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iran and Nuclear Technology
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Apparently, the president of iran believes in the twelfth imam,a holy prophet that is going to come and instill islamic law on all nations of the world.
However, in order for him to come, there must be great bloodshed and war.
Since iran has funded most terroroism in the last 30 years, hezbollah to name one, do you think iran is trying to antagonize the west with their nuclear program to create an attack and make for all out war - thereby bringing on the twelfth imam....
My answere is yes and 4 rounds of sanctions means that sanctions will not work, particularly if you take into account the fact that the leader has this as a primary objective - a war and bloodshed, the preconditions of the return of the twelfth imam.
War seems to be the only answer, i just hope the damn revolution takes place before it is nessecary for this to happen.
Here is a good video on the subject.
http://www.iraniumthemovie.com/
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13958347 - 02/13/11 09:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Since iran has funded most terrorism in the last 30 years, hezbollah to name one, do you think iran is trying to antagonize the west with their nuclear program
That's excatly what they are doing. They want nuclear weapons to say "F You" to Israel and the West. I would have no objection to nuclear energy, but only the naive would say they want nuclear energy only for domestic purposes.
Iran using nuclear weapons is a whole other matter. I doubt they are chopping at the bit to use them if they never got functional nukes. In my opinion it would lead to a deadly stand off, and I doubt any American president would go for a preemptive attack against Iran because they would be giving Iran excatly what they wanted and give them justification to attack. I don't remember the Wikileak document name but one stated that Iran having nukes made their Arab neighbors just as uneasy as some America and her allies.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13958348 - 02/13/11 09:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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This sounds familiar... where did I....
Mark 13:8: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom
1st Thessalonians 5:3: For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Matthew 24:6: You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
Luke 21:28: And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Oh yeah! The Christian Bible.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: EdgeChaos]
#13958399 - 02/13/11 10:04 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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EdgeChaos said: This sounds familiar... where did I....
Mark 13:8: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom This has already happen. WW1 WW2...the messiah never came...don't worry man, hell doesn't exist!! Life is actually pretty sweet thereafter.
1st Thessalonians 5:3: For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Already has happened, WW1 and WW2. After WW1, people said peace and saftey then World war 2(WW2) happened...and nop...no messiah....
Matthew 24:6: You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
Wars have happened already plenty of times in the last 2000 years......
Luke 21:28: And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Wars came and gone, horrible wars and redemption never came.....
Oh yeah! The Christian Bible.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: despisedicon]
#13958413 - 02/13/11 10:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:
Since iran has funded most terrorism in the last 30 years, hezbollah to name one, do you think iran is trying to antagonize the west with their nuclear program
That's excatly what they are doing. They want nuclear weapons to say "F You" to Israel and the West. I would have no objection to nuclear energy, but only the naive would say they want nuclear energy only for domestic purposes.
Iran using nuclear weapons is a whole other matter. I doubt they are chopping at the bit to use them if they never got functional nukes. In my opinion it would lead to a deadly stand off, and I doubt any American president would go for a preemptive attack against Iran because they would be giving Iran excatly what they wanted and give them justification to attack. I don't remember the Wikileak document name but one stated that Iran having nukes made their Arab neighbors just as uneasy as some America and her allies.
The fear is that they will hand off a dirty bomb to one of their terrorist cells....not so much whether they will use it.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: EdgeChaos]
#13958415 - 02/13/11 10:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Forgive me for stating the obvious but Christianity has calmed down quite considerably over the past as opposed to Islam which is due for a reformation.
To imply that today's sects of Islam and today's sects of Christianity both exhibit the same level of violence is absurd. If you call for the death of cartoonists for example who lampoon your religion and rarely any individuals in this religion come forward to point out how stupid it is to do so because of fear this religion is lacking an enlightenment.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13958466 - 02/13/11 10:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right, I agree. No doubt Iran uses other means for proxy war against Israel and the Gazans get caught in the middle and face the consequences of Israeli retaliation. I wonder how much of these possible outcomes are just hype and paranoia. But then again I don't fully understand Islamic martyrdom.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13958528 - 02/13/11 10:25 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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the way I calculate it is thus:
Actually obtaining nukes is not all that important to Iran, rather they don't want to be told they can or can not have them by other nations, and more importantly, want everyone to get so heated up by the issue that Israel preemptively strikes them. This would give them the "high ground" so to speak for declare conventional war in return.
