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NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?...
    #13965029 - 02/14/11 11:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

did the koch bros lobby the titular justices to rule in their favour in citizens united...they prolly would have done so anyway..nevertheless..this should be grounds for impeachment if its true ..

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/15/us/politics/15thomas.html?_r=1&hpw

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Common Cause Asks Court About Thomas Speech
By ERIC LICHTBLAU

WASHINGTON — Discrepancies in reports about an appearance by Justice Clarence Thomas at a political retreat for wealthy conservatives three years ago have prompted new questions to the Supreme Court from a group that advocates changing campaign finance laws.

When questions were first raised about the retreat last month, a court spokeswoman said Justice Thomas had made a “brief drop-by” at the event in Palm Springs, Calif., in January 2008 and had given a talk.

In his financial disclosure report for that year, however, Justice Thomas reported that the Federalist Society, a prominent conservative legal group, had reimbursed him an undisclosed amount for four days of “transportation, meals and accommodations” over the weekend of the retreat. The event is organized by Charles and David Koch, brothers who have used millions of dollars from the energy conglomerate they run in Wichita, Kan., to finance conservative causes.

Arn Pearson, a vice president at the advocacy group Common Cause, said the two statements appeared at odds. His group sent a letter to the Supreme Court on Monday asking for “further clarification” as to whether the justice spent four days at the retreat for the entire event or was there only briefly.

“I don’t think the explanation they’ve given is credible,” Mr. Pearson said in an interview. He said that if Justice Thomas’s visit was a “four-day, all-expenses paid trip in sunny Palm Springs,” it should have been reported as a gift under federal law.

The Supreme Court had no comment on the issue Monday. Nor did officials at the Federalist Society or at Koch Industries.

Common Cause maintains that Justice Thomas should have disqualified himself from last year’s landmark campaign finance ruling in the Citizens United case, partly because of his ties to the Koch brothers.

In a petition filed with the Justice Department last month, the advocacy group said past appearances at the Koch brothers’ retreat by Justice Thomas and Justice Antonin Scalia, along with the conservative political work of Justice Thomas’s wife, had created a possible perception of bias in hearing the case.

The Citizens United decision, with Justice Thomas’s support, freed corporations to engage in direct political spending with little public disclosure. The Koch brothers have been among the main beneficiaries, political analysts say.





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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #13965227 - 02/14/11 11:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That does definitely sound like a fishy situation. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Does anyone know what the proceedings are for this type of situation? Not only against the two judges but for the citizens united ruling as well.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #13965808 - 02/15/11 03:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So the court spokesman says he dropped by briefly at an event yet he disclosed reimbursment for a four day lodging and travel to the area of the event.

What is inconsistant here?  The quoted text doesn't say anything about the court's representation of where he was when he was not at the event or how long he was in the area, and unless the federalist society rented out the entire Palm Springs area, I see no inconsistency with the suggestion that he only stopped by the federalist society's event despite being in town for the surrounding days.

The requirements for a spokesman's report (none) differ from that of the requirements for a judicial financial disclosure filing, and given that the later is more expansive than the former, I see nothing overtly troubling here.

What exactly is the problem?  That the court spokesman neglected to speak about what the Justice was doing in the days surrounding his talk?  Were they even asked?  From the quoted text there is no indication that they were, and the description of the reply explicitly states that the spokesman was speaking about the brevity of his attendance at the Federalist Society event, saying nothing of how long he was in the area or whether he did anything else while in town.

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: johnm214]
    #13966891 - 02/15/11 10:53 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It's crap raised by a sore loser who wants the rest of us to shut the fuck up.  I am more concerned by the judges who voted against Citizens United.  The should be expelled from the bench for treason.  Or dementia.

Also, that had nothing to do with Scalia.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: johnm214]
    #13967164 - 02/15/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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So the court spokesman says he dropped by briefly at an event yet he disclosed reimbursment for a four day lodging and travel to the area of the event.

What is inconsistant here?  The quoted text doesn't say anything about the court's representation of where he was when he was not at the event or how long he was in the area, and unless the federalist society rented out the entire Palm Springs area, I see no inconsistency with the suggestion that he only stopped by the federalist society's event despite being in town for the surrounding days.

The requirements for a spokesman's report (none) differ from that of the requirements for a judicial financial disclosure filing, and given that the later is more expansive than the former, I see nothing overtly troubling here.

What exactly is the problem?  That the court spokesman neglected to speak about what the Justice was doing in the days surrounding his talk?  Were they even asked?  From the quoted text there is no indication that they were, and the description of the reply explicitly states that the spokesman was speaking about the brevity of his attendance at the Federalist Society event, saying nothing of how long he was in the area or whether he did anything else while in town.





the mere fact that they were there is suspicious...i dont know exactly how much $$$ the koch bros reimbursed...but ill bet that most ppl prolly would consider that amount of $$$ to be a bribe...


