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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Tri High]
    #14013378 - 02/23/11 12:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Tri High said:
NY times said today that the justice department will no longer be pursuing the federal law banning gay marriage.

So, without a law being repealed, the justice dept. can decide to no longer mess with people over the laws on the books.

What kind of shit is this, I ask?



An imperial Presidency.  Just like the "laws are for Whitey" Justice Department didn't pursue the New Black Panther voter intimidation case.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14013402 - 02/23/11 12:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Imperial raises the thought of Empire, and we're not really empiring on other places so much as getting our hands on their throats for oil rights.

But we're not trying to take over. 

Fuck the government.  Make it local so more people care about it and the laws directly affect those that have a say in them.

Keep the EPA though because they have done good (and really dumb/bad) things for the environment.

By EPA I mean the Clean Water Act and Oil Pollution Prevention acts. 

Those are seriously important pieces of legislation.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Tri High]
    #14013580 - 02/23/11 01:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well no, it just implies an emperor.  But I think you may actually be onto something about small governments being better governments.

The EPA?  They need to be smacked a bit.  CO2 is not a pollutant and it is the height of stupidity to treat milk spills like oil spills just because there is fat in milk.  Oy.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14014094 - 02/23/11 02:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with that mostly.

but fat and oils are pollutants.

Smacked some, yes, but the CWA is very important in my opinion.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14014447 - 02/23/11 03:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Tri High said:
NY times said today that the justice department will no longer be pursuing the federal law banning gay marriage.

So, without a law being repealed, the justice dept. can decide to no longer mess with people over the laws on the books.

What kind of shit is this, I ask?



An imperial Presidency.  Just like the "laws are for Whitey" Justice Department didn't pursue the New Black Panther voter intimidation case.





Should the president enforce an unconstitutional law?  The matter of prosecutorial discression and executive power is a tough one for me to figure, but I do feel pretty safe in saying a president should not enforce an unconstitutional law.  This would seem to be a duty of him and a check on the legislature's populist nonsense.

BTW, what federal law against gay marriage?  The "defense of marriage" law? (with a name like that, you know it has to contain some bullshit)

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CO2 is not a pollutant and it is the height of stupidity to treat milk spills like oil spills just because there is fat in milk.  Oy.




What is your argumetn for CO2 not be being a pollutant?  The phrase "pollutant" in popular use and in the law seems to be similar to "drug": a relatively meaningless phrase whose meaning is a result of the prejudice and views of the person.  Anything can cause harm and I'm imagining the statute defining such is nice and ridiculous, as usual (though nothing can top the definitions of drugs, such as the provision which makes the entire mixture or solution containing a substance legally defined as that substance)

Whats the deal with the milk spill stuff?  IS this stupid law that made them treat oils a particular way, or is it actually their own rulemaking doing this out of the blue?  I generally don't trust these groups like the FDA, EPA, FCC, DEA, that get legislative power via a relatively blank check from congress.  That should be congress's job, at least it would slow down the garbage being produced if they had to deal with it all.  Most of that crap shouldn't be a federal issue anyways.


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That's at minimum a 4 if not 5 figure trip. Give me a break man, he tried to file that as if he was being reimbursed to speak there then spent the whole 4 days there. It was a gift and if he filed it as such he would have to recuse himself. This is why he lied.




I don't know what your claiming is so ridiculous here about my request... I don't know what the law is as to those things, and I certainly don't know what Thomas did or did not have to do.  Do you have a source for the claim that he tried to pass this off as something else?  The article just mentions the spokesman for the court, and they didn't even address the issue to the extent the article says- an issue I've addressed previously and recieved no rebuttal to.

Anyways, I believe your pretty plainly incorrect about the recusal buisness.  There's a pretty clear body of law on the subject, and something like this seems unlikely to merit recusall off hand- what exactly is the argument for him being unable to be impartial?


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There's never a bad time to bring up the fact that Thomas has not spoken a single word during oral arguments in 5 years.

FIVE YEARS.



So?  They're mostly theater.





Especially when Breyer opens his mouth.  That guy seems to love to hear himself speak and fancies himself some sort of empiricist.  I think its pretty improper for him to consider studies first raised in oral argument, which he asks for all the time (of course we can't know what he considered).  It seems to me the guy is probably unaware of scientific methodology and statistics, at least from his oral arguments, and I really don't trust him to interpret things correctly with respect to a case.  It also seems surprisingly common for Justices to ask about basic factual information about the background subject matter at interest- something I think is again a bit improper as the lawyers should not be giving evidence.  In things dealing with science especially, the representations of counsel often seems misleading or wrong to me.  (one of the lsd mass/carrier mass cases comes to mind, I think the last one, though I forget what the factual assertions were I found misleading).

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: johnm214]
    #14014496 - 02/23/11 03:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The law being discussed is the Defense of Marriage Act.  Duly passed by the Congress, signed into law by the President and is thus within the responsibilities of the Justice Department to be defended when attacked.  Prosecutorial discretion is moot.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: johnm214]
    #14014581 - 02/23/11 03:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Should the president enforce an unconstitutional law?  The matter of prosecutorial discression and executive power is a tough one for me to figure, but I do feel pretty safe in saying a president should not enforce an unconstitutional law.  This would seem to be a duty of him and a check on the legislature's populist nonsense.




It's not up to him to declare a law unconstitutional. That is the job of the courts. Until then he is duty bound to enforce it.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14044801 - 02/28/11 07:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Two conservatives in a room grooving with a pict is a conspiracy to you.

Should all men view a female justice speaking at a woman's conference as suspiciously?




Two Koch brothers doing ANYTHING is a conspiracy against the republic.


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: TGRR]
    #14048614 - 03/01/11 01:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Two conservatives in a room grooving with a pict is a conspiracy to you.

Should all men view a female justice speaking at a woman's conference as suspiciously?




Two Koch brothers doing ANYTHING is a conspiracy against the republic.



My how fascist of you, Napolean.  L'etat c'est vous?


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14049960 - 03/01/11 05:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Two conservatives in a room grooving with a pict is a conspiracy to you.

Should all men view a female justice speaking at a woman's conference as suspiciously?




Two Koch brothers doing ANYTHING is a conspiracy against the republic.



My how fascist of you, Napolean.  L'etat c'est vous?






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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: TGRR]
    #14050599 - 03/01/11 07:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:laugh2:


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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Net]
    #14051760 - 03/01/11 10:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Should the president enforce an unconstitutional law?  The matter of prosecutorial discression and executive power is a tough one for me to figure, but I do feel pretty safe in saying a president should not enforce an unconstitutional law.




Thats funny, how is attempting to force the citizens of a country to purchase a product that they do not want, and then imposing a fine on those that do not do so constitutional? Methinks the negro is mired in hypocrisy. Are our immigration laws unconstitutional? I don't thinks so, yet he refuses to allow law enforcement to do the job they were sworn to, and paid to do by the american taxpayer.

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14051922 - 03/01/11 11:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Tri High said:
NY times said today that the justice department will no longer be pursuing the federal law banning gay marriage.

So, without a law being repealed, the justice dept. can decide to no longer mess with people over the laws on the books.

What kind of shit is this, I ask?



An imperial Presidency.  Just like the "laws are for Whitey" Justice Department didn't pursue the New Black Panther voter intimidation case.




Wat

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Re: NYTIMES ..did koch bros lobby thomas & scalia?... [Re: Therian]
    #14055704 - 03/02/11 04:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Methinks the negro is mired in hypocrisy.





Jesus Christ.  :lol:


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