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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #13960085 - 02/14/11 08:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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I know that some of the news is propaganda, but what you don't realize and can't argue against if you do, is that he is not a believer in self-determination, freedom of speech and does not accept secular cultures.

Either way this guy needs to be ousted and I hope that his people put a finger up his ass, so he can come out of the closet and start living his life, instead of worrying about Shariah Law.




that's your personal opinion piece. and all of that is up to the Iranian people to sort out on their own, not Israel and the U.S. who have been documented repeatedly spreading lies and committing terrorist acts in that region.

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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: EdgeChaos]
    #13960414 - 02/14/11 10:17 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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This sounds familiar... where did I....:strokebeard3:

Mark 13:8: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom

1st Thessalonians 5:3:
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Matthew 24:6:
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.


Luke 21:28: And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



Oh yeah! The Christian Bible.





What deos that have to do with Iran or nuclear technology?  What is your point here?





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I'm just driving the point that the "end times" is something Christians want just as badly as the Muslims. We should be looking at the "Christian agenda" along side with the "Muslim agenda" talk.




Thats a bullshit knee jerk reaction.  Christians dont want it badly, Muslims dont either.  Iran is ruled by a minority sect/cult.

In either case, its ridiculous to judge a group of people by their holy book.  I think you are just making a false equivalence here to satisfy your white guilt and maintain the P.C. status quo.

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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: Shins]
    #13960435 - 02/14/11 10:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I realize that many things cant really be proven a 100% certain yes or not, but its obvious by looking at the iranian constitution that we have a problem with self-determination, huge lack of democracy, and a serious merger between state and religion.

I mean how can a state that says it won't hold it against anyone for having different beliefs than islam, have an islamically based constitution?

Just take a look at this.


Chapter XII [Article 175]: Radio & Television


This article guarantees the freedom of expression and dissemination of thoughts in the "Radio and Television of the Islamic Republic of Iran" when keeping with the Islamic criteria and best interests of the country. It gives the Leader the power to appoint and dismiss the head of the "Radio and Television of the Islamic Republic of Iran" and establishes a council with two representatives (six in total) from each branch of the government to supervise this organization.[16]

Chapter III [Article 19 to 42]: Rights of People

Article 27 provides for freedom of assembly, "provided arms are not carried" and the assemblies "are not detrimental to the fundamental principles of Islam".

Article 3 (State Goals)

Fight all forms of vice and corruption. (By the standards of Islamic Texts) Including homosexuality, 'zionist' states(israel and USA).


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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #13960945 - 02/14/11 12:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

diecommie, did you read the OP?

I'll quote it for you.

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AlphaFalfa said:
Apparently, the president of iran believes in the twelfth imam,a holy prophet that is going to come and instill islamic law on all nations of the world.

However, in order for him to come, there must be great bloodshed and war.

Since iran has funded most terroroism in the last 30 years, hezbollah to name one, do you think iran is trying to antagonize the west with their nuclear program to create an attack and make for all out war - thereby bringing on the twelfth imam....

My answere is yes and 4 rounds of sanctions means that sanctions will not work, particularly if you take into account the fact that the leader has this as a primary objective - a war and bloodshed, the preconditions of the return of the twelfth imam.

War seems to be the only answer, i just hope the damn revolution takes place before it is nessecary for this to happen.

Here is a good video on the subject.

http://www.iraniumthemovie.com/





Christians believe the exact same thing. Their "end times" comes during a time when the world is at unrest with "wars and rumors of wars". This is, of course, how it has been since history was first recorded, and obviously bullshit.

It is just as likely that fundamentalist Christians are hoping to bring on the end times with war as the Iranian president is.


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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: EdgeChaos]
    #13960951 - 02/14/11 12:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You are just making shit up.  Christians do not believe the exact same things.

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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: DieCommie]
    #13960970 - 02/14/11 12:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Let me suggest that you read the bible before making those kinds of statements. It's been a long time for me, but I remember quite a bit and don't think you understand what you are talking about.

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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: EdgeChaos]
    #13961044 - 02/14/11 12:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What a holy book says is irrelevant.  Im not a christian, I dont care what the bible says.  I only care about what christians actually do and think.  Same goes for muslims.  I dont care at all what their holy book says.  I only care about how they think and ultimately what they do.