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #13967361 - 02/15/11 12:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Two conservatives in a room grooving with a pict is a conspiracy to you.

Should all men view a female justice speaking at a woman's conference as suspiciously?


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: johnm214]
    #13967362 - 02/15/11 12:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Koch donates massive sums to Citizens United annually and I'm pretty sure he actually had something to do with it's founding (not sure if I'm confusing it with many of the other similar organizations he's started from scratch). How could you be OK with this? Even if it's not bribery (umbrella bribery), the closeness of the judge to the individual and organizations in question does mean that he should have recused himself from weighing an opinion.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13967569 - 02/15/11 01:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Two conservatives in a room grooving with a pict is a conspiracy to you.




if one of them is a justice on the SCOTUS..and the other is charles or david koch (etc..etc).. then yes..i do smell a rat...

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Should all men view a female justice speaking at a woman's conference as suspiciously?




why only the men??...if their wining & dining or otherwise butterating her up ahead of a ruling which is relevant to their political agenda.. then it shouldnt be just the men who should be concerned...although i cant see that happening with the current calculus on the SCOTUS...


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #13967677 - 02/15/11 01:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Two conservatives in a room grooving with a pict is a conspiracy to you.




if one of them is a justice on the SCOTUS..and the other is charles or david koch (etc..etc).. then yes..i do smell a rat...




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Should all men view a female justice speaking at a woman's conference as suspiciously?




why only the men??...if their wining & dining or otherwise butterating her up ahead of a ruling which is relevant to their political agenda.. then it shouldnt be just the men who should be concerned...although i cant see that happening with the current calculus on the SCOTUS...




Why only men?  Because by your calculus they would be the party that would expect to lose out due to improper influence.

These Common Cause fucks are only interested in one thing.  Influencing the Court.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13968416 - 02/15/11 03:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ooohh..now i get it...its OK for the koch bros to influence the SCOTUS via wholesale bribery and conspiracy.. but not for common cause to do so by calling them out...i totally forgot that the right thinks in terms of double standards...

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #13968447 - 02/15/11 03:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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ooohh..now i get it...its OK for the koch bros to influence the SCOTUS via wholesale bribery and conspiracy.. but not for common cause to do so by calling them out...i totally forgot that the right thinks in terms of double standards...



What bribery?  I can, however, cite attempted intimidation.......

Do you think Ruth Bader Ginsburg never had her travel expenses paid?


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14009622 - 02/22/11 08:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Justice Thomas knowingly and intentionally violated tax law and legally mandated reporting requirements of his office. Any other Attorney doing so would face jail time and disbarment. There is a clear violation of his Constitutionally defined duties in the form of enacting high crimes and misdemeanors. This is the definition of actions required to initiate and find for his Impeachment by Congress and Removal by the Senate.

Frankly I find it disgusting that some of you would try to excuse this type of behavior.

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: JohnnyUtah]
    #14012353 - 02/23/11 08:40 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

No attorney or politician (or private individual for that matter) would face jail time for that minor an infraction.  See Tim Geithner and Charlie Rangel, both of whom did much worse.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: JohnnyUtah]
    #14012392 - 02/23/11 08:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Justice Thomas knowingly and intentionally violated tax law and legally mandated reporting requirements of his office. Any other Attorney doing so would face jail time and disbarment. There is a clear violation of his Constitutionally defined duties in the form of enacting high crimes and misdemeanors. This is the definition of actions required to initiate and find for his Impeachment by Congress and Removal by the Senate.

Frankly I find it disgusting that some of you would try to excuse this type of behavior.





What law did he violate?  I wasn't aware of that. If this is true, then this is more serious. 


Either way, I'm not familiar with the decision in question, but the campaign finance laws and similar restraints on public advocacy are clearly treading on first amendment ground, and Thomas is pretty much one of the most predictable and solid thinkers on the court.  Even those things I disagree with him on are pretty easy to identify and use to predict how he'll come out on a case.  I personally have no thought that he actually could be influenced in such a manner on such a case.  Some of the more wishy washy Justices that search out the law in the stars, however....  I don't know how you'd tell.

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: johnm214]
    #14012564 - 02/23/11 09:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

He had to report the gift because of the amount of reimbursement he received from Koch's organization Johnm. This is the law he broke. The amount of money that he received in reimbursement from them was enough that it was legally required to be reported that was the "law" and he did not report the income which was how he "broke" it. Is that sound clearer?


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14012647 - 02/23/11 09:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

There's never a bad time to bring up the fact that Thomas has not spoken a single word during oral arguments in 5 years.

