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First Grow with PICS - Time to Dunk?? pg3
#13979627 - 02/17/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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So this is my first grow ever, following Pf-Tek for Simple Minds. The substrate I used was 6 cups vermiculite and 2 cups BRF (now I know to do a 2-1-1 ratio) in 12 1/2 pint jars.
I inoculated them on 1/25, so here I am 23 days later and these are what my jars look like:

 (Yep, they're sitting on their future fruiting chamber to pose for the pictures; I'm planning on following RR's a shotgun terrarium.)


I have not been incubating them since temperatures where I live range from 70-80. I've been keeping them in a non-translucent plastic container since there's no room in my closet, so they're not exposed to ambient light except for when I check on them every other day or so.
There hasn't been much growth these past few days - I'm hoping they're not stalled! How close would you say these jars are to full colonization? I feel like they're taking a long time - maybe because they didn't have enough BRF, and maybe because I'm using weird tall 1/2 pint jars instead of the short fat ones, but those were the only jars I could find. 
Comments? I'm a total noob to this, so constructive input is much appreciated.
Edit 3/6/11: So I lost 1 jar to contams, and the other 2 or 3 questionable jars were crumbled and cased into trays. The rest of the cakes were put into my fruiting chamber 5 days ago... and today I've got pins!!! My set-up's a SGFC that I mist and fan a lot.

Yeah they're super tiny but I'm still stoked.
Here are the 2 trays I crumbled/cased, the one on the left I'm afraid has cobweb.. what do you guys think?

Anyway, I'm excited to take some photos of the little pins as they grow...
-- EDIT 3/9/11
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Teemo said: Alright, so here I am 3 days later and I've got some more pics for you guys...
These are my best cakes:
 Regarding the first pic - the veil is broken, right? Should I pick it? It's still kinda small, so I'm hoping maybe it'll grow some more...
Now here are my other cakes & trays which show no signs of pins..
 The ones circled in red are the cakes with no growth. I did have a wonky ratio of BRF-verm, so maybe they just don't have enough nutrients to grow... but if this is all I'm gonna get, I gotta say I must be doing something really wrong. Especially looking at the great flush as demonstrated in RR's videos..
Is there anything I can do at this point for my 3 cakes and 2 trays that aren't showing any progress? Should I try coldshocking them, or should I just be more patient?
EDIT 3/11/2011:
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Teemo said: Alright, upon McDude's advice, a couple days ago, I picked those first 2 shrooms since they were dropping spores...
 That black on the one is spores, I think, since it was directly under the gill! And actually, the one without black sort of picked itself. One hour, it was on the cake..the next hour, its weight had made it fall off!
Then these 2 guys started dropping their spores:

So I picked those 2 off:

I'm currently fan drying the latter 2. The first 2 are almost cracker dry - I sun-dried them for a while, then fan-dried them. Gonna grab some desiccant later and finish drying them that way.
I do have a question though - is this a "flush"? All the pins seem to be growing at all kinds of different rates. There's no clear-cut: "first flush! second flush!" kinda thing going on here. Is this normal? Is there something I did wrong to produce the pin rates I'm getting? Perhaps not enough FAE to induce pinning at once?
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Edited by Teemo (03/17/11 10:57 PM)
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#13979646 - 02/17/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Patients, keeping them in indirect sunlight or room light is fine and actually beneficial, keep them in jar at least a week after they are totally covered in white.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#13979719 - 02/17/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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tall half pints take a lil longer to colonize and most of the times have a hard time colonizing the bottom part... If you do notice them stalling simply flip them over on their lids and let them finish... Once flipped don't turn back over until birthing tho...
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? *DELETED* [Re: Teemo]
#13979798 - 02/17/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: zubrowka]
#13979921 - 02/17/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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zubrowka said: Im interested to see how people say your pics look. I'm in the same position, I have 12 brf tall 1/2 pints that I knocked up 21 days ago. Progress was slow at first then it sped up, now its slow again. A few of my jars look a lot like the last picture you posted. Im a little worried about them because in each jar there are parts of the mycelium that are growing slower than the rest and have a well defined edge, which can indicate that the mycelium ran into a contaminant. One thing I like to do is use a marker to outline the mycelium, which makes it easy to keep track of how much its growing.
good luck
edit: i also have the same plastic bin, wtf man haha
I have been doing the same thing with a marker but I have tall pint jars, I have noticed that when the myc reaches a spot that doesn't have the verm touching the jar it slows considerably, maybe because it is trying to find something to hold onto, or maybe not slowing at all, just growing down into the void and looking like it is slowing because you can't see it growing across the jar. All in all I think if it is packed loosely and has void spaces between the jars and verm it isn't actually slowing just colonizing a part that you cannot easily record the growth rate IMHO.
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Edited by 3n1gm4 (02/17/11 04:54 PM)
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#13981817 - 02/17/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks all for the response! So all in all, it seems like I'm doing okay?
3n1gm4 - I moved the jars into my pre-SGFC since it's clear, so they'll be getting some light now. Hopefully it help speeds things up!
shroomtastic89 - Thanks for the advice. If in a few days or so it still doesn't seem like there's any progress, I'll try flipping them over!
Now here's a general question: How colonized would you guys say these jars are? 70%? 80%? Maybe more? The myc cover does seem to be everywhere for the most part, but it doesn't seem really thick.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: zubrowka]
#13981822 - 02/17/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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zubrowka said: Im interested to see how people say your pics look. I'm in the same position, I have 12 brf tall 1/2 pints that I knocked up 21 days ago. Progress was slow at first then it sped up, now its slow again. A few of my jars look a lot like the last picture you posted. Im a little worried about them because in each jar there are parts of the mycelium that are growing slower than the rest and have a well defined edge, which can indicate that the mycelium ran into a contaminant. One thing I like to do is use a marker to outline the mycelium, which makes it easy to keep track of how much its growing.
good luck
edit: i also have the same plastic bin, wtf man haha
Haha, it's like we're grow twins. :P What kind of fruiting chamber are you planning on doing? Shotgun, too?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#13983293 - 02/18/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Teemo said: Thanks all for the response! So all in all, it seems like I'm doing okay?
3n1gm4 - I moved the jars into my pre-SGFC since it's clear, so they'll be getting some light now. Hopefully it help speeds things up!
shroomtastic89 - Thanks for the advice. If in a few days or so it still doesn't seem like there's any progress, I'll try flipping them over!
Now here's a general question: How colonized would you guys say these jars are? 70%? 80%? Maybe more? The myc cover does seem to be everywhere for the most part, but it doesn't seem really thick.
I'd say between 80 and 90% IMO but that is just a guesstimate from seeing a pic of one side.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#13983316 - 02/18/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good work so far. 
I've done the flipping before, it works wonders. I found it also helps to knock the cake down when flipped, giving it some room between the jar and the cake. From what I've seen, the mycelium loves it. Once growth hits the gap of air, the mycelium "reaches" up and grows fuzzier and faster.
The week long wait after full colonization is key. I dunked and rolled 5 days after and didn't get pins for a while.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#13983435 - 02/18/11 08:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Teemo said:
Haha, it's like we're grow twins. :P What kind of fruiting chamber are you planning on doing? Shotgun, too?
Yeah I'm using a sgfc too, seems like the most popular and recommended FC for noobs. I'm following RR's "lets grow mushrooms video" to a T.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14076778 - 03/06/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I lost 1 jar to contams, and the other 2 or 3 questionable jars were crumbled and cased into trays. The rest of the cakes were put into my fruiting chamber 5 days ago... and today I've got pins!!! My set-up's a SGFC that I mist and fan a lot.

