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Iranian Protest
Thoughts?
I am not too familiar with Iran's past, but I know of their oppressive regime. Inspiration from Egypt?
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I'm a little skeptical because the last protests they had aiming to remove Ahmadinejad failed to remove him from office. While the population of Iran may be emboldened (by Egypt) to carry on their revolution on until Ahmadinejad is out, the pendulum does swing both ways and he may actually be emboldened to try to stay in power because of his previous victory over secular democracy. So I'm not as confident as with the Egyptians that there will be success but none-the-less I wish them luck.
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In my view this is an attempt by the anglo-american empire to depose Iran's government. Partly because they are trying to develop their economy independent of the west, partly because they are getting too friendly with China and Russia and partly just for general destabilization of the middle east in order to achieve the Bernard Lewis plan of splitting the middle east along ethnic lines. They think if they can achieve this "Balkanization" of the middle east it will lead to ethnic violence like in the original Balkans giving the anglo-american empire an excuse to move in to "normalise" the region like in Kosovo. Zbigniew Brzezinski is behind this.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11313
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkanization
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Batty Koda said: In my view this is an attempt by the anglo-american empire to depose Iran's government. Partly because they are trying to develop their economy independent of the west, partly because they are getting too friendly with China and Russia and partly just for general destabilization of the middle east in order to achieve the Bernard Lewis plan of splitting the middle east along ethnic lines. They think if they can achieve this "Balkanization" of the middle east it will lead to ethnic violence like in the original Balkans giving the anglo-american empire an excuse to move in to "normalise" the region like in Kosovo. Zbigniew Brzezinski is behind this.
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Batty Koda said: I'm starting to think that half of the people on this website are just 16 year olds who like to talk non-sensical bollocks and pretend that there is some deep meaning to it, or have just fried their brains with too many psychodelics and become detached from reality.
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^^^ Juxtaposition, ftw!
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Admittedly I have learned a lot more about the anglo-american empire since I wrote that, maybe I shouldn't be took quick to judge people crazy. But it's not my fault nobody showed me the evidence for these sinister goings on earlier.
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Batty Koda said: Admittedly I have learned a lot more about the anglo-american empire since I wrote that, maybe I shouldn't be took quick to judge people crazy. But it's not my fault nobody showed me the evidence for these sinister goings on earlier.
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Batty Koda said: I'm starting to think that half of the people on this website are just 16 year olds who like to talk non-sensical bollocks and pretend that there is some deep meaning to it, or have just fried their brains with too many psychodelics and become detached from reality.
Let me suggest right off that whatever morons you are listening to who have told you that either the Anglo-American or Jewish cabal runs the entire world you most certainly need to step away from that simplistically retarded chalupah. It is not only relentlessly idiotic and completely contradicted by real events but it bespeaks a weakness to even seek that kind of simplicity. The world is not and has never been that simple and it takes a particular kind of mental defective to disseminate bilge like that.
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Let me suggest right off that whatever morons you are listening to who have told you that either the Anglo-American or Jewish cabal runs the entire world you most certainly need to step away from that simplistically retarded chalupah. It is not only relentlessly idiotic and completely contradicted by real events but it bespeaks a weakness to even seek that kind of simplicity. The world is not and has never been that simple and it takes a particular kind of mental defective to disseminate bilge like that.
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Batty Koda said: In my view this is an attempt by the anglo-american empire to depose Iran's government. Partly because they are trying to develop their economy independent of the west, partly because they are getting too friendly with China and Russia and partly just for general destabilization of the middle east in order to achieve the Bernard Lewis plan of splitting the middle east along ethnic lines. They think if they can achieve this "Balkanization" of the middle east it will lead to ethnic violence like in the original Balkans giving the anglo-american empire an excuse to move in to "normalise" the region like in Kosovo. Zbigniew Brzezinski is behind this.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11313
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkanization
Does this sound simple to you? In actual fact it's very complicated, the difference between believing an anglo-american empire exists or not is that world events make sense if you do and are bizzare and coincidental if you don't. Also I've never said a Jewish cabal runs the world, I think most of the blame lies with the bankers in the City of London and Wall Street, although Isreal along with the Netherlands are included in the anglo-american empire. I advise you to watch less TV.