FIVE YEARS.

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: jimbotron]
    #14013075 - 02/23/11 11:44 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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He had to report the gift because of the amount of reimbursement he received from Koch's organization Johnm. This is the law he broke. The amount of money that he received in reimbursement from them was enough that it was legally required to be reported that was the "law" and he did not report the income which was how he "broke" it. Is that sound clearer?




Do you have a citation to this law and evidence that he violated it- exceeded whatever level of gratuity requires whatever type of disclosure?


The original article seems much ado about nothing, but if he intentionally  didn't disclose compensation, I do regard that as a serious matter he should be investigated for or perhaps prosecuted for.  From what it sounds like, he did not report the value of the compensation which was allegedly required to be reported, yes?

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There's never a bad time to bring up the fact that Thomas has not spoken a single word during oral arguments in 5 years.

FIVE YEARS.





What's that got to do with anything?  Have you listened to those arguments?  A lot of it is surprisingly stupid and consists of speculation and grandstanding.  I wish they'd also make the damn lawyers answer the questions when they finally get around to asking one.

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: jimbotron]
    #14013080 - 02/23/11 11:45 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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There's never a bad time to bring up the fact that Thomas has not spoken a single word during oral arguments in 5 years.

FIVE YEARS.



So?  They're mostly theater.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: johnm214]
    #14013192 - 02/23/11 12:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That's at minimum a 4 if not 5 figure trip. Give me a break man, he tried to file that as if he was being reimbursed to speak there then spent the whole 4 days there. It was a gift and if he filed it as such he would have to recuse himself. This is why he lied.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14013345 - 02/23/11 12:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

NY times said today that the justice department will no longer be pursuing the federal law banning gay marriage.

So, without a law being repealed, the justice dept. can decide to no longer mess with people over the laws on the books.

What kind of shit is this, I ask?


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    #14013378 - 02/23/11 12:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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NY times said today that the justice department will no longer be pursuing the federal law banning gay marriage.

So, without a law being repealed, the justice dept. can decide to no longer mess with people over the laws on the books.

What kind of shit is this, I ask?



An imperial Presidency.  Just like the "laws are for Whitey" Justice Department didn't pursue the New Black Panther voter intimidation case.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14013402 - 02/23/11 12:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Imperial raises the thought of Empire, and we're not really empiring on other places so much as getting our hands on their throats for oil rights.

But we're not trying to take over. 

Fuck the government.  Make it local so more people care about it and the laws directly affect those that have a say in them.

Keep the EPA though because they have done good (and really dumb/bad) things for the environment.

By EPA I mean the Clean Water Act and Oil Pollution Prevention acts. 

Those are seriously important pieces of legislation.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Tri High]
    #14013580 - 02/23/11 01:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well no, it just implies an emperor.  But I think you may actually be onto something about small governments being better governments.

The EPA?  They need to be smacked a bit.  CO2 is not a pollutant and it is the height of stupidity to treat milk spills like oil spills just because there is fat in milk.  Oy.


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    #14014094 - 02/23/11 02:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with that mostly.

but fat and oils are pollutants.

Smacked some, yes, but the CWA is very important in my opinion.


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    #14014447 - 02/23/11 03:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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NY times said today that the justice department will no longer be pursuing the federal law banning gay marriage.

So, without a law being repealed, the justice dept. can decide to no longer mess with people over the laws on the books.

What kind of shit is this, I ask?



An imperial Presidency.  Just like the "laws are for Whitey" Justice Department didn't pursue the New Black Panther voter intimidation case.





Should the president enforce an unconstitutional law?  The matter of prosecutorial discression and executive power is a tough one for me to figure, but I do feel pretty safe in saying a president should not enforce an unconstitutional law.  This would seem to be a duty of him and a check on the legislature's populist nonsense.

BTW, what federal law against gay marriage?  The "defense of marriage" law? (with a name like that, you know it has to contain some bullshit)

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CO2 is not a pollutant and it is the height of stupidity to treat milk spills like oil spills just because there is fat in milk.  Oy.




What is your argumetn for CO2 not be being a pollutant?  The phrase "pollutant" in popular use and in the law seems to be similar to "drug": a relatively meaningless phrase whose meaning is a result of the prejudice and views of the person.  Anything can cause harm and I'm imagining the statute defining such is nice and ridiculous, as usual (though nothing can top the definitions of drugs, such as the provision which makes the entire mixture or solution containing a substance legally defined as that substance)

Whats the deal with the milk spill stuff?  IS this stupid law that made them treat oils a particular way, or is it actually their own rulemaking doing this out of the blue?  I generally don't trust these groups like the FDA, EPA, FCC, DEA, that get legislative power via a relatively blank check from congress.  That should be congress's job, at least it would slow down the garbage being produced if they had to deal with it all.  Most of that crap shouldn't be a federal issue anyways.


