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Invisiblechodamunky
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Where will the staged terror attack happen?
    #1395689 - 03/20/03 02:29 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

taken from www.whatreallyhappened.com

Bush has a small problem. Now that he has gone ahead and invaded Iraq, the conventional wisdom bolstered by months of propaganda is that Iraqi agents will unleash terror attacks in the US using weapons of mass destruction. Bush even said this in his speech before the war began.

But if there are no such attacks, then the world will know that Saddam did not have those WMDs and was never a threat to the US.

So, Bush NEEDS a "terror" attack to "prove" the US claims used to justify the war. He has to have one. He cannot politically survive without one.

The only question is, where will it be staged?

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395706 - 03/20/03 02:37 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

Sounds logical. I just figured they'd fly some big weapons over there or something.



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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395708 - 03/20/03 02:37 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

That is unsuported BS. Plus do you think our economy can really take it? Don't you think an economic disaster would ruin Bush's chances of re-election?


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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1395713 - 03/20/03 02:38 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

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Sounds logical.




Really. Howso?


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1395724 - 03/20/03 02:45 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

Jesus Christ are you guys paranoid. LOL

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Invisiblechodamunky
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1395729 - 03/20/03 02:47 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

That is unsuported BS
Bush's whole pre-war speech was unsupported BS too, and I can support that.

Plus do you think our economy can really take it?
Probably not, but that's the whole point. The economy needs to be crushed in order for the reserves to be drained. Only then will we be forced to accept the Electronic Fund System.

Don't you think an economic disaster would ruin Bush's chances of re-election?
Quite the opposite, Bush's ratings after 9/11 sky rocketed.

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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395732 - 03/20/03 02:49 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

Do you really believe that crap on that webpage?


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Invisiblechodamunky
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1395744 - 03/20/03 02:52 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

do you always dismiss information before reading it?

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Anonymous

Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395752 - 03/20/03 02:55 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

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do you always dismiss information before reading it?




I know you're not talking to me, but when its people like you talking I dismiss it all the time because its all as phoney as aliens, ghosts, and bigfoot. No offense.




Edited by TackleBerry (03/20/03 03:03 PM)

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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395759 - 03/20/03 02:57 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

I read a good bit of it a few months ago. They make some very weak arguments and their site is damn near impossible to navigate.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Invisiblechodamunky
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1395788 - 03/20/03 03:14 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

There is a NEW conspiracy I just discovered, TackleBerry is really a sheep! Baaaa! Baaa!



And over here we have z@z.com eating from the hand of a CNN reporter! This is shocking!

Edited by chodamunky (03/20/03 03:23 PM)

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Anonymous

Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395799 - 03/20/03 03:16 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

Ha I have to admit I laughed at that. lol

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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395805 - 03/20/03 03:19 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

Very Funny.  :grin:


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395808 - 03/20/03 03:19 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

a terror attack right now will make iraq look like a huge mistake. do you stop and think about the shit you read?

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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395809 - 03/20/03 03:19 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

Although I believe people of power in the USA could endorse such a thing as a faked terrorist attack on their own people in order to facilitate a 'new American century' or something...I don't believe the American people are in need of such re-education...support for this war is already high enough.

Another nice post chodamunky. Keep 'em coming


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1395828 - 03/20/03 03:28 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

Another nice post chodamunky. Keep 'em coming

or not.

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: ]
    #1395861 - 03/20/03 03:40 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

What's the point of a shroom based website if you can't read far out stuff written by (by my illusions) far out dudes?

If you want straight ahead, non-alternative stuff, I'm sure CNN has a discussion forum for you.

Did I get you wrong?



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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1395870 - 03/20/03 03:43 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

I think most of us conservatives/Bush supportors just enjoy a good argument.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1395873 - 03/20/03 03:45 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

What's the point of a shroom based website if you can't read far out stuff written by (by my illusions) far out dudes?

good point.. but what's the point of reading it if i can't lash out at it when i think it's ridiculous???  :wink:

i'd love to read interesting, compelling 'far out stuff'. alot of this crap is just illogical and uninformed. i don't have a problem with 'far-out' ideas... just stupid ones.

Edited by mushmaster (03/20/03 03:57 PM)

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395887 - 03/20/03 03:51 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

It wouldn't surprise me if we are no longer on "high" alert after the war. If attacks do not occur, Bush could use that as a sign of our "victory" rather than evidence that Saddam didn't have the WMD in the first place...


