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Additives in cigarettes
    #13973123 - 02/16/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Can anyone confirm it but try a little experiment:

Smoke a pack of cigs by yourself and with friends in a room. Make sure no air in the room is leaking. Come back in 24 hours and smell the air.

I can feel there is some kind of very toxic carcinogenic chem  floating in the air, not tobacco, no, something else, my only guess it is residue of somekind of chem. Additives they put in most cigs.

Would smoking American Spirit or other such brands without (supposedly) additives be any different? I never tried AS there not for sale around here.

This toxin which I find in air is pretty much 90% of reason why I do not smoke cigs… only a bit of tobacco with weed.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13973142 - 02/16/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ya the difference with american spirits is noticeable. Thats all i smoke when i smoke, which is very seldom.

E cigs and hookah are also nice.

Also why would you need to confirm the presence of additives in cigs? Its not exactly a secret.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13973144 - 02/16/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ya dude, cigs stink!


I dont allow any smoking in my house or car! 

but blazing is A-ok! :stoned:


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: P-O]
    #13973231 - 02/16/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'd rather have you smoke a bowl in my house than to smoke a cigarette. Sometimes, I like to save people's lives by intercepting their cigarette smoking time by inviting them to smoke a bowl, if I know them well enough, I'll break their cigarette. :nono:


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: P-O]
    #13973235 - 02/16/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Smoke a pack of cigs by yourself and with friends in a room. Make sure no air in the room is leaking. Come back in 24 hours and smell the air.

have you done this?


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Atheist]
    #13973281 - 02/16/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Atheist]
    #13973289 - 02/16/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't really like that whole "marijuana cures cancer (so to speak, you know what I mean) and cigarettes are horrible"

They both have their ups and downs, come on. Aside form that, cigarettes provide no mindfuck whatsoever. Marijuana's is minimal, and often beneficial, but it's there. You never know what it could do to people.

Also, good luck smoking weed every day and still functioning in society. Not to mention, even if you didn't need to function in society, smoking so much will definitely take its toll on you.

Of course I can't say how many times I've smoked at night before sleeping and it was the best thing ever. Even smoking in the morning and being buzzed all day has been fun to. But you can't say as a general rule "marijuana is awesome and cigarettes are awful", I don't think.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: GEncore]
    #13973377 - 02/16/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There are 599 different additives in big company cigs. :dead:


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: thoughts]
    #13973422 - 02/16/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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There are 599 different additives in big company cigs. :dead:






Where can i buy American Spirit in EU???


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13973524 - 02/16/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There web site has a store locator to find places to buy them. :shrug:
https://www.nascigs.com/Store-locator.aspx


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: The_Ghost]
    #13973542 - 02/16/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Also why would you need to confirm the presence of additives in cigs? Its not exactly a secret.



That's what I was thinking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in_cigarettes


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: The_Ghost]
    #13973546 - 02/16/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Ya the difference with american spirits is noticeable. Thats all i smoke when i smoke, which is very seldom.

E cigs and hookah are also nice.

Also why would you need to confirm the presence of additives in cigs? Its not exactly a secret.




:whathesaid:

Yes i like the American Spirit Organic they have out now... i switched over from the Menthols. but i find that it still must have the Fire Saftey Chemical in the Paper... lame! :mad2: when i get paid, its Roll your Own :cig: time
Never had an E-cig... they r jus weird to me :shrug:


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13973555 - 02/16/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Shroomism]
    #13973565 - 02/16/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So, if you smoke 20 cigarettes in a room and don't let any air leak out, the air smells bad and apparently cigarettes are bad for you.

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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Shroomism]
    #13973670 - 02/16/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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iwasaClown said:
There are 599 different additives in big company cigs. :dead:



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Shroomism said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in_cigarettes




That number is very misleading.  There wouldn't be 599 additives in one cigarette; but if you looked at all of the additives that are used by all of the large cig manufacturers with all of their brands -then yes you can end up with a large number like that.

eg.  One of the 599 additives listed was "Cinnamon Leaf Oil".  It's used in some of the cigarette brands by some of the manufacturers, but you will not find "Cinnaman Leaf Oil" in every single cigarette made by big 5 tobacco companies.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13973683 - 02/16/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Can anyone confirm it but try a little experiment:

Smoke a pack of cigs by yourself and with friends in a room. Make sure no air in the room is leaking. Come back in 24 hours and smell the air.