Its a fallacy to judge a religion/culture based off of their holy book.  Its their actions that are important, not some ancient writings.

No christian I know, and I have meet quite a few different kinds... None of them think that the end of times can be brought about by humans starting a war.  Rather they think that the devil/god will be the one starting the war.

I think it is bigotry to take a thread that isnt about christianity at all and drag christians into it for the use of compaing them to muslims in an attempt to show that christianity is equal to or worse than islam.

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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: Grav]
    #13961216 - 02/14/11 01:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
I know that some of the news is propaganda, but what you don't realize and can't argue against if you do, is that he is not a believer in self-determination, freedom of speech and does not accept secular cultures.

Either way this guy needs to be ousted and I hope that his people put a finger up his ass, so he can come out of the closet and start living his life, instead of worrying about Shariah Law.




that's your personal opinion piece. and all of that is up to the Iranian people to sort out on their own, not Israel and the U.S. who have been documented repeatedly spreading lies and committing terrorist acts in that region.




Apparently according to the Iranian constitution its not up to its people because ousting the current regime is going against the laws of islam, which is expressly stated as evil and contrary to the goals of the country. The protests have been a clear example of that, so has the censorship of the media.

In this case, it would be foolish to believe that it is up to the Iranian people and we do agree on one thing, that the government has to change.

However, judging by the iranian constitution and the current regimes actions and attitudes towards protests and mass forms of communication, a large enough revolution won't ever take place by their own hands.

Show me how it could, when a government has the power to shut down the internet, radio, TV and use serious threats to peoples lives to oust protests?

I am sorry, but this world isn't perfect and in this sense, this one problem is the greater of two evils.

I woudldn't be to opposed to going in and stoping their nuclear program, just under the suspicion that they might hand off a dirty bomb to a terrorist cell and/or utilize it to start the bloodshed.


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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: DieCommie]
    #13961230 - 02/14/11 01:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

"No christian I know, and I have meet quite a few different kinds... None of them think that the end of times can be brought about by humans starting a war.  Rather they think that the devil/god will be the one starting the war."

--This is true for most of the people I meet that claim Christianity. Of course, those people would be wrong about the events of the end times and probably have never spent time reading their "favorite book".
  The problem is that we are talking about fundamentalist Muslims and Christians. These are people that take the "word of god" as the actual word of god. meaning that they believe that EVERY word in the book is truth. these fundamentalists would not even consider the first Christians to be Christians at all. It's the same with Islamic fundamentalists.

"I think it is bigotry to take a thread that isnt about christianity at all and drag christians into it for the use of compaing them to muslims in an attempt to show that christianity is equal to or worse than islam."

--I think it's bigotry not to include Christians in any debate that has to do with Islam. I was taken back by the outrageous similarities in what the OP said and the experiences I have had in the Christan church. I simply wanted to express my amusement that they were so similar.

I'm not even trying to incite heated debate but, I guess I should have seen it coming. :crazy2:

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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: DieCommie]
    #13961238 - 02/14/11 01:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

there are crazy christians and crazy muslims, and crazy people in all other religions. who cares.

the point is that there is a documented campaign of disinformation being conducted by U.S. and Israel intelligence to portray Iran(Iraq #2) as a terrorist nation that wants to nuke the world, and that their people desperately want the west to bring them "democracy and free elections". It's bullshit propaganda campaign decades in the making that is completely supported by mainstream media.

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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: Grav]
    #13961315 - 02/14/11 01:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Grav said:
there are crazy christians and crazy muslims, and crazy people in all other religions. who cares.

the point is that there is a documented campaign of disinformation being conducted by U.S. and Israel intelligence to portray Iran(Iraq #2) as a terrorist nation that wants to nuke the world, and that their people desperately want the west to bring them "democracy and free elections". It's bullshit propaganda campaign decades in the making that is completely supported by mainstream media.



It isn't disinformation to assert that Iran is a terrorist nation.  They most certainly are.  And though I doubt their people want the West to do it they certainly seem to have gotten a hankering for freedom.  Good luck to them.

