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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: jokefox]
    #13839909 - 01/23/11 11:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I remember playing with Hg as a kid in school...shit was heavy! I'd gladly use cfls and save electricity, which on my area is from dams that have decimated the salmon and steelhead populations, rather than use something that's gonna he replaced in 3 months rather than 3 years...plus you use less materials in that cfl than you would with a regular incandescent, not to mention power surges screw those up too.

In agriculture as well wheat is covered in mercury as a fungicide which washes off and into the water supply. If anything go after the tumor and the cancer cells are easier to eliminate.


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: fngbronco]
    #13840999 - 01/24/11 08:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, 15 years from now when I have to actually dispose of one, I'm sure I'll be careful with them, and by then incandescents will be completely banned anyway.


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #13961516 - 02/14/11 02:10 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Since most electricity comes from coal which releases mercury into the air as it burns, using incandescent light bulbs results in far more mercury being released into the environment over the life of the bulb than using CFL lamps does.
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i would need data to compare those things to make that sort of factual statement. was that some pro-CFL organizations official line? or you have the data?

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13961625 - 02/14/11 02:29 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Mercury is found in many rocks including coal. When coal is burned, mercury is released into the environment. Coal-burning power plants are the largest human-caused source of mercury emissions to the air in the United States, accounting for over 50 percent of all domestic human-caused mercury emissions (Source: 2005 National Emissions Inventory). EPA has estimated that about one quarter of U.S. emissions from coal-burning power plants are deposited within the contiguous U.S. and the remainder enters the global cycle. Burning hazardous wastes, producing chlorine, breaking mercury products, and spilling mercury, as well as the improper treatment and disposal of products or wastes containing mercury, can also release it into the environment. Current estimates are that less than half of all mercury deposition within the U.S. comes from U.S. sources.



That's taken from the EPA's website. (Link)



Net mercury emissions for CFL and incandescent lamps, based on EPA FAQ sheet, assuming average U.S. emission of 0.012 mg of mercury per kilowatt-hour and 14% of CFL mercury contents escapes to environment after land fill disposal.

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Boozie]
    #13961948 - 02/14/11 03:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Mercury is found in many rocks including coal. When coal is burned, mercury is released into the environment. Coal-burning power plants are the largest human-caused source of mercury emissions to the air in the United States, accounting for over 50 percent of all domestic human-caused mercury emissions (Source: 2005 National Emissions Inventory). EPA has estimated that about one quarter of U.S. emissions from coal-burning power plants are deposited within the contiguous U.S. and the remainder enters the global cycle. Burning hazardous wastes, producing chlorine, breaking mercury products, and spilling mercury, as well as the improper treatment and disposal of products or wastes containing mercury, can also release it into the environment. Current estimates are that less than half of all mercury deposition within the U.S. comes from U.S. sources.



That's taken from the EPA's website. (Link)



Net mercury emissions for CFL and incandescent lamps, based on EPA FAQ sheet, assuming average U.S. emission of 0.012 mg of mercury per kilowatt-hour and 14% of CFL mercury contents escapes to environment after land fill disposal.




thanks for this! seems to be okay except for potential inaccuracies

i added emphasis on something i found strange.

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13962459 - 02/14/11 05:21 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

What's the content in a cfl? How much would 14% truly equate to? If you need someone to blame for not being able to eat more than 2 catfish over 12" from a body of water, blame agricultural advancements. Seeds are coated in Hg as a fungicide and it washes off into ground water. Imagine a 1500 acre wheat field and all the seeds they spread that are covered.


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: fngbronco]
    #13962875 - 02/14/11 06:33 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

ok o i have never been rude or mean on this site ever since i joined... however to the OP:

Your worried about the amount of mercury content a few people on this site may introduce into the environment on said day that they actually dispose of there CFL's.... When in reality on any given day there is more pollution pumped into our atmosphere from everyday living then ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS WORLD. You wanna help the earth... GO OFF GRID OR STFU... MOST PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD LEAVE A LARGER CARBON FOOTPRINT, WHICH IS MORE OF A PROBLEM, THEN ALL OF US DISPOSING OF ALL OUR CFLS IN ONE SHOT AND RELEASING ALL SAID MERCURY INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. 