I can feel there is some kind of very toxic carcinogenic chem  floating in the air, not tobacco, no, something else, my only guess it is residue of somekind of chem. Additives they put in most cigs.

Would smoking American Spirit or other such brands without (supposedly) additives be any different? I never tried AS there not for sale around here.

This toxin which I find in air is pretty much 90% of reason why I do not smoke cigs… only a bit of tobacco with weed.




Have you been living under a rock brah?

It certainly is no secret there is tons of known cancer causing additives in cigs besides tobacco itself. :lol:


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: GEncore]
    #13973859 - 02/16/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't really like that whole "marijuana cures cancer (so to speak, you know what I mean) and cigarettes are horrible"

They both have their ups and downs, come on. Aside form that, cigarettes provide no mindfuck whatsoever. Marijuana's is minimal, and often beneficial, but it's there. You never know what it could do to people.

Also, good luck smoking weed every day and still functioning in society. Not to mention, even if you didn't need to function in society, smoking so much will definitely take its toll on you.

Of course I can't say how many times I've smoked at night before sleeping and it was the best thing ever. Even smoking in the morning and being buzzed all day has been fun to. But you can't say as a general rule "marijuana is awesome and cigarettes are awful", I don't think.



what if its not my priority to function in society? better get ta tokin :bongload:  :flyhigh:


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
    #13973887 - 02/16/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Even so, you're bound to experience negative effects that most likely outweigh the positives. I'm talking about psychological things, not physical. I know living high sucks the soul out of a lot of people. You might not be in that group, that's fine, but a lot of people are. I know that for a fact.

Again, I'm not saying "weed sucks" as a general rule. I'm saying that "weed is awesome, cigarettes suck" also shouldn't be said as a general rule.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: GEncore]
    #13973901 - 02/16/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Even so, you're bound to experience negative effects that most likely outweigh the positives. I'm talking about psychological things, not physical. I know living high sucks the soul out of a lot of people. You might not be in that group, that's fine, but a lot of people are. I know that for a fact.

Again, I'm not saying "weed sucks" as a general rule. I'm saying that "weed is awesome, cigarettes suck" also shouldn't be said as a general rule.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: The_Ghost]
    #13973916 - 02/16/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, sure. If it works for you. If weed is making you happy, no reason to stop. I don't smoke daily, but once every two weeks at the very least and I enjoy it. But I'm against recommending weed to everyone. You never know what it could do to you. And, I think, it could be more dangerous than psychedelics even, in the mindfuck aspect. Because the effects are so minimal, you might barely notice them until they change you.

Also, weed is making me happy now. It kind of fucked me up when I was younger. I remember in my last year of high school, it made me really lazy and it made me hate school for no reason. I would think to myself, "there's no way I'll study high. Drugs are fun. Studying is not fun!". Stupid shit like that. Weed is delicate, man.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: GEncore]
    #13973972 - 02/16/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh, sure. If it works for you. If weed is making you happy, no reason to stop. I don't smoke daily, but once every two weeks at the very least and I enjoy it. But I'm against recommending weed to everyone. You never know what it could do to you. And, I think, it could be more dangerous than psychedelics even, in the mindfuck aspect. Because the effects are so minimal, you might barely notice them until they change you.

Also, weed is making me happy now. It kind of fucked me up when I was younger. I remember in my last year of high school, it made me really lazy and it made me hate school for no reason. I would think to myself, "there's no way I'll study high. Drugs are fun. Studying is not fun!". Stupid shit like that. Weed is delicate, man.



Two weeks ago I would have argued with you, but I'm kind of on your side now.
I won't say it's as dangerous as you make it seem, but it is dangerous in that the side effects are slow and subtle, allowing you to adjust and accept them.
Being high all the time definitely makes me unproductive as hell, and I only just realized that.
I used to always say "I was a bad procrastinator before I ever smoked."
That may be true, but it only got worse with time, and the weed certainly wasn't helping.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #13973984 - 02/16/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, that post turned out a bit more exaggerated than I meant it to be. You probably won't lose your job and stay in your room all day because of weed. But it has its dangers to it.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: gzuf]
    #13977431 - 02/17/11 02:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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gzuf said:
So, if you smoke 20 cigarettes in a room and don't let any air leak out, the air smells bad and apparently cigarettes are bad for you.