Sprinkling particles of bullshit and strawmen in your posts does not negate reality.  It just makes you look like a dishonest fool.


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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: Grav]
    #13961622 - 02/14/11 02:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The christian end times require the temple of solomon to be rebuilt first.

this would require the destruction of the dome of the rock.


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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13961863 - 02/14/11 03:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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It isn't disinformation to assert that Iran is a terrorist nation.




It is disinformation because it's not true.

I don't doubt Iran has it's fair share of corruption and nasty people,  but, that they're a source or sponsor of terrorism like the media is portraying is fabricated bullshit, as is muslim terrorism and antagonism against the west in general which is CIA/Mossad funded and orchestrated (the clear benefactors).  It's the same lies that they've been caught for again and again, only the lie keeps getting told because of complicit media.

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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: Grav]
    #13962146 - 02/14/11 04:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Grav said:
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zappaisgod said:
It isn't disinformation to assert that Iran is a terrorist nation.




It is disinformation because it's not true.

I don't doubt Iran has it's fair share of corruption and nasty people,  but, that they're a source or sponsor of terrorism like the media is portraying is fabricated bullshit, as is muslim terrorism and antagonism against the west in general which is CIA/Mossad funded and orchestrated (the clear benefactors).  It's the same lies that they've been caught for again and again, only the lie keeps getting told because of complicit media.



That is some world class denial right there.  Even the current idiots recognize Iran as terrorist and it takes real special stupid to deny Muslim terrorism in general.  Extreme short bus stupid.


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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13963432 - 02/14/11 07:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

yes, idiots readily view Iran as terrorist, based on testimonies of professional liars.  I bet you think those nasty terrorists in Iran take babies out of incubators and throw them on floors.

and i suppose you still believe some arabs with box-cutters did 9/11.  if you can't see through that mother of all lies, than i don't expect you to understand anything else.

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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: Grav]
    #13964049 - 02/14/11 09:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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yes, idiots readily view Iran as terrorist, based on testimonies of professional liars.  I bet you think those nasty terrorists in Iran take babies out of incubators and throw them on floors.

and i suppose you still believe some arabs with box-cutters did 9/11.  if you can't see through that mother of all lies, than i don't expect you to understand anything else.





Bro, did you not see their constitution?

How is that not repressive and unassertive of the rights and freedoms you enjoy.

Have you even read the constitution?


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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #13964357 - 02/14/11 09:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

But they don't really mean to be bad guys.  God makes them do it. Just like here.


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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: Grav]
    #13965826 - 02/15/11 03:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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untrue.

might want to take off those FOX glasses.  U.S. and Israel have been initiating acts of terrorism and framing Iran/Iraq, etc. and spinning lies about muslim antagonism/terrorism against the west for over 50 years.  they are hellbent on taking Iran out and will spread whatever BS they need to get support for it.


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1976 Israeli Shin Bet stages a false flag hijacking to blame on the PLO.
Israeli agents 'helped Entebbe hijackers' (This story broke June 2007)
Sayeret Matkal was sent to rescue the hostages however the blames should have been placed on The PFLP and Israel itself not the PLO. This event will forever be pointed at as to accuse the PLO of being terrorist to politically make them illegitimate.

1981 Israel Bombs Iraq's Osirak Nuclear Research Facility. "Begin claimed the reactor was about to go into operation and was a threat to Israel because it could produce nuclear weapons. Begin's claims were contradicted by a number of experts..."

CIA financed Osama Bin Laden to fight the Soviets. 1979-1988 May 15th

1982 June 6 Israel invaded Lebanon with US support. This was based on terrorist attacks from Lebanon (yeh well now I say maybe) Israel targets civilians and and is so brutal that they receive world wide criticism aside from the US of course. Hezbollah is established as a response to the invasion. Israel occupies Southern Lebanon.

1986 Israeli Mossad plants radio transmitter in Lybia broadcasting false reports tricking Reagan into bombing Lybia. The MSM was completely behind it and never explained it.

1980-1988 Iraq and Iran have a war where the US sells weapons to both sides.