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Invisiblechodamunky
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: ]
    #1395907 - 03/20/03 03:57 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

a terror attack right now will make iraq look like a huge mistake.
No it won't it will prove Bush right that Iraq is a terrorirst state.

do you stop and think about the shit you read?
Always, and if it's good dookie I am glad to pass it along and hear other's opinions on it. BTW, you never did respond to my reply about your enthusiasm towards Patriot Act 2...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum14&Number=1387217&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395915 - 03/20/03 04:00 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

I could be wrong, but I think he was joking.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395934 - 03/20/03 04:06 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

No it won't it will prove Bush right that Iraq is a terrorirst state.

the official explanation for going to war with iraq is not, "they have weapons which they are planning on using against us in terrorist attacks". even if it was... we're talking about AFTER the war here. AFTER the END of the current regime.

for me, one of the biggest reasons i think this war is a bad idea is because it directs our focus away from reducing the threat of terrorism. on the contrary, this sort of military action will certainly cause the US to become the target of more attacks in the future. this is probably the biggest threat we face as a consequence of our current meddling in iraq. if it becomes a reality... it will confirm that attacking iraq like this was a mistake. They certainly don't want that.

your conspiracy threory is illogical. how would us getting attacked by terrorists AFTER the fall of the iraqi regime show that the late iraqi regime was going to attack us?

it'd be like if i said there was a guy down the street who was gonna come shoot me... so i went and killed him. then the next day, someone drove by my house and shot me... and then i proclaimed, "YOU SEE!! I TOLD YOU THAT MOTHERFUCKER WAS GOING TO SHOOT ME"... nonsense.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1395941 - 03/20/03 04:09 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

BTW, you never did respond to my reply about your enthusiasm towards Patriot Act 2...

clearly z@z is a little brighter than you are. it should have been painfully obvious that i was joking when i said what i said in that thread.

I LOVE PATRIOT II

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1396078 - 03/20/03 05:20 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

choda, you're overlooking the fact that they could just SAY they prevented some terrorist from blowing up the.. Acadamy Awards or something like that, and say he had some major chemical weapons or whatever, and they'd have it covered...... makes the homeland security idea look fantastic on top of it all.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1396225 - 03/20/03 06:09 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

You could learn a lot by actually reading the FUCKLOAD of information at www.whatreallyhappened.com.
The site doesn't really have 'arguments' as such... recurring themes yes, but is mostly just a news site with hundreds of links to articles of the likes of what is censored by major media metworks. Free journalism is dying/dead in America. You would be patriotic to support such a site, whether you agree with all the articles on it or not.

And it would certainly help to remove the curtain of warm, fuzzy wool from your eyes.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: shoe]
    #1396237 - 03/20/03 06:13 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

And it would certainly help to remove the curtain of warm, fuzzy wool from your eyes.



Whoa... take it easy buckwheat. I think either your reading Strumpling out of context or responding to the wrong post.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: TackleBerry]
    #1396628 - 03/20/03 11:16 PM (21 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

Jesus Christ are you guys paranoid. LOL




Better paranoid than naive and gullible


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Invisiblechodamunky
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: ]
    #1396827 - 03/21/03 01:49 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

it should have been painfully obvious that i was joking when i said what i said in that thread.
Well it wasn't and I have no reason to believe that it is a joke after reviewing your past posts and where you stand on certain political issues.

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1396862 - 03/21/03 02:12 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

What do you think about the possibility of Bush using WMDs against US troops in order to make it look like it was Saddam. Because surely if Saddam possessed WMDs he would use them in this war, and if he doesn't, well, he doesn't have them.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Revelation]
    #1396873 - 03/21/03 02:18 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

What do you think about the possibility of Bush using WMDs against US troops in order to make it look like it was Saddam.



I think anyone who thinks this is too stupid to live.


Quote:

Because surely if Saddam possessed WMDs he would use them in this war, and if he doesn't, well, he doesn't have them.



Using your "logic", any one who has a gun and doesn't use one, doesn't have one?
Using your "logic", any country who has a nuke and doesn't use one, doesn't have one?


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1396897 - 03/21/03 02:24 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

Okay.

