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Free.Your.Mind
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i want to make a difference please help 1
#13969176 - 02/15/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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this drug war business is really starting to get to me iv bled ignorance for to long now i should be our god given right to consume psychoactives especially if they are from mother nature what can i do? what can i do to make change? im sick of waiting for something to happen
Genesis - 1:12 / "I have given you all the seed bearing plants on earth to use"
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
#13969197 - 02/15/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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wonder the same bro join local movements here on ontario there is always a 420 march
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
#13969453 - 02/15/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Genesis - 1:12 / "I have given you all the seed bearing plants on earth to use"
The Bible becomes a joke after psychedelic usage.. atleast it did to me and everyone I know
Its true that plants and shit are here for us to use
You tried dmt yet?
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: laruta_21]
#13969581 - 02/15/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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you can support organizations like MAPS and NORML that are trying to change legislature. you can join SSDP (Students for Sensible Drug Policy). you can write to your government representatives. i mean, none of this is going to change things tomorrow, but they do help take steps toward more realistic and fair drug policies in the future. you could even go into politics, not that you'd have much success if you told voters you wanted to change drug policy. personally, i am currently working towards a phd in psychology so i can hopefully one day work for MAPS or a similar group so i can help get these medicines treated as such in the legal system. theres plenty you can do, the thing is that you have to be committed to the cause enough to keep at it. things aren't going to change overnight.
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: zombi]
#13969597 - 02/15/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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we need egypt style protests for change
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: laruta_21]
#13969629 - 02/15/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Bible becomes a joke after psychedelic usage.. atleast it did to me and everyone I know
Its true that plants and shit are here for us to use
You tried dmt yet?
What makes you think plants are here for us to use? I mean, we can use them...but it doesn't mean their existence is solely for our enjoyment. That just seems like an incredibly egotistical thing to say. That would be like saying humans are here for plants to use. That they farm us and provide us with nutrients so that we will die and pass them back as reusable resources...
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: Dalron]
#13969677 - 02/15/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wasn't referring to just drug plants. Im talking bout fruits and veggies too.I didnt say they had a greater hand behind them. Thats why the bible quote was funny cause there is alot of bad plants out there that would kill you if ingested.
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: Dalron]
#13969715 - 02/15/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dalron said:That would be like saying humans are here for plants to use. That they farm us and provide us with nutrients so that we will die and pass them back as reusable resources...
That seems completely reasonable to me. 
What if the plants are our creators? We could be here only to spread their seed and nourish them.
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: laruta_21]
#13969810 - 02/15/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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laruta_21 said: I wasn't referring to just drug plants. Im talking bout fruits and veggies too.I didnt say they had a greater hand behind them. Thats why the bible quote was funny cause there is alot of bad plants out there that would kill you if ingested.
Ah, serves me right for not reading what you quoted haha. The sarcasm was completely lost on me, my bad :p. I thought you where implying that humans had the right to do what they see fit with the world/organisms because we're the most advanced species! Almost like we are entitled to it. But...in the bibles defense it never says what they're meant to be used for! I mean those bad plants have uses to, like...we could trick Satan into using poison ivy as toilet paper, i'm sure that set back his invasion a couple of days and give us time to prepare!
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: laruta_21]
#13969819 - 02/15/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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laruta_21 said: The Bible becomes a joke after psychedelic usage.. atleast it did to me and everyone I know
Its true that plants and shit are here for us to use
You tried dmt yet?
i love what the bible and jesus represent universal peace and love i look to all religious texts for guidance
no i have not good sir been wanting try some tho so i can be with god for 15 minz :]
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: laruta_21]
#13969821 - 02/15/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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laruta_21 said: we need egypt style protests for change
straight up bro
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: zombi]
#13969844 - 02/15/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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zombi said: i am currently working towards a phd in psychology so i can hopefully one day work for MAPS or a similar group so i can help get these medicines treated as such in the legal system. theres plenty you can do, the thing is that you have to be committed to the cause enough to keep at it. things aren't going to change overnight.
this MAPS you speck of is it just in the field of psychology? im lookin at more of a pharmacology or chemistry fields
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
#13969920 - 02/15/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Free.Your.Mind said:
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laruta_21 said: The Bible becomes a joke after psychedelic usage.. atleast it did to me and everyone I know
Its true that plants and shit are here for us to use
You tried dmt yet?
i love what the bible and jesus represent universal peace and love i look to all religious texts for guidance
no i have not good sir been wanting try some tho so i can be with god for 15 minz :]
Yeah I used to be a "christian" but after I dabled with dmt it showed me that all these religions that around are false. It was a good experience. you should definately make some up so you can I made some onetime in less than 2 days
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
#13969938 - 02/15/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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no it is not. MAPS stands for the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. check it out - http://www.maps.org/home/
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: laruta_21] 1
#13970967 - 02/15/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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laruta_21 said: Genesis - 1:12 / "I have given you all the seed bearing plants on earth to use"
The Bible becomes a joke after psychedelic usage.. atleast it did to me and everyone I know
Its true that plants and shit are here for us to use
You tried dmt yet?
