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killing ones ego without drugs
#13979576 - 02/17/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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someone comes over to you and says he or she wants to kill his/her ego but they do not want to take any drugs/psycs (lsd/dmt/shrooms/peyote) to help them, what do you recommend them to do?
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: skatealex2] 1
#13979611 - 02/17/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bottle of Valium and a bottle Jack Daniels should do it. Or a noose, or great fall...
Don't think one can be alive and kill their own ego. That begs to question, who is doing the killing?
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism] 1
#13979652 - 02/17/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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^^^Thats another one my list of the few great questions.
I've had compete ego death both on and off drugs and maintained awareness. So....who's watching?
Buddhists who can get into the high jhanas and things have debated endlessly. It seems no matter how "far" you go there's always someone home.
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Cups]
#13979662 - 02/17/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Isn't that what we refer to as consciousness? In which case, yeah, whotf knows.
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
#13979678 - 02/17/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah. Isn't it more about who is asking the question? There is an observance of the question and an asking of the question, which are you and why?
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: skatealex2] 1
#13979743 - 02/17/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: someone comes over to you and says he or she wants to kill his/her ego but they do not want to take any drugs/psycs (lsd/dmt/shrooms/peyote) to help them, what do you recommend them to do?

Put a gun to their head and pull the trigger.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Kickle] 1
#13979770 - 02/17/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is an observance of the question and an asking of the question, which are you and why?
I've found it more helpful personally to ask "What is I?" rather than "Who am I?" I am an interface for my memories and sensual experience. We all have an I, it's the experience that varies from person to person.
So that leaves me with this function of I and the observer. But I cannot be the observer, because then I would not be egoless, and I would be I.
Ya dig? No, probably not. This is tying my brain into knots just trying to get it out.
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
#13979779 - 02/17/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah the basic premise is no phenomenon can observe itself.
So at some point you seem to get to an irreducible observer of some kind.
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Edited by Cups (02/17/11 04:28 PM)
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Cups]
#13979799 - 02/17/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is this a product of the electricity in our brains? Is this knit into the very fabric of the universe? At the moment of conception was this feeling created or has it always been? So many questions never to be answered.
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
#13979860 - 02/17/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seems you touched on quality stuff. If I can not become the observer because the observer then becomes the observed, then what is that process? And are you that process or what observes that process?
You cannot capture what it means to be the observer because you can never truly be anything else. Trying to become what you already are is a quick way to start looping
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Kickle]
#13979882 - 02/17/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's pretty much how you just made me feel.
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If I can not be the observer because the observer then becomes the observed, then what is that process?
I haven't a clue, but it feels about as mathematically fundamental as gravity and light. Whatever that means. 
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You cannot capture what it means to be the observer because you can never truly be anything but.
An observer trying to observe itself? Why that sounds down right sinful. I can't really find a frame of reference for that, man. Feels like a fractal.
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
#13980009 - 02/17/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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IME the observer is most clearly understood when nothing else is happening.
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Kickle]
#13980021 - 02/17/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Like, outside stimulus?
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
#13980108 - 02/17/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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What is the difference between outside stimulation and inside stimulation in terms of observation?
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Kickle]
#13980122 - 02/17/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good question, but I thought by yours that you were implying that there is a difference. I was assuming that understanding the observer would come from some source of inner stimuli, no? I need you to define "nothing else" for me. Nothing else other than...the observer? What exactly?
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Tropism]
#13980222 - 02/17/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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As the mind tries to figure this out, the observer already knows what it is. Be the observer and let the mind keep spinning until it uses up all its fuel. Then in the silence of being, what is there to become confused with?
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Kickle] 1
#13980278 - 02/17/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Then in the silence of being, what is there to become confused with? Then in the silence of being, what is there to become confused? Then in the silence of being, what is there? Then in the silence of being, what is?

Edited by Tropism (02/17/11 05:58 PM)
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: skatealex2]
#13984308 - 02/18/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: someone comes over to you and says he or she wants to kill his/her ego but they do not want to take any drugs/psycs (lsd/dmt/shrooms/peyote) to help them, what do you recommend them to do?
It is a matter of having the determination to break right through to the other side. -Hagakure
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: amuzakat]
#13999619 - 02/21/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You must live as if you are already dead. . -Also from the Hagakure
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: n.dangerously]
#13999805 - 02/21/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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n.dangerously said: You must live as if you are already dead. . -Also from the Hagakure
I understand this quote but what I don't understand is what life would be like if everyone lived in this way...
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: durantz]
#13999827 - 02/21/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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What makes you think drugs kills your ego? Is that the best explanation for what you felt? Do you think that's what happened because people told you that?
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: teknix]
#14002959 - 02/21/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've recently met a very nice girl whom is progressing deeper and deeper past her ego, she has never done a drug in her life and will never do them due to auto-immune body complications. But, since I've been there done that I'm able to progress her along through the intellectual progressions towards ego death. Her intellectual mind understands it almost perfectly. She empathizes with the feeling but she doesn't experience it in a spiritual sense. So she's aware ego-death exists and she is totally aware of it's benefits, and she's progressing to achieve it. The problem is... when you start seeking it like that, that's what's going to keep it on your horizon. You just have to accept that you do not know and let awareness walk you along towards the truth. Environmental factors make her doubt, but as long as I'm able to keep her in the right mind state she slowly progresses everyday.
I'm assuming having someone around whose achieved helps greatly.
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Chaosauzi]
#14005737 - 02/22/11 03:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Meditate, meditate, and meditate some more, and renounce everything you once valued as pleasant or painful. Recite the Atma Shatakam over and over again, recite the mantra: Om Satchitananda ki, hare nam satya ki! sharanam ki, sharanam ki! Sam phut swaha! over and over again until your ego dies and all is one. Good luck.
FWIW reciting that mantra "Om Satchitananda ki, hare nam satya ki! sharanam ki, sharanam ki! Sam phut swaha!" on DMT will cause ego death.
It means this: All that is, All that is ever unchanging truth itself, permanent and immutable, always in perfect balance of harmonious existence, essence of life itself, take me from this state of unknowing ignorant delusion to the knowledge of your Name: The Truth of The Existence of Life Itself. I surrender to the will of Life itself, I surrender to the will of Life itself that is Your ultimate will. Absolutely, and with ultimate certainty, may it be so.
-------------------- "Love one another." "To Love is to know me." "Love is the Law, Love under Will." "In Compassion, all sorrows end." Regardless of the Master, the message is the same- Choose love and you shall live, Choose Fear and you shall die. Help bring peace to this Earth: Love one another, and serve others before yourself.
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Re: killing ones ego without drugs [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#14006184 - 02/22/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The problem I see with that formula, is that if you're able to recite that on DMT, you didn't smoke enough. :-) Hell, I would hardly be able to recite it while sober.
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