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That's at minimum a 4 if not 5 figure trip. Give me a break man, he tried to file that as if he was being reimbursed to speak there then spent the whole 4 days there. It was a gift and if he filed it as such he would have to recuse himself. This is why he lied.




I don't know what your claiming is so ridiculous here about my request... I don't know what the law is as to those things, and I certainly don't know what Thomas did or did not have to do.  Do you have a source for the claim that he tried to pass this off as something else?  The article just mentions the spokesman for the court, and they didn't even address the issue to the extent the article says- an issue I've addressed previously and recieved no rebuttal to.

Anyways, I believe your pretty plainly incorrect about the recusal buisness.  There's a pretty clear body of law on the subject, and something like this seems unlikely to merit recusall off hand- what exactly is the argument for him being unable to be impartial?


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There's never a bad time to bring up the fact that Thomas has not spoken a single word during oral arguments in 5 years.

FIVE YEARS.



So?  They're mostly theater.





Especially when Breyer opens his mouth.  That guy seems to love to hear himself speak and fancies himself some sort of empiricist.  I think its pretty improper for him to consider studies first raised in oral argument, which he asks for all the time (of course we can't know what he considered).  It seems to me the guy is probably unaware of scientific methodology and statistics, at least from his oral arguments, and I really don't trust him to interpret things correctly with respect to a case.  It also seems surprisingly common for Justices to ask about basic factual information about the background subject matter at interest- something I think is again a bit improper as the lawyers should not be giving evidence.  In things dealing with science especially, the representations of counsel often seems misleading or wrong to me.  (one of the lsd mass/carrier mass cases comes to mind, I think the last one, though I forget what the factual assertions were I found misleading).

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: johnm214]
    #14014496 - 02/23/11 03:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The law being discussed is the Defense of Marriage Act.  Duly passed by the Congress, signed into law by the President and is thus within the responsibilities of the Justice Department to be defended when attacked.  Prosecutorial discretion is moot.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: johnm214]
    #14014581 - 02/23/11 03:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Should the president enforce an unconstitutional law?  The matter of prosecutorial discression and executive power is a tough one for me to figure, but I do feel pretty safe in saying a president should not enforce an unconstitutional law.  This would seem to be a duty of him and a check on the legislature's populist nonsense.




It's not up to him to declare a law unconstitutional. That is the job of the courts. Until then he is duty bound to enforce it.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14044801 - 02/28/11 07:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Two conservatives in a room grooving with a pict is a conspiracy to you.

Should all men view a female justice speaking at a woman's conference as suspiciously?




Two Koch brothers doing ANYTHING is a conspiracy against the republic.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: TGRR]
    #14048614 - 03/01/11 01:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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TGRR said:
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Two conservatives in a room grooving with a pict is a conspiracy to you.

Should all men view a female justice speaking at a woman's conference as suspiciously?




Two Koch brothers doing ANYTHING is a conspiracy against the republic.



My how fascist of you, Napolean.  L'etat c'est vous?


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14049960 - 03/01/11 05:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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TGRR said:
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zappaisgod said:
Two conservatives in a room grooving with a pict is a conspiracy to you.

Should all men view a female justice speaking at a woman's conference as suspiciously?




Two Koch brothers doing ANYTHING is a conspiracy against the republic.



My how fascist of you, Napolean.  L'etat c'est vous?






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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: TGRR]
    #14050599 - 03/01/11 07:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:laugh2:


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Net]
    #14051760 - 03/01/11 10:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Should the president enforce an unconstitutional law?  The matter of prosecutorial discression and executive power is a tough one for me to figure, but I do feel pretty safe in saying a president should not enforce an unconstitutional law.




Thats funny, how is attempting to force the citizens of a country to purchase a product that they do not want, and then imposing a fine on those that do not do so constitutional? Methinks the negro is mired in hypocrisy. Are our immigration laws unconstitutional? I don't thinks so, yet he refuses to allow law enforcement to do the job they were sworn to, and paid to do by the american taxpayer.

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14051922 - 03/01/11 11:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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NY times said today that the justice department will no longer be pursuing the federal law banning gay marriage.

So, without a law being repealed, the justice dept. can decide to no longer mess with people over the laws on the books.

What kind of shit is this, I ask?



An imperial Presidency.  Just like the "laws are for Whitey" Justice Department didn't pursue the New Black Panther voter intimidation case.




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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Therian]
    #14055704 - 03/02/11 04:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Methinks the negro is mired in hypocrisy.





Jesus Christ.  :lol:


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