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Offlineflow
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Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD??
    #1394159 - 03/20/03 06:07 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

ok, to all of you out there who are opposed to this war, do you believe saddam when he says he has no WMD, or Bush when he says saddam does?
I ask this, because he obviously does, it's common sense when you look at the evindence. True, the US has not presented much new evidence of WMD, but are these stockpiles really that difficult to hide in a country where more than a third of the land is uninhabited?? Do you think it is really that difficult for saddam to delay, trick, and confuse inspectors enough to move these weapons to a different location?? NO. Not at all. That is why the call for the US to provide more evidence of WMD is stupid. According to inspectors saddam has not provided enough evidence that he has none. Who lost the last war?? So why doesn't the burden of proof fall on Saddam?? That's what the inspections were supposed to be about in the first place.
By the way if you really do believe Saddam has no WMD, please at least eductae yourself on the subject, the best, and perhaps scariest book i have read on the subject is:
Saddams Bombmaker: The Terrifying Inside Story of the Iraqi Nuclear and Biological Weapons Agenda
by: Dr.Khidhir Hamza
he was the head of the iraqi nuclear weapons development for two decades, and has arguably the most inside knowledge of saddam's weapons systems, as well as he method of rule. This book would give me nightmares if i lived in Kuwait, Israel, etc...


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: flow]
    #1394171 - 03/20/03 06:12 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

To my knowledge Iraq has never possessed atomic weapons, which are the only weapons of mass destruction. WMD has become an over used term lately. Chemical weapons don't massivly destroy things, they leave structures and inanimate things intact.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: flow]
    #1394172 - 03/20/03 06:13 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Best not to believe either Saddam or Bush but the UN weapons inspectors on the ground. Who have stated Iraq is 90-95% disarmed. That's a higher percentage disarmament figure than any other country on earth.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: flow]
    #1394177 - 03/20/03 06:15 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Saddam and George are both liars.

Iraq have WMD but nowhere near the amount the US claim.

Most of the nerve gas etc that gets talked about would be useless now even if the Iraqi's still had it.



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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1394180 - 03/20/03 06:17 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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To my knowledge Iraq has never possessed atomic weapons, which are the only weapons of mass destruction. WMD has become an over used term lately. Chemical weapons don't massivly destroy things, they leave structures and inanimate things intact.



You are correct. It seems that the Bush administration has borrowed a tactic from the liberal playbook of redefining terms to suite their agenda. Bush cannot be trusted, Sadam Hussein cannot be trusted.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: flow]
    #1394183 - 03/20/03 06:18 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Saddam has chemical and biological weapons, alright. But Bush conveniently expanded the definition of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" to include these, as opposed to the previous definition, which only included nuclear weapons. Since I hate Bush, and since chemical and biological weapons don't destroy on nearly the scale that nukes do, I will not accept his new definition, and will instead go with the previous definition. I have not seen the slightest bit of evidence that Saddam possesses nukes. So in other words, ya, I really believe Saddam has no WMD.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1394217 - 03/20/03 06:31 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Silversoul writes:

But Bush conveniently expanded the definition of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" to include these, as opposed to the previous definition, which only included nuclear weapons.

So sorry, but it wasn't Bush who "changed" the definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction to include bio and chemical. You are correct that originally the international community defined WMD as strictly nuclear devices, but as it became apparent that some nerve agents and especially biological weapons (i.e. a fatal contagious disease which could develop into a worldwide epidemic) were capable of at least as many deaths, that definition was expanded.

I don't know about you, but I first heard the phrase "WMD" decades ago. Why don't you go to the UN website and see what their definition of WMD includes?

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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: flow]
    #1394219 - 03/20/03 06:32 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i don't think he has nukes but i am pretty confident about the chemical and biological.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1394222 - 03/20/03 06:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Forgive me inny, but you being "pretty confident" doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence.