:snowman:  :snowman:  :snowman:





No that is not what i said.

In 24 hours most of  natural tobacco chemicals released from a cigarette will get oxidised/diminished/decade, but the really nasty additives, which smell really bad, still remain.

Instead of arguing why dont you do this like i said and see for yourself


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13977435 - 02/17/11 02:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"It certainly is no secret there is tons of known cancer causing additives in cigs besides tobacco itself."

To be honest natural tobacco isnt that bad


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13977441 - 02/17/11 02:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Isn't that bad compared to what? Cigarettes?


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #13977566 - 02/17/11 04:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It's been proven that radioactive isotopes lead and polonium-210 are present in and on tobacco leaf as a result of conventional phosphate fertilizer use.  So yeah, that could give you cancer.  Basically all cigarettes contain this tobacco, with the exception of Organic American Spirits and whatever other organic tobaccos are out there.  The main difference is in the fertilizer use but of course Spirits are additive free too.

One of the main reasons I smoke these:



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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #13977571 - 02/17/11 05:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes i like the American Spirit Organic they have out now... i switched over from the Menthols. but i find that it still must have the Fire Saftey Chemical in the Paper... lame! :mad2: when i get paid, its Roll your Own :cig: time
Never had an E-cig... they r jus weird to me :shrug:




The company said they use an algae based substance and a flax paper to meet the FSC compliance.  So no poly vinyl acetate or whatever is supposedly on most cigs now. 

Have fun with rolling though.  I like it too but whenever I've gotten into rolling I tend to ramp up my habit and smoke like 3x a much.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Viveka]
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Viveka what is going on in your avatar?

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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Viveka]
    #13977666 - 02/17/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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It's been proven that radioactive isotopes lead and polonium-210 are present in and on tobacco leaf as a result of conventional phosphate fertilizer use.  So yeah, that could give you cancer.  Basically all cigarettes contain this tobacco, with the exception of Organic American Spirits and whatever other organic tobaccos are out there.  The main difference is in the fertilizer use but of course Spirits are additive free too.

One of the main reasons I smoke these:






Yes, radioactive isotopes lead and polonium-210 might be present in and on tobacco leafs as a result of fertilizer use, but what's stopping the farmers from using the exact same fertilizer on their  other crops, like spinich? 

If they did the exact same tests on the fruits and vegetables in the produce section of your local grocery store, they will find isotopes that have been found on tobacco on many of the vegetables you eat.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: HairyTaco]
    #13978290 - 02/17/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Different species of plants process chemicals differently. Different enzymes, different metabolism you know.

I'm sure some species of vegetable could be found with the same isotopes, but not all vegetables are going to produce the same carcinogens in response to that specific fertilizer. :shrug:


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #13978426 - 02/17/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There's a lot of things in cigarettes that are really bad for you, everybody knows it, and smoking is a choice that you make. Additives or not it doesn't make a difference.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Frost]
    #13978433 - 02/17/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Additives or not it doesn't make a difference.





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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13978444 - 02/17/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How the hell do you smell carcinogenicity in a chemical, sorry that's just not the way it works. Cigarettes pretty much suck, because yes they have a lot of additives in them, just compare burning time of hand-rolled vs. normal cig.

But aside from that, cancer is caused by the by-products of burning the plant matter, you're going to get cancer even if you smoke rose-leafs regularly (weed is another discussion)


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13978446 - 02/17/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No good could from testing this out. People sit in smokey rooms for hours at a time constantly. Yes,it stinks long after if no air gets in.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: HairyTaco]
    #13978456 - 02/17/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Frost said:
There's a lot of things in cigarettes that are really bad for you, everybody knows it, and smoking is a choice that you make. Additives or not it doesn't make a difference.




Because inhaling burning ammonia, benzene, formaldehyde, acetone, and other known carcinogens is the same as just tobacco? I disagree.


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There are 599 different additives in big company cigs. :dead:



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in_cigarettes




That number is very misleading.  There wouldn't be 599 additives in one cigarette; but if you looked at all of the additives that are used by all of the large cig manufacturers with all of their brands -then yes you can end up with a large number like that.

eg.  One of the 599 additives listed was "Cinnamon Leaf Oil".  It's used in some of the cigarette brands by some of the manufacturers, but you will not find "Cinnaman Leaf Oil" in every single cigarette made by big 5 tobacco companies.