Iraq gets chemical weapons (from Rumsfeld) from the US and uses them on Iran and on the Kurds.

rewind 1986 the heart of Iran contra affair (Iran needs these arms because of the war with Iraq whose leader is Saddam installed by the CIA and who has gotten chemical weapons from the US. The US through Israel also arms Iran. Kissinger quoted as saying nothing is better than to get them to kill each other.

1979-1986 ~ Iran Contra. The US and Israel work jointly in a covert operations of illegal arms and drug sales and financing contras to kill in Nicaragua.

2001-2007 Israel makes false stories about Iran. ADL makes up yellow stars story. Bush uses Nuclear weapons scare tactics. WMD myths are traceable to Feith's office. Wolfowitz even admits it in Vanity Fair. Israel sends anthrax to US targets and blames it frist on Al Qaeda then Iraq and then onto Patsies.

Nov 2008 Israel breaks cease fire with Hamas invading killing six Hamas officials. US media ignores this aside from one CNN report, and blames Hamas. The rest of the world correctly explained that Israel started the war and broke the cease fire. Israel begins a war with the Gaza strip Dec 27- Jan 18. In the war Israel killed thousands mostly civilians and mostly children. Israel used DU, cluster bombs, and MK77 (white phosphorus) all of which are illegal all of which were also used on Lebanon.

2010 May 31 Israel attacks and murders people on humanitarian aid ships which were trying to break the blockade on Gaza. (info here)
You see in Israel's twisted world, bringing food to starving people is "terrorism" and yet murdering people trapped on a boat, kidnapping the rest of them confiscating their cameras and holding them in jail forcing them to sign papers saying that can't sue and beating the crap out of several more after they've been handcuffed, is "defense." They say it with a straight face after being caught faking both audio and photos of the event and even falsely trying to link them to Al Qaeda. (Reminds me of this) After all that they try to act like they did nothing wrong and had no guilt or worry about what they were doing. Of course Israel has been caught before faking Al Qaeda attacks.

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=5196









What does this copy paste job have to do with anything?  I fail to see the relevance and you've not even alleged any particular relevance unless we construe this in some way to be your examples of Israli and US terrorism, which is patently bizzare given the nature of these events (seriously, you've not even made an argument for how these are terrorist acts).


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It isn't disinformation to assert that Iran is a terrorist nation.




It is disinformation because it's not true.

I don't doubt Iran has it's fair share of corruption and nasty people,  but, that they're a source or sponsor of terrorism like the media is portraying is fabricated bullshit,




What does "the media" and how they portray Iran have to do with anything?  This is the second time you've done this, in your prior post claiming people need to remove their "FOX glasses" as if they are obviously fools who rely on biased media coming from a single company.  This ridiculous and unjustified poisoning the well strategy is irrelevant and quite arrogant- the only possible relevance could be that you presume yourself of special insight while able to conclude others' must be ignorant propaganda-inundated fools, by sole virtue of the fact that they disagree with you.

Iran isn't a terrorist nation?  It is disinformation to say so because it isn't true?

Please back up this claim you've made.  Further, you can dispense with the US, Israel nonsense until you can show what the hell that has to do with whether Iran commits terrorist acts and is a terrorist nation. 

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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: johnm214]
    #13965946 - 02/15/11 05:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Iran isn't a terrorist nation?

Please back up this claim you've made.




You don't prove a negative, if you claim they are, it's up to you to prove it.

The issue of western media bias (as well as yours) is a valid and relevant issue.

does this sound like terrorism?



The Zionist attendees walked out.

The real issue is that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is against the racial supremacist state of Israel, and spits truth about western hypocrisy and deception.

so - he and Iran are portrayed as terrorist by the zionist media with the intent of an emotional, not logical, response from the people.


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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: Shins]
    #13965981 - 02/15/11 06:20 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Iran isn't a terrorist nation?

Please back up this claim you've made.




You don't prove a negative, if you claim they are, it's up to you to prove it.




No kidding, right?
That's how fucking brainwashed we are.  The lies about terrorism are so sacrosanct.  I may as well have just said the sky isn't blue.

Apparently we have to prove a cabal of liars in western intelligence that fabricated this shit so much in the past, isn't lying again THIS time.

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