This is one of the morons I listen to if your interested.
Try to ignore the close-up on his face at the beginning, it seems unnessesary to me too.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Tarpley
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Webster Griffin Tarpley is a Marxist historian,[1] author, journalist, lecturer, and critic of US foreign and domestic policy. Tarpley maintains that the September 11 attacks were engineered by a rogue network of the military industrial complex and intelligence agencies.[2] His writings and speeches describe a model of false flag terror operations by a rogue network in the military/intelligence sector working with moles in the private sector and in corporate media, and locates such contemporary false flag operations in a historical context stretching back in the English speaking world to at least the "gunpowder plot" in England in 1605. He also maintains that "The notion of anthropogenic global warming is a fraud."[3]
He's got exactly one thing right. And yes, positing a grand Anglo-American control is insane and simplistic. We don't have the resources. If we had those resources do you think we'd put up with 10% of the shit that goes on?
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read this:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_17415588?nclick_check=1
i'm so sick of the middle east being a second america as far as everyone is concerned. it is not another part of the united states, like Hawaii or Alaska. I know you are talking about iran and not afghanistan or Israel, but honestly lol I just keep seeing this and wanted to mention that.
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He's got exactly one thing right. And yes, positing a grand Anglo-American control is insane and simplistic. We don't have the resources. If we had those resources do you think we'd put up with 10% of the shit that goes on?
Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder. The people in power don't give a shit about 99% of the shit that goes on, they are currently using Islam as a tool to expand the empire, they have to be sly like that because as you point out they don't have the resources to do it openly and directly.Quote:
imachavel said: read this:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_17415588?nclick_check=1
i'm so sick of the middle east being a second america as far as everyone is concerned. it is not another part of the united states, like Hawaii or Alaska. I know you are talking about iran and not afghanistan or Israel, but honestly lol I just keep seeing this and wanted to mention that.
I don't understand what your saying. Who said the middle east was America 2.0?
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Batty Koda said: In my view this is an attempt by the anglo-american empire to depose Iran's government.
What american empire? Please explain how you justify using this term to refer to america, specifically.
Further, what evidence do you have have of this remarkable claim? You've provided reasons why you assert some ill-defined empire would be motivated to do such things, but you do not provide any positive evidence that they are doing them. What makes you believe these thins?
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Re: Iran protests [Re: johnm214]
#13981422 - 02/17/11 09:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think hegemony would be a more apt descriptor of US power than empire.
Also he throws in 'anglo' as some lame attempt to insinuate racism...
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Isn't that your second false claim of someone making allegations of racism in a week?
Try not to hurt yourself making that stretch there... either of you.
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Re: Iran protests [Re: johnm214]
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Batty Koda said: In my view this is an attempt by the anglo-american empire to depose Iran's government.
What american empire? Please explain how you justify using this term to refer to america, specifically.
Further, what evidence do you have have of this remarkable claim? You've provided reasons why you assert some ill-defined empire would be motivated to do such things, but you do not provide any positive evidence that they are doing them. What makes you believe these thins?
I doubt I'll be able to convince anyone but I'll try. Carrol Quigley, an historian wrote a book called Tragedy and Hope: A History Of The World In Our Time in it he analyses the "Anglo-American Establishment" as he calls it. It's basically a group of international bankers, acedemics, heads of multinational corporations, intelligence agencies, Bureoucrats, high ranking military, media moguls and people who work for Non Governmental oranganisations funded by the banks. He was a member of this group for a time and gained access to the minutes of their meetings and other private information, his only disagreement with these people was that they wanted to keep their plans for the world a secret while he thought it was something that should be out in the open, hence writing his book. The book was supressed and the plates for the second half were destroyed by the publisher, which pissed him off because he wanted to make some money fom the book. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley
I call it the Anglo-American Empire because it's mostly made up of people form the City of London (Anglo) and people in Wall Street, Washington, the Pentagon (American). It's an Economic and Military Empire, the US doesn't have military bases all over the world for nothing. The IMF and World Bank are the economic element of the empire, they trap counties in debt slavery to the AAE and force them to do as they are told. The petrodallar is also an integral part of this.
The Evidence is in the official documents, ever read Project for a New American Century or Zbigniew Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard I'm using Wikipedia links because I know you'd dismiss anything else as "conspiracy sites".
