|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: Tri High]
#13984377 - 02/18/11 12:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Tri High said: Chemicals in water evaporate, just like water does, zappa.
Yeah, so, what does that have to do with "fossil water" or the fact that they evaporate separately?Quote:
I think the proper term may be 'volatilize' but I could be incorrect. It's some fancy term.
 Quote:
But the shit in polluted waters have the ability to get into the air, just like water does.
Some of it. What does that have to do with fossil water? Or with the fact that the water that falls as rain is clean?Quote:
And if not in the air, the stuff flushes with water into the rivers and streams and fuck up the liveability of the water for aquatic animals and the terrestrial animals that drink out of them.
Yes and it flows into the ocean where it becomes salt water. The it evaporates and falls as fresh water. What does that have to do with "fossil water"?Quote:
You're no scientist so don't pretend to be.
I'll put my studies up against 95% of the population.
--------------------
|
AlphaFalfa
imagine


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 3,857
Loc: 3 Seconds Ago.
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: zappaisgod]
#13984601 - 02/18/11 01:04 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Do you know how to read?
imbecils.

it doesn't become a part of the water cycle, as it cannot be recharged at a rate would coincide with the rate of consumption, thereby making it a non-renewable resource!
An example; The ogalla aquifer feeds one of Americas most agriculturally productive zones. it is highly relevant, unless your an imbecil and cow shit for breakfast.
it is the largest aquifer in north america, including all expansive Canadian aquifers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer#Groundwater_recharge
Change in groundwater storage The USGS estimated that total water storage was about 2,925 million acre feet (3,608 km³) in 2005. This is a decline of about 253 million acre feet (312 km³) (or 9%) since substantial ground-water irrigation development began, in the 1950s.[5] Water conservation practices (terracing and crop rotation), more efficient irrigation methods (center pivot and drip), and simply reduced area under irrigation have helped to slow depletion of the aquifer, but levels are generally still dropping. See the figure above for an illustration of the places where large drops in water level have been observed (i.e., the brown areas in southwest Kansas, and in or near the Texas panhandle). In the more humid areas, such as eastern and central Nebraska and south of Lubbock, water levels have risen since 1980.
Withdrawals from the Ogallala Aquifer for irrigation amounted to 26 cubic km (21 million acre feet) in 2000, which is slightly greater than the historical discharge rate of the Colorado River.. As of 2005, the total depletion since pre-development amounted to 253 million acre-feet (312 cubic km).[5] Some estimates say it will dry up in as little as 25 years. Many farmers in the Texas High Plains, which rely particularly on the underground source, are now turning away from irrigated agriculture as they become aware of the hazards of overpumping.[6]
-------------------- if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...
Edited by AlphaFalfa (02/18/11 01:11 PM)
|
AlphaFalfa
imagine


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 3,857
Loc: 3 Seconds Ago.
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13984667 - 02/18/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
There is an easy solution to this problem as well.
USA exports a large percentage of everything grown from water on that aquifer.
A halting of food exports, particularly of grains, a serious long-term investment and effort made by the government to reduce inefficient water use and increasing domestic grain prices and products prices, would all help to make the ogalla have a recharge rate equal or similair to the consumption rate.
Where are all the major news networks on this?
Oh thats right, on terrorism.
-------------------- if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...
|
AlphaFalfa
imagine


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 3,857
Loc: 3 Seconds Ago.
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13984696 - 02/18/11 01:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13985415 - 02/18/11 03:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
AlphaFalfa said: Do you know how to read?
imbecils.

it doesn't become a part of the water cycle, as it cannot be recharged at a rate would coincide with the rate of consumption, thereby making it a non-renewable resource!
Apparently you don't know what the precipitation/evaporation cycle is. Water in general, not water in a puddle, is in cycle. Everything else is a transportation issue.Quote:
The ogalla aquifer feeds one of Americas most agriculturally productive zones. it is highly relevant, unless your an imbecil and cow shit for breakfast.
It never fucking ends. Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer#Groundwater_recharge
Change in groundwater storage The USGS estimated that total water storage was about 2,925 million acre feet (3,608 km³) in 2005. This is a decline of about 253 million acre feet (312 km³) (or 9%) since substantial ground-water irrigation development began, in the 1950s.[5] Water conservation practices (terracing and crop rotation), more efficient irrigation methods (center pivot and drip), and simply reduced area under irrigation have helped to slow depletion of the aquifer, but levels are generally still dropping. See the figure above for an illustration of the places where large drops in water level have been observed (i.e., the brown areas in southwest Kansas, and in or near the Texas panhandle). In the more humid areas, such as eastern and central Nebraska and south of Lubbock, water levels have risen since 1980.
Withdrawals from the Ogallala Aquifer for irrigation amounted to 26 cubic km (21 million acre feet) in 2000, which is slightly greater than the historical discharge rate of the Colorado River.. As of 2005, the total depletion since pre-development amounted to 253 million acre-feet (312 cubic km).[5] Some estimates say it will dry up in as little as 25 years. Many farmers in the Texas High Plains, which rely particularly on the underground source, are now turning away from irrigated agriculture as they become aware of the hazards of overpumping.[6]
If they don't use it what good is it? And what does that have to do with "fossil water"? If it was being replenished it wasn't "fossil water", was it?
The fucking stupid never ends.
--------------------
|
falcon



