing any progress? Should I try coldshocking them, or should I just be more patient?
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: Teemo]
#14093795 - 03/09/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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In retrospect, I think I probably should have let my trays colonize longer. Now I know that coco coir is better used as a substrate and not a casing...
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: Teemo]
#14094540 - 03/09/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mist the cakes only, from about 2 feet away with a super fine mist, they look really wet.
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: Teemo]
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Just be paitent If you have a small fan you can hold over everything for a bit then mist somewhat heavily and fan them good for a min or 2.....

These were some of my first cakes..they spent weeks in the chamber before finally producing. If nothing is contamed you will be ok.
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: McDude]
#14095433 - 03/09/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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McDude said: Just be paitent If you have a small fan you can hold over everything for a bit then mist somewhat heavily and fan them good for a min or 2.....

These were some of my first cakes..they spent weeks in the chamber before finally producing. If nothing is contamed you will be ok.
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: 3n1gm4]
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3n1gm4 said: Mist the cakes only, from about 2 feet away with a super fine mist, they look really wet.
Alright, will do. They might look extra wet here since I misted them just before taking the photos (since I already had the FC open) I've also been fanning them more than I mist, I'll keep on that.
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: McDude]
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McDude said: Just be paitent If you have a small fan you can hold over everything for a bit then mist somewhat heavily and fan them good for a min or 2.....

These were some of my first cakes..they spent weeks in the chamber before finally producing. If nothing is contamed you will be ok.
Awesome flushes!! I hope my cakes turn out half as good. I guess I'm not really on a time limit, so I'll leave them in there until they either produce or go bad.
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: Teemo]
#14095648 - 03/09/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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How about these guys?

Should I pick em or let them grow a bit more? How long can I leave them unpicked before they start to rot or go bad?
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: Teemo]
#14095776 - 03/09/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd pluck em off. They are already open and only going to start dropping spores then rotting. I never did the traditional sgfc. But from experience I would say soak those cakes then listen to a few songs while holding a fan over them lol My fan runs for 20 mins every hour 70cfm in a tiny space. 98% humidity when the fan is not running then it drops down to about 68 or so during that 20 mins. I mist 2 times a day and I pretty much soak them.....as long as your giving enough FAE to evaporate. I think it's the number one pinning trigger.
You will notice when they drop spores. The first pic in my sig you can see the darkness. After that point they pretty much start to go downhill. They have served there purpose and thus return to the earth.
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: McDude]
#14096171 - 03/10/11 02:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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McDude said: I'd pluck em off. They are already open and only going to start dropping spores then rotting. I never did the traditional sgfc. But from experience I would say soak those cakes then listen to a few songs while holding a fan over them lol My fan runs for 20 mins every hour 70cfm in a tiny space. 98% humidity when the fan is not running then it drops down to about 68 or so during that 20 mins. I mist 2 times a day and I pretty much soak them.....as long as your giving enough FAE to evaporate. I think it's the number one pinning trigger.
You will notice when they drop spores. The first pic in my sig you can see the darkness. After that point they pretty much start to go downhill. They have served there purpose and thus return to the earth.
Thanks for the replies! I appreciate the help. I do have an electric fan, and now I'm really tempted to try out your method. I think I'll start tomorrow and see if that makes a difference in pins or not since I've just been manually fanning with the lid up until now.
Also, what strain is that in your sig? It looks great! Also, what's the substrate in the cakes you shared? Verm-BRF? Just askin' cuz in the future, that's the kind of flushes I want from my cakes!
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: Teemo]
#14096243 - 03/10/11 02:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My sig is Puerto Rican,Columbian Rust Spore and Costa Rican. The cakes were verm/brf as per the pf tek. They are either b+ or puerto rican, 2 I had to begin with and don't remember which they were. They sat in a regular SGFC for 2 weeks and did nothing. Then I rigged up something different and they sat in that for quite a while before doing anything.
You said you mix was wonky?? hah what does that exactly mean? They look like they are fine. Really think if you mist heavy then fan with your fan to evaporate and your humidity is ok in between then they should do something.
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: McDude]
#14105322 - 03/11/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, upon McDude's advice, a couple days ago, I picked those first 2 shrooms since they were dropping spores...
 That black on the one is spores, I think, since it was directly under the gill! And actually, the one without black sort of picked itself. One hour, it was on the cake..the next hour, its weight had made it fall off!
Then these 2 guys started dropping their spores:

So I picked those 2 off:

I'm currently fan drying the latter 2. The first 2 are almost cracker dry - I sun-dried them for a while, then fan-dried them. Gonna grab some desiccant later and finish drying them that way.
I do have a question though - is this a "flush"? All the pins seem to be growing at all kinds of different rates. There's no clear-cut: "first flush! second flush!" kinda thing going on here. Is this normal? Is there something I did wrong to produce the pin rates I'm getting? Perhaps not enough FAE to induce pinning at once?
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: McDude]
#14105355 - 03/11/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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McDude said: My sig is Puerto Rican,Columbian Rust Spore and Costa Rican. The cakes were verm/brf as per the pf tek. They are either b+ or puerto rican, 2 I had to begin with and don't remember which they were. They sat in a regular SGFC for 2 weeks and did nothing. Then I rigged up something different and they sat in that for quite a while before doing anything.
You said you mix was wonky?? hah what does that exactly mean? They look like they are fine. Really think if you mist heavy then fan with your fan to evaporate and your humidity is ok in between then they should do something.
Thanks man! I took your advice and started using a small electric fan to fan them last night... this morning about about 5 more pins popped up on various cakes! How often do you fan them? You said you mist 2 times a day and fan every hour?
Also, yeah, I didn't know about RR's videos when I first started, so I followed this other tek where the ratio of Verm:BRF was 3:1 instead of 2:1, so my cakes don't have enough BRF. 
Do you think that could be the reason my pins are growing at all different rates? From the pics of your cake you shared, all your pins seemed to have grown together. Or is it a FAE matter?
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: Teemo]
#14105383 - 03/11/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh, and another question for any who are reading: are my shrooms considered small (probably around the size of a lighter)? They really shriveled up and are tiny now that they're dry. I've seen photos with mushrooms with huuuge fat stems...
Is their small size because of my weird 3:1 ratio of verm:BRF? Genetics, perhaps? Or just luck?
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: Teemo]
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My room is automated so it fans itself for 20 mins every hour. Doing what your doing I would mist heavy twice a day and hit them with your electric fan. To evaporate the moisture. Like you have been doing.
In addition fan with the lid for 30 secs a few times a day if possible. There is really no such thing as too much FAE as long as your humidity is staying up and things aren't drying out. Along with misting heavy twice you can give them a light mist if things should look dry. It's just all about finding that perfect balance of RH/FAE and moisture evaporation.
Genetics do play a good part in mush size etc...your brf mix being off also means less nutrients in your cakes which will effect things. I can't say really with any certainty what causes erratic pin formation. Maybe someone else will chime in on that. Back to genetics and environmental conditions probably.
I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with the size of your mushrooms. They are 90% or more water and shrink alot when dry. Always sad to see. I personally find smaller shrooms to be more potent, personal opinion yada yada. I know I trip harder from smaller ones..
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Re: 3 Days Later! [Re: McDude]
#14107797 - 03/12/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its a crap shoot with cakes and ms syringes, if you want big flushes try bulk grains or WBS.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14116970 - 03/13/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright... I just have to say guys, McDude is a genius.  
I've been using an electric fan on my shrooms a few minutes about every hour, and now there are pins EVERYWHERE!! On all the cakes!!
 
I've harvested 1.1g dry so far (which I know, it's not much, but for my first grow I'm stoked), and I can't wait to see how these new pins turn out. Unfortunately, no signs of anything on the trays... I'm not sure why. Again, these are trays cased with coco coir and vermiculite.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14127037 - 03/15/11 08:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just some more pics... nothing too drastic from last time. :P
I'm gonna pose the question again as to why I'm getting a lot of long, thin stems and small mushrooms whose veils break when they're still tiny.
 I circled some examples in red.
I read that long, thin stems are a sign of not enough FAE, but I fan them every hour for a good 2-5 minutes. And if the cakes seem wet in the photos, it's since I just misted them. Fanning takes away a lot of the humidity (down to 60-70%), so I mist a lot to bring it back up. Could my thin stems be because of my 3:1 Verm:BRF ratio instead of 2:1? Genetics? Too much misting?
Is there anything I can do to help them grow bigger?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14127246 - 03/15/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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All the FAE you will ever need can be given by a properly built SGFC raised up with 4 jars, glasses, or similar spacers to raise the bottom up to expose the bottom holes,in an open room with a window cracked and properly hydrated perlite. The fanning is just ti stir up any carbon dioxide that is in the FC.
Either there is something wrong with your FC or you have a very dry house with stale air. Did you ever check the bottom by digging a hole and seeing if water pooled in the middle?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14127961 - 03/15/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmm, I know the SGFC was perfectly designed for FAE, but I was under the impression that extra fanning couldn't hurt. Here's my SGFC, see if it looks okay to you:

The drill bit I used was 1/4" and I even used a ruler to put them all exactly 2" apart. It's raised on shot glasses (the cardboard under the shot glasses is just to keep them from slipping). There are holes on all 6 sides, and about 4-5" of perlite.
Also, I don't think my house is very dry - it's an old single-walled house in Hawaii, so it's always pretty humid here. The SGFC is in front of a window, but that one is closed - there's a window to the left (not pictured) which I always pull the curtain off so wind + sunlight comes through (sunlight doesn't directly shine on the SGFC).
The set-up is in my room, but I live in a house with roommates and it's the only place I could put it without fear of them fucking with it. Does it look okay? :/ Anything I should do to modify it?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14127972 - 03/15/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh, and I haven't done that digging-a-hole thing - do you mean to dig a hole in the perlite to see if there's water pooled up in it? I can't imagine there is... when I first put the perlite in, water freely dripped out the bottom. At one point during the first few days of having my SGFC, I was worried about humidity so I poured a little bit of water on the perlite and it just drained right out. But if that's what you mean, I'll go do that later tonight and see what's going on in there.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14128268 - 03/15/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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never pour, spray, the perlite sticks together and hold the water in, blocking the bottom holes. Get some paper towels, raise th FC up on 4 glasses or something where you can look at it with a flash light. Tear the paper towels and tear them into 2 or 3 inch strips, twist the pieces into spiral wick shapes and put them in the lowest holes and let it drain until there is no more standing water. Your RH will go up if your bottom holes are working.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14128274 - 03/15/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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put a bowl under it to catch the water.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14131884 - 03/16/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, I dug around in my perlite and I definitely do not have any standing water in there, although it was nice to see that even the perlite on the bottom of the SGFC was still damp. So no need for draining here!
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Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: Teemo]
#14140380 - 03/17/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've harvested 2.6g dry so far - my shrooms are really tiny! Well, at least it's enough for me! I've probably got another gram or so drying on a fan right now. Here's a photo of about the size of stuff I've been picking:
 Small, but they're already sporulating, so. 
My cakes have been constantly pinning, so I really don't know how to differentiate between flushes. I've got one cake that barely had any pins on it, so I just dunked it to see if that'll make a difference, and to compare between that dunked cake and the other non-dunked second-flush cakes. I have one other cake that could be a dunk candidate, what do you guys think?
 Dunk or no?
I wouldn't have been able to dunk it sooner - it had some big pins just breaking their veils. Picked those off today, so now I can consider it. I've read a lot of conflicting info on dunking with pins.
I probably won't be able to dunk any of the others because they've got pins of all sizes and stages going on.
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: Teemo]
#14140573 - 03/17/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looking good for your first go around and a "wacky" BRF cake McDude great idea with using a little electric fan rather than just fanning with the lid! Tis pure genius.
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: freeskierpj]
#14140612 - 03/17/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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freeskierpj said: Looking good for your first go around and a "wacky" BRF cake McDude great idea with using a little electric fan rather than just fanning with the lid! Tis pure genius.
Absolutely! I probably would still be waiting for pins to form if I was still just using the lid.
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: Teemo]
#14140890 - 03/18/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would at least top and bottom case with verm if you aren't going to do a 12 hour dunk.
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14141101 - 03/18/11 01:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh shit lol I forgot to dunk my African Traskei cake...it had some invitro pins and I just completely spaced on dunking or casing in...hmmm it's been in there 2 days should I take it out and dunk and roll?
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: freeskierpj]
#14141109 - 03/18/11 01:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: biologys]
#14141123 - 03/18/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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12 or 24 hour dunk?
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: freeskierpj]
#14141132 - 03/18/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'd go ahead with 12, then mist few times in the first couple hours after you put back into the FC
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: freeskierpj]
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Sweet thanks, you get my PM?
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: freeskierpj]
#14141145 - 03/18/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I do 24 but it has made some pins abort, so your choice, 12 if you are scared 24 if you ain't.
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14141164 - 03/18/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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When dunking for a second flush, are you supposed to rinse off the dry verm casing layer? (You know, the one from the first dunk & roll?)
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: Teemo]
#14141168 - 03/18/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No just dunk, no roll. I like to put the fan on mine for a few min and then mist the crap out of them and the perlite and then fan with lid right after.
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14141181 - 03/18/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ahh, yeah I heard rolling for the second flush isn't necessary, but what I meant is should I rinse off that verm layer before dunking? I figure most of the verm is gonna fall off anyway during the dunk, but I wanna do this right.
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Re: Time do dunk some cakes for second flush? [Re: Teemo]
#14141281 - 03/18/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes you can rinse b4 dunking, but don't scrub it off if ya know what I mean.
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