You've heard Shrub tell you they have em - that's basically your entire basis for believing it.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1394262 - 03/20/03 06:46 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Best not to believe either Saddam or Bush but the UN weapons inspectors on the ground



or Dr. Khidhir Hamza. The only reason to believe the weapons inspectors would be if you thought Saddam was giving full cooperation, which he wasnt.
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That's a higher percentage disarmament figure than any other country on earth.



hahahahahaha, i just love how you try to make points out of nothing


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1394266 - 03/20/03 06:47 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Forgive me inny, but you being "pretty confident" doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence



i'd believe Colin Powell over you anyday...or are you agreeing with the BBC?

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that's basically your entire basis for believing it.



do you actually think before you type?


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1394271 - 03/20/03 06:49 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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To my knowledge Iraq has never possessed atomic weapons, which are the only weapons of mass destruction.



so we should wait til he gets one then??
as i have posted in another thread, there is proof that saddam has been trying to obtain the components necessary to build a nuke.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: flow]
    #1394275 - 03/20/03 06:50 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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That's a higher percentage disarmament figure than any other country on earth.


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hahahahahaha, i just love how you try to make points out of nothing




What if its true? I doubt you would check. Your dogma might fall off.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: flow]
    #1394279 - 03/20/03 06:50 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I think WMDs are anything that kills or destroys..

Personaly I could kill thousands with one Liter of anthrax with a home made bomb from parts in my garage...

So yah, Im pretty sure Sadam has WMDs.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: Phred]
    #1394281 - 03/20/03 06:51 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

A quick websearch reveals this, from http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorw.htm --

Weapons of Mass Destruction

This term for a nuclear, biological, or chemical weapon is older than you might think. It actually dates to 1937, before the existence of nuclear or biological weapons. It was first used by the London Times on 28 December of that year, "Who can think without horror of what another widespread war would mean, waged as it would be with all the new weapons of mass destruction?" The original reference is to aerial bombing of cities, which had become a reality that year in the Spanish Civil War, chemicals, and other modern weaponry.

In the 1960s, the term weapons of mass destruction became a jargon term of the arms control community. Throughout the rest of the 20th century, the term pretty much remained an arms control jargon term, until 2002 when events in Iraq brought the term into the public eye.


If you feel more comfortable using the older term "NBC" rather than "WMD", it doesn't change the fact that the 1991 conditional surrender specifically requires that Hussein provide convincing proof of the destruction of all his biological, chemical, and nuclear weaponry AND the destruction of all facilities used for their production.

Call it NBC, call it WMD, call it "nukes, germs, and gas" -- it doesn't alter the principle involved.

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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1394325 - 03/20/03 07:04 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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What if its true? I doubt you would check. Your dogma might fall off.



i have no doubt it's true, but i doubt it's verifiable. Also, what i meant was iraq was ordered by the UN to disarm. of course they are going to have a higher "percentage disarmament figure" than other countries in the world.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: flow]
    #1394495 - 03/20/03 07:57 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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To my knowledge Iraq has never possessed atomic weapons, which are the only weapons of mass destruction.



so we should wait til he gets one then??
as i have posted in another thread, there is proof that saddam has been trying to obtain the components necessary to build a nuke.



I don't care if Iraq has 50 a-bombs. He's on the other side of the world and he's never bothered me.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: flow]
    #1394514 - 03/20/03 08:04 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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ok, to all of you out there who are opposed to this war, do you believe saddam when he says he has no WMD, or Bush when he says saddam does?




I prefer evidence. People should not believe everything they hear or read regardless of source -- verify the facts. Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: grib]
    #1394612 - 03/20/03 08:35 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Question: How do you tell when a politician is lying?
Answer: His lips move.


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Re: Do you actually believe Saddam has no WMD?? [Re: Evolving]
    #1394672 - 03/20/03 08:49 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

We'll find out soon enough.

If he has them, odds are overwhelming that he'll use them on US troops. Knowing his psychology, if he's going to die, he'll try to do it with a bang.

If no WMD are deployed against US forces, Saddam didn't have them. Period. Anything that US forces claim to "find" after hostilities are over is clearly suspect (at least for any thinking person).


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