Registered: 04/01/02
Posts: 8,049
Last seen: 29 minutes, 29 seconds
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: zappaisgod]
#13986180 - 02/18/11 06:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Where the aquifer is depleted, the fauna becomes depleted. Fauna acts as a buffer to wind and water erosion and temperature extremes. When you lose topsoil, the cost of growing goes up and the efficiency goes down. When you have temperatures that dip or rise above the norm for an area, the efficiency of farming for profit goes down.
|
Shins
Fun guy



Registered: 09/15/04
Posts: 16,337
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: falcon]
#13986328 - 02/18/11 07:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
FOX Forced To Apologize On Air Over Ron Paul CPAC Video Deception
"honest mistake" my ass.
They are professional liars.
|
AlphaFalfa
imagine


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 3,857
Loc: 3 Seconds Ago.
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: zappaisgod]
#13986497 - 02/18/11 07:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said:
Quote:
AlphaFalfa said: Do you know how to read?
imbecils.

it doesn't become a part of the water cycle, as it cannot be recharged at a rate would coincide with the rate of consumption, thereby making it a non-renewable resource!
Apparently you don't know what the precipitation/evaporation cycle is. Water in general, not water in a puddle, is in cycle. Everything else is a transportation issue.
Then i wonder why the USGS is making the ogalla an issue....could it be that its because they haven't been blesssed by the awesome genius that is Zappa?

our aY tool.
Quote:
The ogalla aquifer feeds one of Americas most agriculturally productive zones. it is highly relevant, unless your an imbecil and cow shit for breakfast.
It never fucking ends.
it certainly does, except those that usually have something to learn prevent themselves from learning because of an overinflated and convoluted perception of their intelligence Quote:
-------------------- if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...
Edited by AlphaFalfa (02/18/11 08:24 PM)
|
AlphaFalfa
imagine


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 3,857
Loc: 3 Seconds Ago.
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13986687 - 02/18/11 08:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
If they don't use it what good is it? Sustainability is the capacity to endure. In ecology, the word describes how biological systems remain diverse and productive over time. Long-lived and healthy wetlands and forests are examples of sustainable biological systems. For humans, sustainability is the potential for long-term maintenance of well being, which has environmental, economic, and social dimensions. Healthy ecosystems and environments provide vital goods and services to humans and other organisms. There are two major ways of reducing negative human impact and enhancing ecosystem services. The first is environmental management; this approach is based largely on information gained from earth science, environmental science, and conservation biology. The second approach is management of human consumption of resources, which is based largely on information gained from economics. Sustainability interfaces with economics through the social and ecological consequences of economic activity. Sustainability economics involves ecological economics where social, cultural, health-related and monetary/financial aspects are integrated. Moving towards sustainability is also a social challenge that entails international and national law, urban planning and transport, local and individual lifestyles and ethical consumerism. Ways of living more sustainably can take many forms from reorganising living conditions (e.g., ecovillages, eco-municipalities and sustainable cities), reappraising economic sectors (permaculture, green building, sustainable agriculture), or work practices (sustainable architecture), using science to develop new technologies (green technologies, renewable energy), to adjustments in individual lifestyles that conserve natural resources.
READ.
And what does that have to do with "fossil water"? If it was being replenished it wasn't "fossil water", was it?
The fucking stupid never ends.
ARE you serious?
-------------------- if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...
|
ScavengerType


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 5,784
Loc: The North
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: Shins]
#13986914 - 02/18/11 09:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Shins said: "honest mistake" my ass.
They are professional liars.
See this is why it surprised me when I initially read this op title. There's a lot of overlap between CPAC footage viewers and FN viewers... so how did they even think they would get away with it? Oh that's right just apologize and move on.
Well I take it back, Fox didn't give RP the liberal treatment, they apologized and made a statement of retraction.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
|
AlphaFalfa
imagine


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 3,857
Loc: 3 Seconds Ago.
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: ScavengerType]
#13987010 - 02/18/11 09:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
The fucked up part is that the only made the retraction a few times following the clip.
So what about the fellow who watches on the day that the clip aired and didn't watch it until the retractionary statments ceased to be aired?
its another tactic.
-------------------- if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...
|
Cognitive_Shift
CS actual




Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 29,613
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13988838 - 02/19/11 06:25 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
AlphaFalfa said: It's pretty easy to see that the media is corrupted.
QFT
-------------------- L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs
|
AlphaFalfa
imagine


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 3,857
Loc: 3 Seconds Ago.
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#13989602 - 02/19/11 11:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah it is.
And its not because of their shit on terrorism or iran, its the fact that they use this stuff to distract you from critically more important phenomena.
If the ogalla becomes obsolete in 20 years, food prices would soar.
Monstanto would take further control of the food system and people would be finding it harder and harder to live.
Not only that but even the media admits that the economy is still fundamentally fractured, cracked.
Throw in some more problems and all these environmental issues are seriously important.
Thats why i get so pissed at all these people constantly obsessed with shit about 9/11 and who dedicate all their time posting about them.
They care about making the world a better place, but when it comes down to it, they are running around in circles in a rat race, controlled by the media, when there is obviously more important issues.
-------------------- if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13989816 - 02/19/11 12:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I'll be dead in 20 years.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
ScavengerType