Their president may be obsessed with escatology, but I doubt that a large % of their military leaders are too concerned with the end of the world.
Futher, I don't really think their possession of nukes is something to worry about because they don't have enough for mutually ensured destruction, and without that threat the world would undoubtedly drop the hammer on a rogue nation that used a nuke.
My last comment would be that I don't even worry about them giving material to a terror cell, because surely after iraq and afganhistan the know that we'd probably just blame them anyway and again, drop the hammer.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: despisedicon]
#13958543 - 02/13/11 10:27 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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of course you don't, a person really has to be born into that sort of culture to truly understand it.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#13958714 - 02/13/11 10:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: Since iran has funded most terroroism in the last 30 years, hezbollah to name one, do you think iran is trying to antagonize the west with their nuclear program to create an attack and make for all out war
untrue.
might want to take off those FOX glasses. U.S. and Israel have been initiating acts of terrorism and framing Iran/Iraq, etc. and spinning lies about muslim antagonism/terrorism against the west for over 50 years. they are hellbent on taking Iran out and will spread whatever BS they need to get support for it.
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1976 Israeli Shin Bet stages a false flag hijacking to blame on the PLO. Israeli agents 'helped Entebbe hijackers' (This story broke June 2007) Sayeret Matkal was sent to rescue the hostages however the blames should have been placed on The PFLP and Israel itself not the PLO. This event will forever be pointed at as to accuse the PLO of being terrorist to politically make them illegitimate.
1981 Israel Bombs Iraq's Osirak Nuclear Research Facility. "Begin claimed the reactor was about to go into operation and was a threat to Israel because it could produce nuclear weapons. Begin's claims were contradicted by a number of experts..."
CIA financed Osama Bin Laden to fight the Soviets. 1979-1988 May 15th
1982 June 6 Israel invaded Lebanon with US support. This was based on terrorist attacks from Lebanon (yeh well now I say maybe) Israel targets civilians and and is so brutal that they receive world wide criticism aside from the US of course. Hezbollah is established as a response to the invasion. Israel occupies Southern Lebanon.
1986 Israeli Mossad plants radio transmitter in Lybia broadcasting false reports tricking Reagan into bombing Lybia. The MSM was completely behind it and never explained it.
1980-1988 Iraq and Iran have a war where the US sells weapons to both sides.
Iraq gets chemical weapons (from Rumsfeld) from the US and uses them on Iran and on the Kurds.
rewind 1986 the heart of Iran contra affair (Iran needs these arms because of the war with Iraq whose leader is Saddam installed by the CIA and who has gotten chemical weapons from the US. The US through Israel also arms Iran. Kissinger quoted as saying nothing is better than to get them to kill each other.
1979-1986 ~ Iran Contra. The US and Israel work jointly in a covert operations of illegal arms and drug sales and financing contras to kill in Nicaragua.
2001-2007 Israel makes false stories about Iran. ADL makes up yellow stars story. Bush uses Nuclear weapons scare tactics. WMD myths are traceable to Feith's office. Wolfowitz even admits it in Vanity Fair. Israel sends anthrax to US targets and blames it frist on Al Qaeda then Iraq and then onto Patsies.
Nov 2008 Israel breaks cease fire with Hamas invading killing six Hamas officials. US media ignores this aside from one CNN report, and blames Hamas. The rest of the world correctly explained that Israel started the war and broke the cease fire. Israel begins a war with the Gaza strip Dec 27- Jan 18. In the war Israel killed thousands mostly civilians and mostly children. Israel used DU, cluster bombs, and MK77 (white phosphorus) all of which are illegal all of which were also used on Lebanon.
2010 May 31 Israel attacks and murders people on humanitarian aid ships which were trying to break the blockade on Gaza. (info here) You see in Israel's twisted world, bringing food to starving people is "terrorism" and yet murdering people trapped on a boat, kidnapping the rest of them confiscating their cameras and holding them in jail forcing them to sign papers saying that can't sue and beating the crap out of several more after they've been handcuffed, is "defense." They say it with a straight face after being caught faking both audio and photos of the event and even falsely trying to link them to Al Qaeda. (Reminds me of this) After all that they try to act like they did nothing wrong and had no guilt or worry about what they were doing. Of course Israel has been caught before faking Al Qaeda attacks.
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=5196
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: despisedicon]
#13959048 - 02/14/11 12:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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despisedicon said: Forgive me for stating the obvious but Christianity has calmed down quite considerably over the past as opposed to Islam which is due for a reformation.
