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Tunisia, Egypt...where is next?
    #13949766 - 02/12/11 03:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

With a Day of Rage planned in Algeria today, and autocrats across the region nervously planning their escape route, which countries do you think will soon fall to the will of their people?

Syria - last time they tried he killed a town of 40,000
Algeria - List of Algerian massacres of the 1990s
Saudia Arabia - the king is about to die
Yemen - the poorest country in the region with the youngest population
Jordan - the king just replace the government and increased gasoline subsidies
Iran - they've had protests before but they were repressed
Which other countries will fall to the will of their peoples
You may choose many


Votes accepted from (02/12/11 03:44 AM) to (No end specified)
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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: mm.]
    #13951388 - 02/12/11 01:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What makes you think Egypt has fallen to the "will of the people"?  So far the only people being represented are those in the mob in Cairo. 

I wouldn't be getting all misty-eyed about this.  Nothing that has occurred there has even the faintest whiff of democratic process.  A mob with pitchforks is not in any way democratic.


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13951439 - 02/12/11 01:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13951485 - 02/12/11 02:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
A mob with pitchforks is not in any way democratic.




true. don't forget army is the only group maintaing order right now.

what makes you think egypt couldn't fall in a military totalitarism?

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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: cc2]
    #13951520 - 02/12/11 02:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
A mob with pitchforks is not in any way democratic.




true. don't forget army is the only group maintaing order right now.

what makes you think egypt couldn't fall in a military totalitarism?



Nothing.  Nor theocratic totalitarianism.


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13951590 - 02/12/11 02:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
A mob with pitchforks is not in any way democratic.




true. don't forget army is the only group maintaing order right now.

what makes you think egypt couldn't fall in a military totalitarism?
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zappaisgod said:
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zappaisgod said:
A mob with pitchforks is not in any way democratic.




true. don't forget army is the only group maintaing order right now.

what makes you think egypt couldn't fall in a military totalitarism?



Nothing.  Nor theocratic totalitarianism.




sorry it wasn't meant to you, but to OP

I just highlighted your good point :smile:

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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13951900 - 02/12/11 03:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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  A mob with pitchforks is not in any way democratic.




Nor was Moebarak, let's wait a couple of days...


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: obi]
    #13951917 - 02/12/11 03:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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  A mob with pitchforks is not in any way democratic.




Nor was Moebarak, let's wait a couple of days...




we'll see, let's hope for the best

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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: cc2]
    #13952022 - 02/12/11 03:48 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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let's hope for the best



:thumbup: :popcorn:


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: obi]
    #13952045 - 02/12/11 03:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I know that.  And it isn't going to be a couple of days.  It will take years.


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13952087 - 02/12/11 04:11 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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It will take years.




Not necessarily. Did the Moedjahedin take over?


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: obi]
    #13952722 - 02/12/11 06:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What moujahedin?


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13953909 - 02/12/11 11:37 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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A mob with pitchforks is not in any way democratic.




What about Bastille day (the original)?


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: mm.]
    #13954721 - 02/13/11 07:14 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

in your poll, are you differentiating between paid actors staging demonstrations,  and genuine will of the people?  that distinction seems to go unnoticed quite often.

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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #13955363 - 02/13/11 11:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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A mob with pitchforks is not in any way democratic.




What about Bastille day (the original)?



What about it?  And do you recall what ensued?  I think they call it the Reign of Terror


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: Grav]
    #13955566 - 02/13/11 12:07 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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in your poll, are you differentiating between paid actors staging demonstrations,  and genuine will of the people?  that distinction seems to go unnoticed quite often.




The only people paid to demonstrate in Egypt were the police.



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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13956043 - 02/13/11 02:04 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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A mob with pitchforks is not in any way democratic.




What about Bastille day (the original)?



What about it?




It was the birth of democracy in France.

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And do you recall what ensued?  I think they call it the Reign of Terror




Yes, of course. The revolutionary purge of the middle class got very carried away very quickly and lasted for a long time. Its a vital lesson of history...if a revolution becomes tied to the letting of blood, the tendency is for the blood letting to continue indefinitely. France eventually got around to establishing a healthy democracy but for quite awhile it had an ugly one. Everyone seems to agree that Egypt needs to be very careful that its so far peaceful ousting of a tyrant doesn't get hijacked by the guillotine crowd.


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #13956202 - 02/13/11 02:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You seem to be expressing the hope that this mob will not become the other mob you cited as the cradle of Democracy in France.  I would posit that the revolution against The Revolution which encompassed the storming of the Bastille was the cradle of Democracy in France.  The reaction to the Robespierres and DuFarges.

Egypt is on a knife edge.


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13958772 - 02/13/11 11:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Then there is the people themselves.  Here is what they believe
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1874/egypt-protests-democracy-islam-influence-politics-islamic-extremism




From that article: "another 16% said it did not matter what kind of government is in place for a person in their situation."  :dudewtf:

I wonder if this sort of apathy is a global trend; what percentage of Americans would agree to that statement?


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Re: Tunisia, Egypt...where is next? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #13960464 - 02/14/11 10:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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What about Bastille day (the original)?



What about it?




It was the birth of democracy in France.





How so?  I think democracy came about 100 years after Bastille and the Terror.

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