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#1393140 - 03/19/03 08:03 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1393256 - 03/19/03 08:36 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I also was wondering which lights would be best for my setup?
Any help is appreciated!!
A) A "grow Light" looks like a normal fluro from lowes, supposedly makes the flowers super grow. B) A wal-mart stick me anywhere fluro? C) Some other sorta light!!!
What lights can I find that I dont have to wire in that produce blue spectrum???
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Apocolypse]
#1393450 - 03/19/03 10:10 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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those lights covered with a blue film work great. they are regular screw type bulbs meant to accentuate and help grow a small house plant.
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: felix]
#1393920 - 03/20/03 02:51 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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a friend uses one of those sun lamps, the full spectrum kind that are supposed to help your mood in the winter. it's an expensive solution but he tells me it works!
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1395786 - 03/20/03 03:13 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Try verilux
http://www.allergybuyersclubshopping.com/fulspecfrosf.html
Artificial light has two qualities: the color temperature (measured in Kelvin I believe) and the CRI (Color Rendering Index). The CRI is a measurement of how closely the light approximates sunshine -- daylight has a CRI of 100 theoretically. Those shitty methadone clinic fluorescent bulbs have a CRI of like 45 (Philips Cool White)
The verilux are pricey -- SWIM got some fluro tubes for like $10 a piece! The light is very good. SWIM has had good luck with pin sets under diffuse full spectrum (e.g. Verilux) bulbs.
I dont work for these crackers or anything -- they are just the only "full spectrum light" vendor I know of ....
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1397252 - 03/21/03 04:20 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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IMO light isnt important enough to buy a special light, i think stamets was saying that the spectrum that mycellium respond to best is the blue/violet (i cant remember the exact length) Light is like the key to the mushroom automobile, it starts it, but after its turned on it isnt really needed, although if you pin with light, then stop, your shrooms wont grow straight...
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: poke smot!]
#1399738 - 03/22/03 04:17 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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These LEDs have a 470 nm wavelength (typically). You need 480 nm. They're probably about as close as you could get to lighting with just that pure color (short of using diffused laser light). The heat generated by these things would be minimal.
You would need to do some construction. Wire the LEDs with appropriate resistors in parallel then connect this to a AC/DC transformer with the appropriate power rating and hook this into a cheap AC timer and then into the wall outlet.
Or you could forget about the AC/DC adapter and let it run off DC current with an appropriate DC timer (hard to find and expensive). This could be useful for a portable grow setup (battery operated in a van, shed, etc).
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1406980 - 03/24/03 07:17 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm a first timer and have yet to germinate my spores (EQ on rye, hehe) but I've been doing plenty of research and I was already curious about this aspect of mushroom growth- might as well optimize every single thing and go all out. let me know Alien how this turns out, i'll be following closely...
it's wonderful to see so many people thinking methodically and devising clever experiments, if only they tought something like this in high school I think kids would learn to appreciate science and nature a whole lot more! ;P
ExPr
my background is in human tissue culture so I'm fairly confident in my sterile technique, and it helps with access to flowhoods and such so I'm pretty stoked on getting a good first harvest.
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1409030 - 03/25/03 01:18 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Corecto Mundo, Alien
A few years ago, in a far far away time, when I didn?t have a clew what I was doing, I had the bright idea to use a 5500K light source as 5500K is supposed to have a good Color Rendering Index. Meaning it will give good reflective properties to light blue as well as red. My little shroomey buddies quickly told me ?I HATE YOU?!
I quickly changed the lamps to 6500K, Daylight white/ Cool white, and my little shroomey buddies told me ?I LOVE YOU?! 4500K, warm white, is high in red spectrum. Don?t even go there.
I also installed a high UV light, not a true blue black light, but high in UV around 320 NM. I experimented with it to start penning. 5 minute on cycle, it didn?t seem to help. This is about the time PF was experimenting with black light and mutated his entire strain! That?s right Boy?s and Girl?s, black light will mutate your strain to the point the second generation will say, ?I HATE YOU?!! Don?t even go there. What PF is hawking now is not even close to his strain in ?99. I have gone through a living HELL with the PF mutant strain. Seams his original strain is lost and gone FOREVER!
I don?t use fluorescent, I use neon. I suggest if you must use fluorescent, Daylight T8 is O.K., T6 would be better, less flicker. A 50% on cycle works fine, puts less heat into your growing environment. LOL
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1434661 - 04/06/03 10:04 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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i use a 25 watt compact floro... is that ok?
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: amyloid]
#1461348 - 04/15/03 05:58 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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this thread addressed an issue i have been thinking about for a while. while we all agree that our favorite species doesn't need a particular type of light, those who have read TMC may have thought about certain types of light initiating more pinheads than others. quoting TMC: "A thorough investigation on the photosensitivity of Psilocybe cubensis can be found in a master's thesis by E.R. Badham (1979). His work reinforces the conclusions of other researchers working with the basidiomycetes: more pinheads are initiated upon exposure to blue and ultra-violet light with distinct peaks at 370, 440, and 460 nanometers. Badham showed that light stimulation at these wavelengths for as little as half a millisecond per day caused primordia to form."
so, this being said, where does one obtain a bulb which emits light on these frequencies? i am assuming a black light falls into the range of wavelengths, after all a black light is really blue and the spectrum of visible light starts at 400 nanometers. if anyone else has info on this i'd like to see it posted, or if i'm wrong about anything i've written, i'd like to see that too
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: effwun]
#1461376 - 04/15/03 06:10 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actinic light or a 50/50 (Coralife, Marine Glo, 10,000K, 12,500K, 14,000K, 20,000K, etc.) - all sorts of light data (spectral analysis, lumen output, PAR values, etc.) are available in the aquarium literature and bulbs from aquarium mail order sources ie. marine depot, champion lighting, etc.