To imply that today's sects of Islam and today's sects of Christianity both exhibit the same level of violence is absurd. If you call for the death of cartoonists for example who lampoon your religion and rarely any individuals in this religion come forward to point out how stupid it is to do so because of fear this religion is lacking an enlightenment.
I was not implying anything about "level of violence". I was simply pointing out similarity in the old texts.
But, since you brought it up, there are Christian terrorists.
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Larrythescaryrex said: the way I calculate it is thus:
Actually obtaining nukes is not all that important to Iran, rather they don't want to be told they can or can not have them by other nations, and more importantly, want everyone to get so heated up by the issue that Israel preemptively strikes them. This would give them the "high ground" so to speak for declare conventional war in return.
Their president may be obsessed with escatology, but I doubt that a large % of their military leaders are too concerned with the end of the world.
Futher, I don't really think their possession of nukes is something to worry about because they don't have enough for mutually ensured destruction, and without that threat the world would undoubtedly drop the hammer on a rogue nation that used a nuke.
My last comment would be that I don't even worry about them giving material to a terror cell, because surely after iraq and afganhistan the know that we'd probably just blame them anyway and again, drop the hammer.
I agree with what you said, but the problem is that their leaders WANT war but what they dont want is a reserve military that wont fight the war and millions of protestors opposing their government for starting a war with Israel and USA.
They need patriotism, so they must have an attack occur to their people for something that is not justified. Ie. a peaceful nuclear program and suspicion that they have provided a dirty bomb to a terrorist cell, etc. In Iran the majority of people are moderate islamist, however, if their government attempts to begin a war, they will blame their own government and make a revolution. THEY NEED ISRAEL TO PRE-EMPTIVELY STRIKE, OTHERWISE THEY WONT HAVE THE MANPOWER AND THE CIVILIAN ARMY TO FIGHT THEIR BLOODY WAR AND THE COMING OF THE 12TH IMAM WONT MANIFEST.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: Grav]
#13959133 - 02/14/11 12:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: Since iran has funded most terroroism in the last 30 years, hezbollah to name one, do you think iran is trying to antagonize the west with their nuclear program to create an attack and make for all out war
untrue.
might want to take off those FOX glasses. U.S. and Israel have been initiating acts of terrorism and framing Iran/Iraq, etc. and spinning lies about muslim antagonism/terrorism against the west for over 50 years. they are hellbent on taking Iran out and will spread whatever BS they need to get support for it.
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1976 Israeli Shin Bet stages a false flag hijacking to blame on the PLO. Israeli agents 'helped Entebbe hijackers' (This story broke June 2007) Sayeret Matkal was sent to rescue the hostages however the blames should have been placed on The PFLP and Israel itself not the PLO. This event will forever be pointed at as to accuse the PLO of being terrorist to politically make them illegitimate.
1981 Israel Bombs Iraq's Osirak Nuclear Research Facility. "Begin claimed the reactor was about to go into operation and was a threat to Israel because it could produce nuclear weapons. Begin's claims were contradicted by a number of experts..."
CIA financed Osama Bin Laden to fight the Soviets. 1979-1988 May 15th
1982 June 6 Israel invaded Lebanon with US support. This was based on terrorist attacks from Lebanon (yeh well now I say maybe) Israel targets civilians and and is so brutal that they receive world wide criticism aside from the US of course. Hezbollah is established as a response to the invasion. Israel occupies Southern Lebanon.
1986 Israeli Mossad plants radio transmitter in Lybia broadcasting false reports tricking Reagan into bombing Lybia. The MSM was completely behind it and never explained it.
1980-1988 Iraq and Iran have a war where the US sells weapons to both sides.
Iraq gets chemical weapons (from Rumsfeld) from the US and uses them on Iran and on the Kurds.
rewind 1986 the heart of Iran contra affair (Iran needs these arms because of the war with Iraq whose leader is Saddam installed by the CIA and who has gotten chemical weapons from the US. The US through Israel also arms Iran. Kissinger quoted as saying nothing is better than to get them to kill each other.
1979-1986 ~ Iran Contra. The US and Israel work jointly in a covert operations of illegal arms and drug sales and financing contras to kill in Nicaragua.
2001-2007 Israel makes false stories about Iran. ADL makes up yellow stars story. Bush uses Nuclear weapons scare tactics. WMD myths are traceable to Feith's office. Wolfowitz even admits it in Vanity Fair. Israel sends anthrax to US targets and blames it frist on Al Qaeda then Iraq and then onto Patsies.