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 5,784
Loc: The North
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13989913 - 02/19/11 12:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
You are mistaken if you think that Monsanto will control agriculture in the event of a water shortage. Frankly there is only one water efficient way to incorporate Monsanto products into agriculture and that is hydroponics, simultaneously the most expensive and labor intensive method of agriculture. Monsanto will probibly be the AOL of the agricultural world (There not an ISP anymore wtf do they do for money now? Who knows).
In actuality proper control of the hydrological cycle will probibly be a common method of water conservation on farms when reality forces them to adapt. I recall reading in a book about agricultural management that the use by plants of over-ground sprinkler systems is only 30%, the rest is evaporated. If the water was administered by a source under the ground it goes up to 90%. That's cutting inefficiency by 3 without even having to put in a mulch layer or anything like that.
Some places in the US where the Ogallala aquifer is the water source have actually banned rainwater catchment as a source of water, under the auspices that it "taps the replenishment source" of the aquifer. It's not like it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that rainwater catchment is more efficient than a pump thousands of kilometers into the ground.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
|
AlphaFalfa
imagine


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 3,857
Loc: 3 Seconds Ago.
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: ScavengerType]
#13990416 - 02/19/11 03:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ScavengerType said: 1.You are mistaken if you think that Monsanto will control agriculture in the event of a water shortage. Frankly there is only one water efficient way to incorporate Monsanto products into agriculture and that is hydroponics(SOURCE?), simultaneously the most expensive and labor intensive method of agriculture. Monsanto will probibly be the AOL of the agricultural world (There not an ISP anymore wtf do they do for money now? Who knows).
1.Nop. You've overlooked that a water shortage means a decrease in the food supply, particularly corn and soy bean(monsanto's main seed products).
Look at monsanto's profits in 2008, when the international food crisis was occuring.
Net income rose to $256 million, or 46 cents per share, in the first quarter ended November 30 from $90 million, or 16 cents per share, a year earlier.
Source: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/01/03/businesspro-monsanto-results-dc-idUKWNAS553620080103 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%932008_world_food_price_crisis
In actuality proper control of the hydrological cycle will probibly be a common method of water conservation on farms when reality forces them to adapt. I recall reading in a book about agricultural management that the use by plants of over-ground sprinkler systems is only 30%, the rest is evaporated. If the water was administered by a source under the ground it goes up to 90%. That's cutting inefficiency by 3 without even having to put in a mulch layer or anything like that.
Some places in the US where the Ogallala aquifer is the water source have actually banned rainwater catchment as a source of water, under the auspices that it "taps the replenishment source" of the aquifer. It's not like it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that rainwater catchment is more efficient than a pump thousands of kilometers into the ground.

Also, USA exports a large percentage of the grains and legumes grown from the ogalla. The solution is rather simple; increase efficiency through insentives to farmers to increase the longevity of their farms and its use to their predecessors and a decrease in the amount of exported grain which can be accomplished through increasing domestic grain prices, thereby giving farmers a viable market to sell their crops too.
-------------------- if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...
|
ScavengerType


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 5,784
Loc: The North
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13996163 - 02/20/11 03:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
There is a difference, that food crisis wasn't caused by water shortages.
Their buisness/agricultural model is not compatible with water conservation.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
|
AlphaFalfa
imagine


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 3,857
Loc: 3 Seconds Ago.
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: ScavengerType]
#13996286 - 02/20/11 03:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ScavengerType said: There is a difference, that food crisis wasn't caused by water shortages.
Their buisness/agricultural model is not compatible with water conservation.
Though I agree that monsanto's based farming practice is not compatible with water conservation, it makes no difference...because of two things; demand for monsanto agricultural products(pesticides, fertilizers and seeds) will never cease, regardless of a water shortage and secondly when there is a shortage of supply and demand stays stable(which it always will for monsanto products) food prices become inflated.
These two phenomena combined show that even in a water shortage Monsanto benefits. The only situation where monsanto would become obsolete, is if the water shortages are so bad that monsanto products can simply not be grown. However, in the next 10-15 years, water shortages are more likely to influence pricing and availability(third world), which rather than halting monsanto's consolidation and control of the food system, would only conflate it, as it did in 2008.
-------------------- if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13996315 - 02/20/11 03:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Monsanto products greatly increase crop yields. You got a problem with that?
--------------------
|
AlphaFalfa
imagine


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 3,857
Loc: 3 Seconds Ago.
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: FOX news deceptively edits video from 2011 CPAC [Re: zappaisgod]
#13996917 - 02/20/11 05:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said: Monsanto products greatly increase crop yields. You got a problem with that?
Wanna read my 7 page research intro to the problems we face with monsanto products i did?
-------------------- if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...
|
|