I can post some good videos explaining things clearer then I can and in more detail if you'd like.
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ScavengerType said: Isn't that your second false claim of someone making allegations of racism in a week?
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Nope. Your projection of racism/bigotry and his are very real.
What group is this bigotry directed towards, is this the part where you call me an anti-semite?
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Non-Anglos of course.
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How can you trap someone into debt? Answer, you can't.
Of course this completely ignores the influence of China, India, Russia and others. Like I said, simplistic.
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zappaisgod said: simplistic.
aren't you the same person who thinks we're in the middle east because evil cavemen want to kill us?
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Re: Iran protests [Re: Grav]
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Why would you call them cavemen? Thats a loaded pejorative term. Just because some of them may have once hid in a cave does not mean they are 'cavemen'. They are just as intelligent as the rest of humanity, many are more educated than you or I probably are.
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Re: Iran protests [Re: Grav]
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aren't you the same person who thinks we're in the middle east because evil cavemen want to kill us?
Nope. Just out of curiosity, what is a caveman? Not who. What.
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zappaisgod said: How can you trap someone into debt? Answer, you can't.
Of course this completely ignores the influence of China, India, Russia and others. Like I said, simplistic.
You get their corrupt leaders like Pinochet in Chile who are put in power by coups orchestrated by western intelligence (back on topic) to take out lots of debt to buy arms off the Anglo-American military industrial complex, when they can't pay off this debt the IMF comes in to "rescue" them. the IMF imposes "conditionalities" on the loan which forces the country to privatise it's economy (IMF shock therapy). This destoys the economy making sure they can never pay off the debt, only the exorbitant interest rates imposed on them. If a leader tries to break free of this slavery something unpleasant happens to them or their family.
It doesn't ignore the influence of these other countries, in fact China and Russia are the main enemies of the AAE, the policies in the Middle East and Africa are designed to keep China and Russia out. There is something called the "Washington Consensus" that counties have to abide by to stay on the right side of the AAE but a new "Beijing Consensus" is emerging in these these developing countries, the AAE doesn't like this.
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zappaisgod said: simplistic.
aren't you the same person who thinks we're in the middle east because evil cavemen want to kill us?
Nope. Just out of curiosity, what is a caveman? Not who. What.
fanatical muslims or islamic extremists operating out of cave systems that are intent on destroying the west through terrorist acts.
or muslim nations that can't wait to get WMD capabilities so they can effectively commit suicide by attacking the west.
either concept is stupid and simplistic.
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Of course it is simplistic, you have constructed the strawman such that is simplistic and unrealistic.
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DieCommie said: Of course it is simplistic, you have constructed the strawman such that is simplistic and unrealistic.
to be brief i am simplifying it to summarize the main ideas. zionists have written pages and pages of documents on those two points but it essentially boils down to those ideas, that the muslim nations are a cesspool of unstable fanatics that the west must defeat before they drop a nuke on us.
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Re: Iran protests [Re: Grav]
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zappaisgod said: simplistic.
aren't you the same person who thinks we're in the middle east because evil cavemen want to kill us?
Nope. Just out of curiosity, what is a caveman? Not who. What.
fanatical muslims or islamic extremists operating out of cave systems that are intent on destroying the west through terrorist acts.
or muslim nations that can't wait to get WMD capabilities so they can effectively commit suicide by attacking the west.
either concept is stupid and simplistic.
Whether stupid or not they seem to have been embraced by certain humans. Have you met the Twelfth Imam yet?
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Nope. Your projection of racism/bigotry and his are very real.
What group is this bigotry directed towards, is this the part where you call me an anti-semite?
Nearly, diecommie has this thing lately with accusing people of labeling people racist, when that's not even remotely what they are talking about. I don't know what's up his craw, he's probibly just projecting cause he doesn't like black people or something.
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Lately? pfft... Ive been calling out that bullshit for years.
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If you don't see the irony here your blind.
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I do not. But I do suspect I see how you have twisted it in your mind.
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Re: Iran protests [Re: Grav]
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Now that you've seen the true side of the regime, all those who opposed the idea that they are not interested in sovereign rule, can attest to the constitution.
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