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SnarkyPuffs
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Pins in unconsolidated jars
#13972997 - 02/16/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yo there!
Here's the deal: I have 9 BRF jars that are 3-4 weeks old and although they are not fully consolidated, half of them have pins growing in the damned things.
What to do? Should I leave them closed up or try and birth 'em early (even though one is barely at 75%)?
(I suspect that the pinning is happening because my crappy verm layer mostly collapsed and allowed air in)
thanks!
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Re: Pins in unconsolidated jars [Re: SnarkyPuffs]
#13973005 - 02/16/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I suspect it's because you used the tall half pints.
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OregonChronic
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Re: Pins in unconsolidated jars [Re: Doc_T]
#13973077 - 02/16/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I remember reading somewhere that certain types of bacteria induce early fruiting and that certain species of mushrooms cant even fruit without the bacteria. This might be the reason of early pinning. But im just throwing that out there as an idea 
Is it the bottoms that are uncolonized because if it is the bottoms then DocT is probly right. It might be the dense bottoms of the tall 1/2pints not wanting to colonize fully and it pinned befor it could colonize the rest.
Who knows
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SnarkyPuffs
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Re: Pins in unconsolidated jars [Re: Doc_T]
#13973083 - 02/16/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nope... these are very squat, plastic half-pints. The element of failure was using a vermiculite that wasn't fine enough and it SETTLED and left a big air-gap at the top.
But anyway, the why doesn't concern me but rather what I should do with them at this point.
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Re: Pins in unconsolidated jars [Re: SnarkyPuffs]
#13973091 - 02/16/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The why does concern me. You are misinterpreting the information, there's something wrong. But whenever you are ready to birth, just wash away the uncolonized portion then proceed as normal. Best you can do.
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SnarkyPuffs
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Re: Pins in unconsolidated jars [Re: Doc_T]
#13973114 - 02/16/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks!
I suspect that the collapse of the verm barrier has allowed enough fresh air to get through the lid holes to trigger pinning (these are on an open shelf exposed to ambient room light) -- it's very possible that a crapload of contaminants have settled in via those holes as well but we'll see...
anyway, thanks for the advice!
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Re: Pins in unconsolidated jars [Re: SnarkyPuffs]
#13973211 - 02/16/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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SnarkyPuffs said: (these are on an open shelf exposed to ambient room light) -- it's very possible that a crapload of contaminants have settled in via those holes as well but we'll see...
That is why i have coffee filters rubber banded to my jars and a good dry layer of coarse verm and i dont disturb the jars. If i look at them i be careful to not disturb the dry verm layer.
And i keep them in the top of my closet with the door shut so its "seperated" from the rest of my dirty room.
It'll be like 65F in my room and we'll be smokin a fat blunt with the window open so it doesn't get hotboxed, but my closet will be 75F and a isolated environment.
My closet is basically an "incubator" because i have a heater on the floor set on its thermostat and it keeps the closet 73-79F. I make sure it doesnt get above 79F or below 70F and its been perfect.
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Quote:
OregonChronic said:
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SnarkyPuffs said: (these are on an open shelf exposed to ambient room light) -- it's very possible that a crapload of contaminants have settled in via those holes as well but we'll see...
That is why i have coffee filters rubber banded to my jars and a good dry layer of coarse verm and i dont disturb the jars. If i look at them i be careful to not disturb the dry verm layer.
Where did this coffee filter info come from? I'm tired of reading it...coffee filters filter large particles (like coffee grounds ). In the PF tek, your coarse dry verm layer on top of the BRF is the contam barrier...coffee filter isn't doing shit for ya but keeping coffee outta your jars...
The last tidbit about not disturbing the verm on top good stuff brotha...You can put them on a plastic shelf & just maneuver your head around them to look @ them...or just stop looking @ them and/or messing w/ them.
Mushies have been around for a really long time...& take little effort to grow. As long as you follow the tek & sterile procedure to the T, you shouldn't be worried...I only check on my jars 7 days after inoculation...then shake..then leave for another 10 days...fully colonized in 3 weeks while only checking on them 3 times...Also, it makes it feel like they grow quicker by not checking on them every hour...
But we've all been there...
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OregonChronic
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I dont know why i put the coffee filters on Im a stoner and i figured it would barrier off any blunt smoke or dust from getting into the inoc holes.
I didnt read about it anywhere i just kinda thought to put them on myself.
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It's all good, didn't mean to come off as an asshole...just no reason for them really...
I've just been reading a lot lately of people being all my BRF jars are contammed & I have a coffee filter on top...it's like, duh...
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OregonChronic
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Ya thats funny...contams mostly come from either improper sterilization of substrate or improper inoculation. They dont come after inoc they come either before the inoc or during the inoc.
As long as the dry verm layer is thick and undisturbed it should be good given the sterilization and inoc went cleanly.
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