YOUR THREAD IS POINTLESS AND OBSCURED...IF YOUR GOING TO BE A TREE HUGGER AT LEAST BE GOOD AT IT.

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: CRfactOR]
    #13962933 - 02/14/11 06:44 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:

you should study carbon dioxide's influence on the environment more.

less pollution is less pollution, this is a valid discussion. shall i edit the original post once a conclusion can be drawn?


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13963007 - 02/14/11 06:54 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Your just one of those people....:facepalm::laugh2:


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13964872 - 02/14/11 10:55 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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shall i edit the original post once a conclusion can be drawn?




a conclusion hasn't been drawn yet????


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: k00laid]
    #13965156 - 02/14/11 11:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

i'm sorry that guy just trolled me


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #13965193 - 02/14/11 11:50 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

My CFL's have lasted over 2 years and are still kicking...


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: CRfactOR]
    #13965389 - 02/15/11 12:30 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Your just one of those people....:facepalm::laugh2:


You seem to be one of THOSE people. :andyistic:


A fucking idiot.


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
    #13965718 - 02/15/11 02:46 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Why hate on cfl's?

It seems the problem is people throwing them in the trash.

So would it not be better to champion that cause? and not saying that people shouldn't use cfl's?

This post should have started off positive and instructed users here to recycle and not trash things. That would have been much more productive than trying to argue that we shouldn't use cfls... thats kinda silly.

p.s. One very large contributer to polluted ground water are cars leaking all sorts of oils onto the concrete which in time drains through to the ground water system. Think about that one... (fix oil leaks or tell people not to buy cars!?)

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Masticore]
    #13965911 - 02/15/11 05:19 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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CRfactOR said:
Your just one of those people....:facepalm::laugh2:


You seem to be one of THOSE people. :andyistic:


A fucking idiot.




Awwwe thank you. Your so kind.

Perhaps I didn't explain myself so that all the intellectual's on this thread could understand.


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14013261 - 02/23/11 12:28 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

bump for an article now in the OP


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Boozie]
    #14013815 - 02/23/11 02:03 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Mercury is found in many rocks including coal. When coal is burned, mercury is released into the environment. Coal-burning power plants are the largest human-caused source of mercury emissions to the air in the United States, accounting for over 50 percent of all domestic human-caused mercury emissions (Source: 2005 National Emissions Inventory). EPA has estimated that about one quarter of U.S. emissions from coal-burning power plants are deposited within the contiguous U.S. and the remainder enters the global cycle. Burning hazardous wastes, producing chlorine, breaking mercury products, and spilling mercury, as well as the improper treatment and disposal of products or wastes containing mercury, can also release it into the environment. Current estimates are that less than half of all mercury deposition within the U.S. comes from U.S. sources.



That's taken from the EPA's website. (Link)



Net mercury emissions for CFL and incandescent lamps, based on EPA FAQ sheet, assuming average U.S. emission of 0.012 mg of mercury per kilowatt-hour and 14% of CFL mercury contents escapes to environment after land fill disposal.




bump for counter-information already posted.


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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: linkamathingy]
    #14013879 - 02/23/11 02:12 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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I disagree with RRs recommendation of CFL lights for a solution to lighting requirements in General Cultivation>Lighting.

CFLs(compact fluorescent lights) contain mercury, unlike incandescents, and need to be disposed of properly.

Knowing people's ignorance, most of these will be thrown straight out, putting more mercury in the environment,  instead of processed at electronic recycling centers or wherever you get rid of them.

I avoid CFLs completely, as having mercury in the house, hanging overhead or not, is something to be avoided in surety.

(it also bothers me that, in California at least, I've seen CFLs that are subsidized by PGE to get them in households, but there is mercury in the bulbs)

Anyone else avoid mercury entirely?

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: iluvfungi]
    #14013969 - 02/23/11 02:23 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: CFLs Shouldn't be used IMO [Re: Microppose]
    #14014101 - 02/23/11 02:41 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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:oldthread:



OP bumped to continue making his weak point.  :rolleyes:


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