Please give one reason why Saddam wouldn't use WMD against US troops in this war, if he had them.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1396903 - 03/21/03 02:26 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

Well it wasn't and I have no reason to believe that it is a joke after reviewing your past posts and where you stand on certain political issues.

what issues are you referring to?

i'm pro-freedom. and pro-logic. and pro-fact.

read this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum14&Number=1336661&page=13&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Edited by mushmaster (03/21/03 06:33 AM)

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Revelation]
    #1396904 - 03/21/03 02:27 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

If he did the US would never stop looking for him. (Assuming he decides to flee)


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1396907 - 03/21/03 02:29 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

Using your "logic", any one who has a gun and doesn't use one, doesn't have one?

no... using his logic, if someone may or may not have a gun, and is about to be beaten to death by a large gang, and doesn't use a gun... it's a pretty safe bet that they didn't have a gun.

sounds about right to me.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Revelation]
    #1396910 - 03/21/03 02:30 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

He would lose the few people supporting him if he did. Plus he would never live out the week.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1396934 - 03/21/03 02:39 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

"So, Bush NEEDS a "terror" attack to "prove" the US claims used to justify the war. He has to have one. He cannot politically survive without one."

He doesn't need one at all. All he has to do is claim that their attacks on Iraq prevented further terrorist attacks.

Goddamn, some people can't even wait for things to actually happen before they come up with a conspiracy theory explaining them.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Phluck]
    #1396958 - 03/21/03 02:47 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

Goddamn, some people can't even wait for things to actually happen before they come up with a conspiracy theory explaining them.



Seeing as you lean left, I'm pleasantly surprised to see this from you. Kudos.

It's all too common from many who share your political leanings though.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1397003 - 03/21/03 03:03 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

The same way it's all too common for those that lean right to think everything with the government is a-ok.. :smirk:


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Rono]
    #1397015 - 03/21/03 03:10 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

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The same way it's all too common for those that lean right to think everything with the government is a-ok.. :smirk: 




Actually I think you are very wrong here. I tend to lean towards the right (ok so I do a little more than lean), but I think our government is in terrible shape. There is so much wrong with our governement. I also happen to know that very few people I know that lean towards the right think the government is ok. 


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Rono]
    #1397090 - 03/21/03 03:34 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

Actually (once again) you're wrong. Many, if not most of us here find fault with such things as the PAtriot Act, drug laws, high taxes and more.

I can't recall a single post from any right leaner saying everything this gov does is a-ok.

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1397234 - 03/21/03 04:13 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

Oh, Phluck definitely leans to the left in a lot of areas, but he is a SMART left-leaner.

I disagree with him on many points, but his arguments are almost always very well thought out and he is a skilled practitioner of logic and common sense.

It is a real pleasure to debate with him... unfortunately, a hell of a lot of what he says I can't dispute, so our clashes so far have been few and far between.

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Revelation]
    #1397419 - 03/21/03 05:29 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

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Please give one reason why Saddam wouldn't use WMD against US troops in this war, if he had them.




Hussein can not win against this aggression. If he does have 'weapons of mass destruction' he will use them; he has nothing to loose at this stage of the game.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: grib]
    #1397422 - 03/21/03 05:30 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

So, another mind reader who sees all, knows all.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1397438 - 03/21/03 05:35 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

If I were Hussein, and I knew I was going to get my ass kicked and figured I was going to die, I would hit the U.S. with everything I got. If you got nothing to lose, you take the biggest piece out of your opponent as possible.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Evolving]
    #1397476 - 03/21/03 05:45 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

I probably would too. The point was, as I'm sure you realize, that he was speaking as if it was fact, rather than conjecture.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1397492 - 03/21/03 05:48 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

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So, another mind reader who sees all, knows all.




No mind reading here. Just that if he has them he will use them. Would he have anything to loose?
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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: grib]
    #1397498 - 03/21/03 05:51 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

You have no way of knowing at this moment if he will use them or not.

You think he will, but that's not the same.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1397510 - 03/21/03 05:54 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

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You have no way of knowing at this moment if he will use them or not.





correct, no one does. my comments were never meant as a statement of fact, only what logic would seem to dictate.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1397574 - 03/21/03 06:07 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

I think it's a pretty delicate situation. On one hand you've got Bush saying that he is going to remove Saddam from power by any means nessesary. One could assume by death, but I think that would be merely be speculation at this point, accurate to a point, but still. I think that it is pretty obvious to the entire world that the Iraqi army is no match for America's military. Saddam may realize his days are numbered and fight with any means available.