Nov 2008 Israel breaks cease fire with Hamas invading killing six Hamas officials. US media ignores this aside from one CNN report, and blames Hamas. The rest of the world correctly explained that Israel started the war and broke the cease fire. Israel begins a war with the Gaza strip Dec 27- Jan 18. In the war Israel killed thousands mostly civilians and mostly children. Israel used DU, cluster bombs, and MK77 (white phosphorus) all of which are illegal all of which were also used on Lebanon.
2010 May 31 Israel attacks and murders people on humanitarian aid ships which were trying to break the blockade on Gaza. (info here) You see in Israel's twisted world, bringing food to starving people is "terrorism" and yet murdering people trapped on a boat, kidnapping the rest of them confiscating their cameras and holding them in jail forcing them to sign papers saying that can't sue and beating the crap out of several more after they've been handcuffed, is "defense." They say it with a straight face after being caught faking both audio and photos of the event and even falsely trying to link them to Al Qaeda. (Reminds me of this) After all that they try to act like they did nothing wrong and had no guilt or worry about what they were doing. Of course Israel has been caught before faking Al Qaeda attacks.
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=5196
Reagardless of whether or not it is true, ahmjenidad utters threats, even though they may not even be military threats.
"wipe israel off the map"
For example, this one. Regardless if he means use a nuke on israel or not, he obviously is not a proponent of self-determination and sovereign rule.
I know that some of the news is propaganda, but what you don't realize and can't argue against if you do, is that he is not a believer in self-determination, freedom of speech and does not accept secular cultures.
Either way this guy needs to be ousted and I hope that his people put a finger up his ass, so he can come out of the closet and start living his life, instead of worrying about Shariah Law.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I agree. about the preemptive strike, not the coming of the imam.
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Larrythescaryrex said: I agree. about the preemptive strike, not the coming of the imam.
Show me where it says that ahmajeni-dude, isn't awaiting the coming of the twelfth imam?
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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no, he is; I am not.
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"wipe israel off the map" is a mistranslation.
What he really said is basically; "the Zionist regime in Israel should end"
regardless, we should also acknowledge that there is a lot of pro-war religious zealotry on the extreme right of the Israeli side.
Lets also acknowledge that Iran is in compliance with UN inspections and no evidence of weaponization has yet been found.
Lets acknowledge also that Israel has hundreds of nukes, and refuses to be a part of the NPT or allow any inspections or be a part of any UN regulation.
lets also acknowledge that Israel has threatened to nuke Iran, but Iran had never threatened Israel.
The western mainstream media is generally pro-zionist so it's not surprising Iran is vilified.
So, who is the bigger nuclear threat?
Frontline Israel's Next War part 1
part 2
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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EdgeChaos said: This sounds familiar... where did I....
Mark 13:8: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom This has already happen. WW1 WW2...the messiah never came...don't worry man, hell doesn't exist!! Life is actually pretty sweet thereafter.
1st Thessalonians 5:3: For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Already has happened, WW1 and WW2. After WW1, people said peace and saftey then World war 2(WW2) happened...and nop...no messiah....
Matthew 24:6: You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
Wars have happened already plenty of times in the last 2000 years......
Luke 21:28: And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Wars came and gone, horrible wars and redemption never came.....
Oh yeah! The Christian Bible.
Just realized you embedded your commentary into my quote, and I'm right there with you.
I'm just driving the point that the "end times" is something Christians want just as badly as the Muslims. We should be looking at the "Christian agenda" along side with the "Muslim agenda" talk.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: Lets acknowledge also that Israel has hundreds of nukes, and refuses to be a part of the NPT or allow any inspections or be a part of any UN regulation.
Yeah thats fucked up.
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Re: iran and Nuclear Technology [Re: EdgeChaos]
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Jewish messianic beliefs basically say that the jewish messiah will come and instill jewish law on the world too so...

lets just acknowledge that too before we all go bomb Iran.
The belief about the twelfth imam also is that he will emerge when the world is in great chaos, muslims inciting that chaos is not required.
There have been are islamic factions (Hojjatieh) that think creating chaos will hasten the return of the 12th imam however.
This exclisively extremist shiite belief as far as i know cannot be proven to be one of Ahmadinejad's
I'd be very interested in seeing evidence of it though if there is any.
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