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Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help)
#13935677 - 02/09/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This room is an additional room built to house my Greenhouses in my basement. I'm not looking to make a GH room in my house, yet. Just need a little help w/ the dimensions & making sure I'm figuring everything right would be greatly appreciated.
Room Dimensions: 98"Dx98"Wx77"H
98"D - (3.5x2) = 92" (3.5" Being the Width of a 2x4) 98"W = 98"W (the wood will be hitting the other one perfectly, slipping the D into the W (sexual jokes welcome)) 77"H - (1.5x2)= 74" (1.5" Being the Thickness of a 2x4)
I was going to put 4x4's on the Ends of the Width sides to make sure the wood framing will match up perfectly to the Depth...
Also, I'm going to be putting (2) 2x4's in the walls for support. They'll roughly be 30" apart from one another.
Do you guys think that if I turned the center support 2x4's side ways (making a T skinny style against the top & bottom) that'd be enough to support my lights? They're the shop style, either 3' or 4' long...I plan on just using 1 of them for the room for both FC's, which is (2) 6500K lights. Obviously, I'll be positioning the light after I've put in my GH's to decipher the best positioning for the lighting...
I've got a shit more to say, but I don't want to bog anyone down. Figure this is going to be enough to start us on this discussion...
*In the voice of Milla Jovavich in "The Fifth ELement"* PALEASE HELP...palease help...
in advance
I've got plenty more to say. Like I said, just a start, please start spitting questions @ me & we'll figure this bastard out...I'm going to buy supplies in 24 hours. all help is extremely appreciated.
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#13936069 - 02/09/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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A single 2*4 is more than enough to support a shop light. even turned on it's side.hell , a 2*2 would do that, and for that matter so would a 1*2
I'm not sure I get your 4*4 reference? seems like way to big and cumbersome to use in light framing.
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: Ozzy]
#13936147 - 02/09/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, originally I was planning on the 4x4 for the lights. However, I don't know how the GH's are going to be positioned once in the "room," which will be covered in 4 mm plastic inside & out (double wrap style).
The 4x4's are for the longer part of the "wall" that will connect to the shorter side. Therefore, giving me exact flush wood of a 4x4 against a 2x4.
Also, the lights will be positioned vertically rather than horizontally, if that makes any difference.
Again, this is an additional room made to help maintain heat & security against my dog...not that I think he'd be interested. (He doesn't like the basement much, as cold as it is.) But still, I feel I need some extra "insulation"/buffering against the colder elements of a basement vs. a ground level room to keep everything at a semi-consistent temp of 70.
O yea, the heat element...I'll be putting in a oil-filled radiator style space-heater w/ a digital/controllable thermostat for the room.
It's not "framing" for the light. It's where my screws are going to go into the wood to hold up the light...I get ya though. I think a 2x4 would be fine...considering the strength of 3" wood screws through the top part of the frame & sides...
Thanks again guys. All help & questions welcome!
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#13936282 - 02/09/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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couple of things.. you could scrape the 4*4, it's not neccesary, use lathe to bump out to your desired width. or cardboard drywall shims if the difference is small.
putting the radiator in the room will drop your humidity SUBSTANTIALY when it is running, pipe the heat in before your ultrasonic so that it mixes with the humid air first . if your using vicks 400 don't expect it to even be close to where you need it be when the radiator is on. it will drop to like 40%, not to mention the humidity ruining your radiator.
position of the light will not make a difference, a 2*4 is more than plenty.
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: Ozzy]
#13936350 - 02/09/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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My humidifier: 
I'll be running the blower & aquarium pump 24/7...fogger will be tweaked, but starting @ 10 minutes per hour. I've got a water heater in the tub, too...I don't think/hope I'm going to have RH issues. Also, my house stays @ 40% RH throughout the winter.
Thank you for the input Ozzy.
Pics will be coming of everything once I've built it...for you lurkers...
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#13936418 - 02/09/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats a cool little setup you got there todlow . from the sounds of it it seems like you got a good start. I would still put the radiator on the dry side of humidifier. I recently tried to do what you are thinking of and the radiator rusted quickly and the terminals corroded in a matter if a month or two.
another tip is to hook up the intake of the fan to a filter. take a look at minehttp://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13902140
also, it might be better to have a seperate lower cfm fan for exaust that runs all the time, and have the fogger and the bigger fan go on at the same time for shorter inervals.Thats what worked better for me at least.
In any event,I'm excited to see how it works out for you.
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: Ozzy]
#13936500 - 02/09/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks. Def. going to keep everyone up-to-date through this thread on the set-up.