Psychedelics made the bible make sense to me. Before it seemed pretty far fetched. Now it seems quite logical.
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: mattritt]
#13971052 - 02/15/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah psychedelics effect everyone different when it comes to God stuff. I always liked the quote "Religion ruined God" can't remember who said it though. Anyways somethingthat bible verse reminded me of was that regardless of how crazy you think the bible is, it is a corner stone of Christianity and Judaism. America is supposed to have freedom of religion so if it say's in the bible that God gave us all seed bearing plants for our use then to make any plant illegal is a violation of our rights.
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: zombi]
#13971240 - 02/15/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The drug war is about control. The problem is that the government appears to take the philosophy that your life is not your own, it is everyones, and that for the sake of everyone certain rules must be established. This is not necessarily bad, yet when laws intended to sanctify the concept of a dense populus society are passed, individualism gets crucified.
However, popular opinion seems to be what guides the government in making its choices. Popular opinion can be misguided, missinformed, and easily manipulated. Especially when the only popular votes that really matter are the ones that are taking place on the floors of the House of Representatives and the Senate. This isn't neccessarily the "evil" that everyone makes it out to be. They all (well most) have good intentions. However, with that being said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The crusades did more harm than good, for example, and they were considered to be noble causes. Not always is popular opinion the best way to do things.
Drug laws and the ensuing drug war seems to be intended to sanctify the concept of society as a whole, guided by the popular opinion of elected officials in an effort to control society that have been misguided and misinformed about how realistic the dangers of drugs really are. (Take for example the reason the government outlawed piperazines because of misrepresented information about the causes of death of some people.) Now, some information is legitamate, such as addiction potentials of opiates. One only has to go down a few forums and read posts in the ODD about how difficult of a time people have getting off of opiates.
This information appears to have been used to create an agency (there were many at first) that fills its ranks with like minded individuals who only have one mission statement: "Society as a whole is stupid, we need to protect society from itself." This seems to have created an agency that though intends well, will never truely understand the population that they govern, and therefore will act only in the extreme in which they have been structured to operate in. Which leads me to believe that it is not the agency itself that needs to be changed, it is the structure of the way they and the government operate.
This is something that I'd like to make a difference in, however the task seems to be so daunting and dangerous (want to be labeled a terrorist?) that I've decided to just exist and try not to piss anyone off. I don't know if I'm really helping at all, but i wrote too much to not post this.
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I think the best thing to do is to effect change in the opposite direction. It is true to a certain extent that the laws of this country reflect the popular opinion of the people. Look at whats happening with pot. More and more polls have been showing that less and less people are against it. It takes time but more and more states are decriminalizing it or making it legal for medicinal usage. Even Arizona just passed medicinal. There are a lot less people who think shrooms are ok, so I think our job is to spread that word. I talk about shrooms with pretty much everyone I know, except my boss. I have converted a couple people but actually most people I meet don't need converting. I say don't worry to much about the government, just do what you want regardless of what they say. I know thats what everyone here is doing and it sucks that we have to be all undercover about it but the gov has always been oppressive. But it only has power as long as people obey, so just don't.
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: unfoldedbrain]
#13972672 - 02/16/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok new thought to add to that. Some laws are necessary, like murder, stealing... In this country the majority of the people get to choose what laws are necessary and which aren't. The people have chosen that drugs are bad M'kay So if policy change happened anywhere but from the bottom up it would be a violation of the peoples right to choose what their society deems to be acceptable. The main problems with this though as people have said, misinformation is whats causing people to choose that way and that misinformation is spread by the gov, which is inherently corrupt. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" I think the message to spread to the people then is as I said earlier, don't listen to the government. Do what you want, do your own research, think for yourself, make your own decisions. Everyone in the world is a free man, they just have to realize that. Until they deploy the thought police!
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Re: i want to make a difference please help [Re: unfoldedbrain]
#13975791 - 02/16/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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mattritt said: Psychedelics made the bible make sense to me. Before it seemed pretty far fetched. Now it seems quite logical.
same here my friend
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unfoldedbrain said: I always liked the quote "Religion ruined God" can't remember who said it though.
indeed it has my god have mercy on those who use his name in vain
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unfoldedbrain said: America is supposed to have freedom of religion so if it say's in the bible that God gave us all seed bearing plants for our use then to make any plant illegal is a violation of our rights.
like when radicals say "oh pot is the devils plant" wtf the first passage in the bible is about plants
   ignorance pisses me off more than anything in the universe i consider cannabis a religious sacrament just as much as psilocybin
Edited by Free.Your.Mind (02/16/11 08:54 PM)
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