The number is actually not very misleading at all. The 599 additives are a general guideline (read:Industry standard), which the major manufacturer's had to admit to. Of that list, MOST to ALL of those ingredients are in your major brands. Some of them use even more. They brew these up in chemical cocktails and they are added to the tobacco, usually sprayed on. Some major brands of cigarettes don't even use real tobacco anymore, they use a type of paper, and just spray the nicotine/chemical cocktail on the sheets, and shred it up to look like tobacco.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Shroomism]
    #13978494 - 02/17/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I was wrong to say it doesn't make a difference. It does. What I was getting at is that if health is your concern then you probably shouldn't smoke in the first place. Growing your own tobacco is probably the safest way to know exactly what you're smoking.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Frost]
    #13978502 - 02/17/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Word that. I'm not saying smoking tobacco is healthy by any means., hell I'm getting ready to quit, even smoking just plain organic tobacco is getting to be too much for my health.
Just seems like a much better alternative to me then smoking these deadly chemical cocktails, like marlboro and their cowboy killers.
Anyone ever try and smoke a marlboro red after you've been smoking spirits for years? It's disgusting, I can suck one down in literally 20 seconds and it tastes like burning trash.
It burns like it has rocket fuel in it, probably partially because it does.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: Shroomism]
    #13979602 - 02/17/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Because inhaling burning ammonia, benzene, formaldehyde, acetone, and other known carcinogens is the same as just tobacco? I disagree.





Shroomi I have to disagree with you on this one, the act of burning the cigarette produces a lot of carcinogenic compounds. Look into it. I feel like my posts have become invisible these days, is it 13.step ignore day? Would be awesome if we had mass-ignore days.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13979648 - 02/17/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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desant said:
"It certainly is no secret there is tons of known cancer causing additives in cigs besides tobacco itself."

To be honest natural tobacco isnt that bad




It isn't IN YOUR FACE bad, but over time of lots of usage it certainly is. It certainly is in no way "good" for you in any case. I'll say that natural tobacco is far less harmful than cigarettes with additives, by a long shot.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: 13.step] * 1
    #13979660 - 02/17/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Because inhaling burning ammonia, benzene, formaldehyde, acetone, and other known carcinogens is the same as just tobacco? I disagree.





Shroomi I have to disagree with you on this one, the act of burning the cigarette produces a lot of carcinogenic compounds. Look into it. I feel like my posts have become invisible these days, is it 13.step ignore day? Would be awesome if we had mass-ignore days.


cuz they ignorin errbody out there :urreallydumb:


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
    #13979686 - 02/17/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

cigs glow all sorts of funky colours under a black light

so now you can see the chemicals while you smoke them

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delicious poison


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: 13.step]
    #13982958 - 02/18/11 02:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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13.step said:
How the hell do you smell carcinogenicity in a chemical, sorry that's just not the way it works. Cigarettes pretty much suck, because yes they have a lot of additives in them, just compare burning time of hand-rolled vs. normal cig.

But aside from that, cancer is caused by the by-products of burning the plant matter, you're going to get cancer even if you smoke rose-leafs regularly (weed is another discussion)





Another Noob.

Burning organic matter like weed on natural tobacco is not that bad


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13982983 - 02/18/11 02:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Goddamn I get tired of motherfuckers calling each other noobs.


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: desant]
    #13983056 - 02/18/11 03:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You're mother's a noob:naughty: I won't say at what, go and do some reading boy, then come back and report.

Them chemicals all bad!!!!!:meatwad:


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: 13.step]
    #13989690 - 02/19/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

A few years ago, quite a few brands of smokes in Canada were additive free.  I have no idea why they stopped.

Here is a scan from 2005 of a pack of Belmont Milds and a pack of Rothmans Blue.  It shows "Additive free Canadian blend" printed right on the packs. 


I don't know about the Belmont Milds anymore, but I do know that Rothmans Blue stopped printing "Additive free Canadian blend" on their packs back in 2007'ish.  I'm guessing they started putting additives back in them?


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Re: Additives in cigarettes [Re: HairyTaco]
    #13989716 - 02/19/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

When i smoked, I smoked rollies only. They felt much cleaner to me. But i quit smoking all together now :super:


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