Yeah they're super tiny but I'm still stoked.
Here are the 2 trays I crumbled/cased, the one on the left I'm afraid has cobweb.. what do you guys think?

Anyway, I'm excited to take some photos of the little pins as they grow...
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14076901 - 03/06/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks okay to me, if you spray it with .3% peroxide it will melt if it is cobweb. Peroxide turns into water in open air, as long as you didn't soak it it probably wouldn't hurt the myc that much.
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14077027 - 03/06/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: Looks okay to me, if you spray it with .3% peroxide it will melt if it is cobweb. Peroxide turns into water in open air, as long as you didn't soak it it probably wouldn't hurt the myc that much.
Oh, cool! Thanks for that info, man! Gonna go to the store and pick some up and try that out. How long does it take to melt away the cobweb? A day or so? Can I spray it while it's in the fruiting chamber with the other cakes?
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Edited by Teemo (03/06/11 06:26 PM)
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? *DELETED* [Re: Teemo]
#14077076 - 03/06/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: shroomtastic89]
#14077093 - 03/06/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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store bought peroxide is already 3% so no need to mix it..spray it if its truely cobweb it should fizzle a bit and melt away..treat again in 12 hours or so then dont treat anymore..
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14077375 - 03/06/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: store bought peroxide is already 3% so no need to mix it..spray it if its truely cobweb it should fizzle a bit and melt away..treat again in 12 hours or so then dont treat anymore..
Thanks! I'll try it out.. and post more pics when my pins are bigger!
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14077594 - 03/06/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: store bought peroxide is already 3% so no need to mix it..spray it if its truely cobweb it should fizzle a bit and melt away..treat again in 12 hours or so then dont treat anymore..
I thought I read you mix the 3% with three parts peroxide and seven parts water, 0.333% solution? Peroxide can damage myc and if it is cobweb he would have to spray the whole casing. So wouldn't it be better to use a diluted mixture and let it sit in the sun for an hour or less to let the excess moisture evap without damaging the surface of the myc and helping pinning. Or will the myc consume the top layer before pinning?
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14077614 - 03/06/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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its going to cause some damange to the myc in general, but usually myc ccan recover from peroxide..so its best to go ahead and get it over with on the first spray so it can go ahead and start its healing procss..
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: biologys]
#14078279 - 03/06/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, I bought 3% peroxide (the brown bottle) and didn't dilute it at all and spritzed my tray a bit. Nothing seemed to fiz or melt so I think it was just myc! Since I'm new at this I guess I just couldn't recognize it. If it still looks funny tomorrow, I might spritz it again, but probably not.
Thanks for the input, guys!
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Re: First Grow with PICS - How am I doing? [Re: Teemo]
#14078320 - 03/06/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you are supposed to sit the mono in a closet or black garbage bag for 10 days before barely peeking, if its 100% fruit it then if not wait 3 or 4 more days then fruit it.
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Edited by 3n1gm4 (03/06/11 10:02 PM)
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