Yea, I've thought of a filter on the blower...it's only rated for .5" of SP...a filter = .2" & my current set-up is around .4"...a little too heavy for me ATM...I'm already going to switch up the positioning of the tubes to the GH's...They're both going on the bottom & I'm thinking of a very small fan pumping air out of the GH's...
Good call on the heater...may have to figure something out w/ the corrosion...we'll see in a few months.
Yup, seen your set-up...you've got a few admirers out there...
the only thing of your set-up that I can't figure out is the damn 30 gal. trash can as a water resevoir...how the hell does that keep pressure? I can barely push down on the center of my container w/ everything running... Good shit for sure...
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#13936552 - 02/09/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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AS far as my trash can keeping pressure I get a very small amount of air out of the side of the lid, no drips and nothing wet around it. Prolly has to do with the 4in ducting being large enough to handle the output of my fan without becoming constricted.
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: Ozzy]
#14000900 - 02/21/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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OK, room is just about done, just have the final wall & roof/top to put on.
My heater blower for the basement is directly facing one of the walls.
Do you think it'd be a better idea to pipe that into the room? or stick w/ my radiator style space heater in there?
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14003701 - 02/21/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I stick with the radiator , you are gonna find that the forced air will be even worse on the humidity than the space heater/ not to mention not being able to filter it. I think soon enough you'll understand the importance of heating the air before the humidity setup and then pumping it in room after, so you'll be changing it soon enough.
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: Ozzy]
#14003868 - 02/21/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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cool brotha.
Thanks. I'll guess I'll find out soon enough. I've got the space to do it in an adjacent area. Heating the air that is.
Also, I could just run the direct heat through a filter thus reducing the excessive heat coming from it.
I'm steadily @ 74 degrees w/out a roof ATM, too. I think I'll be able to put more distance between the GH's & the heater once the top is on the bitch.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Always welcome
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14212640 - 03/30/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, It's been a crazy journey w/ the room. I'll have a final update in a day or so. Here are the pictures. They pretty much speak for themselves.
 
First is of it Empty, Second is from the Back corner & last is from entrance towards Back corner.
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14231454 - 04/03/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looking really nice man!!!
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: Deekay]
#14235655 - 04/04/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks buddy .
I'll have a few more pictures to post on here tonight. Just getting the lights up & what not...I hate working around tubs, but I have to.
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14257988 - 04/08/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, I figure it's about time for a bump & some questions. I can get the pictures up in about 6 hours if needed.
I want to get my lights off the walls of my room. I want to suspend them from above by cutting 3 2x4's to size to fit the length of the room. I'd sink the holes by drilling 2" deep into my wall boards like this (obviously it'd be more in the center of the boards...that picture is from my dehydrator build I'm currently doing): 
The 2x4s would be 91" Long. That's the picture of the light. They're 4' long shop lights.
Now do you guys think that a 2x4 that's 91" long can hold a 4' shop light w/ bulbs?
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14262663 - 04/09/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you want lighting help huh.. What are you gona be running tubs now ??
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: Damion5050]
#14262671 - 04/09/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LOL. Look @ the pics. haha. see the evolution of the room. & "gonna" isn't the right tense. I AM running tubs ONLY ATM. I've got 6 in fruiting conditions & 3 more colonizing ATM.
Currently the lights are running across the vertical support beams. Just imagine the light in the above picture parallel w/ the ground instead of perpendicular & that's my current lighting set up.
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14262676 - 04/09/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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How much do you want to spend and what are the dimensions of your room again I don't feel like readin lmao.. And what are you species are you growing right now ??
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: Damion5050]
#14262697 - 04/09/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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From the interior of the top 2x4 to the opposite side is 91". The room is 91-1/2" the other way. The boards would be going across the 91" gap.
I've got the lights & bulbs already. I was thinking of just buying 3 2x4x8 boards & cutting them to size. Or do you think that a 91" long 2x4 isn't enough to support a 4ft shop light that takes 1-1/2" diameter bulbs?
I've got 2 Z-Strain Tubs, 1 KSSS tub & 3 PE6 Tubs. I have 2 other PE6 tubs colonizing & my last KSSS tub colonizing too.
Eventually I want to put a few random levels of shelving on the walls too, for Reishis.
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Re: Spare Room build for Mycology Fruiting Purposes (Please help) [Re: TranscendingLife]
#14262721 - 04/09/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The board should be enough to support the weight of the lights.. How many lights do you plan on hanging from the one board ??
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