I think if he thought that there was a chance he could defeat us w/o chem weapons he wouldn't use them. Doing so would turn the world's opinion against him, justifying our cause, and in turn making us look good, something which I am betting he doesn't want. And if the world opinion were to completey turn against him, he could expect we would receive more military support.

Then again, we are all trying to analyze this as rational humans, something Saddam is not.  :smirk:


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1397615 - 03/21/03 06:16 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

I_Fart_Blue writes:

Then again, we are all trying to analyze this as rational humans, something Saddam is not.

Actually, up until a few days ago, I thought he was rational, pretty much.

Everyone seems to assume that his only option is to go out in a blaze of glory, like Sampson in the temple. He may surprise us and realize that he still has a way to get out of this alive -- by agreeing to an unconditional surrender and taking his chances with an international court.

But if he triggers a nuke or lets loose a cloud of bio or chem, he is dead for sure.

I know which choice I'd make.

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Phred]
    #1397622 - 03/21/03 06:17 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

he should've taken the money and run weeks ago...

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Phred]
    #1397648 - 03/21/03 06:23 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

"Actually, up until a few days ago, I thought he was rational, pretty much.

I think he is pretty far out there, though certainly more grounded than a lot of tyranical leaders in the past.

"Everyone seems to assume that his only option is to go out in a blaze of glory, like Sampson in the temple. He may surprise us and realize that he still has a way to get out of this alive -- by agreeing to an unconditional surrender and taking his chances with an international court."

You're right, he may. I for one would be shocked. How would an int'l court process work?


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1397668 - 03/21/03 06:29 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

i think that most people in absolute control of a major nation would hold onto that control as long as possible by whatever means necessary.

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1397672 - 03/21/03 06:30 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

How would an int'l court process work?

what ever happened to milosovich? isn't he under house arrest or something?

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    #1397722 - 03/21/03 06:47 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

mushmaster writes:

i think that most people in absolute control of a major nation would hold onto that control as long as possible by whatever means necessary.

Holding onto control is one thing. Committing suicide is another.

Saddam has always believed (with ample justification, obviously) that he can talk his way out of anything. This self-confidence of his leads me to believe he would gamble on pulling some kind of a fast one at an international court. He may get life imprisonment, he may even be busted out of jail by some sympathetic homies -- as long as you're alive, you can always maneuver somehow.

But even Hussein knows that if he unleashes a cloud of plague or whatever, someone will kill him, perhaps as he tries to "flee custody". Or an Iraqi version of Jack Ruby, or whatever.

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Phred]
    #1397730 - 03/21/03 06:51 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

He's was busted out of jail in Egypt I believe. I don't know if the courts would risk that again.  :confused:


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Phred]
    #1397774 - 03/21/03 07:12 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

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Everyone seems to assume that his only option is to go out in a blaze of glory, like Sampson in the temple. He may surprise us and realize that he still has a way to get out of this alive -- by agreeing to an unconditional surrender and taking his chances with an international court.




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what ever happened to milosovich? isn't he under house arrest or something?




Milo?evic is on trial at the Hague.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Revelation]
    #1398129 - 03/21/03 09:54 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

I've read about the same thing a while ago...kind of makes you wonder what the goverment is capable of in this day and age. ***cough*9/11*cough***


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    #1398140 - 03/21/03 10:04 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

there are some craaaazy people in this world.

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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: Rono]
    #1398161 - 03/21/03 10:11 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

I'm very worried about what's going on.



That is all.


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Re: Where will the staged terror attack happen? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1398366 - 03/21/03 11:41 AM (21 years, 13 days ago)

But if there are no such attacks, then the world will know that Saddam did not have those WMDs and was never a threat to the US.

Amerika is trying to prevent these attacks from happening, not induce them.

So, Bush NEEDS a "terror" attack to "prove" the US claims used to justify the war. He has to have one.

No he doesn't. The war is allready happening.





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    #1398825 - 03/21/03 03:18 PM (21 years, 13 days ago)

The next attack around the world will only be for trust.


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