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: effwun]
#1461643 - 04/15/03 07:41 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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YEAH What he said!! Seriously youre probably wasteing your money on specialty bulbs for no reason.If you want to "go the extra mile " just get a cheap florecent shop lite ballist with a blacklight tube and one with a "grow" light. I personally use two blacklights so far pinset has been good will post pics soon.
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: effwun]
#1470703 - 04/18/03 02:48 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Throwing in my 2 cents worth... I use a Actinic Blue light bulb that peaks at 480 nanometers, is available at fish stores (for aquariums). 15 watts, works beautifully
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Shroomwhisperer]
#1510915 - 05/01/03 09:47 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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i feel compelled to take at this post. granted i don't have that many posts, but then again, i don't think the rating system for is very fair since those who have little or no idea what they are doing and make a shitload of two line replies with no relevant information other than some uneducated opinion, or "yeah man, totally" being the entire body of the reply are rated "mushroom gurus" or whatever. i've been experimenting on and off for a few years, and i've been using the shroomery website ever since it started back at lycaeum.org, for those of you who go back that far. that being said, i HIGHLY doubt black light had anything to do w/ mutation. i'm sure if there was any available data or anyone else w/ experience on this it would have been posted by now. i have gotten the best pinhead development using a "black light" however, i do only use the black light during pinhead initiation, and after that, incadescent or diffuse natural light. i also realize that this prolific pinset could be due to any number of other factors, so for now i'm superstitious about using the black light. granted, if mushroomwhisperer really was using a UV light (which i doubt anyway) i don't doubt that UV light can cause mutations, but i am extremely skeptical. and why the hell would you use a black light anyway, Badham noted the specific wavelengths that seemed to develop more pinheads, and UV light was not among them.
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: effwun]
#1513031 - 05/01/03 09:01 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I got one of those under the counter fluorescent setups from Wal nuts does that mean I have to get a different setup? If I were to try it I would be using the Hippies invitro/Chronic TEK would that matter?
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: effwun]
#1514610 - 05/02/03 11:10 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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i just wanted to correct myself before anyone else found it necessary to do so. as you can see in earlier posts or in TMC Badham does suggest that ultra-violet increased pinhead formation. HOWEVER, according to TMC Badham noticed distinct peaks at 370, 440, and 460 nanometers. visible light falls into the range of 400-700 nanometer wavelength. for reference, the spectrum of visible light can be expressed as 4 x 10^-7m - 7 x 10^-7m. the chemistry book i'm referencing places UV light in the 10^-8m range. that being said, i'm not sure if the 370 nm wavelength Badham noted ( or 3.7 x 10^-7m) would be considered UV or not. in any event, and number of things could have caused the ALLEGED mutations, and at this point, UV cannot definitively be to blame for the ALLEGED mutations
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1514633 - 05/02/03 11:19 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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i've always gotten best results from sunlight.
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1517861 - 05/03/03 03:58 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you are looking for a good bulb go to PetCo and go the the fish tank isle and find the " Ocean Blue " 12 - 24 Inch bulbs and i think not only will you be impressed with the light source but also the bulbs seem to run a little cooler and don't heat up as much. I think that is due the coloring of the bulb. GoodLuck
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: DrShroomAholic]
#1517883 - 05/03/03 04:17 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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A screw in type compact fluorescent light bulb works great for my foaf.
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: SixTango]
#1518361 - 05/03/03 09:35 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you would like a small compact but yet vivid in blue color try 1 or 2 christmas lights you should look for the 1 1/2 round ball lights they sell them at walmart and if you want to try somthing new try 1 blue and 1 purple. you may be suprised with your end result. also these bulbs are low heaters and wont over heat your rig,
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: DrShroomAholic]
#1521505 - 05/05/03 09:41 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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my friend uses a 60watt GE REVEAL lighbulb, it works.. how much of a difference can lighting make?
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#1533005 - 05/09/03 12:07 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1533041 - 05/09/03 12:19 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Finally I decided to order a Vita-Lite which is a brand name that the TMC recommended as it falls right into the category of spectrum and wavelength done in the thesis.
This is what I use.
No wonder I get great growth.
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#1538751 - 05/11/03 09:14 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1539436 - 05/11/03 04:39 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm glad this bubbled back up...where does one order the Vita-Lite?
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1546904 - 05/13/03 11:14 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Try lighting made for reptiles. www.bigappleherp.com
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Alien]
#1727631 - 07/18/03 12:47 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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It would be interesting if the overall yield is better with vita-lite or if only the pin set is improved.
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: Anno]
#1727861 - 07/18/03 02:21 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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How about Chroma 50 bulbs? I have used them in my fish tanks before, and they have a temperature of 5000K with a CRI of 92.
https://secure.tcinternet.net/buylighting/cart/chroma50.html
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: shakta]
#1727878 - 07/18/03 02:28 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Blue Actinic 50/50 peaking at 420 nanometers kicks ass I heard. so does indirect light. They don't really use light for anything other than as a signal to fruit, so it doesn't matter that much.
i'd like to see some pics of blacklight usage
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: effwun]
#1728116 - 07/18/03 03:43 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is what Afoaf found using a GE Bright Stick Gro and Show light was placed 10" above 14 hours a day to induce pinning on a large 18 gallon tub casing. The Blue represents pinning directly under the light strip was massive pinning following where the light has been laid with small growths patches scattered this tells me for next time to move the light around few times day So yes I think light has allot to do with your pinset .
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Re: High Blue Spectra vs Warm-White/ Cool White [Re: FallenShroom]
#1729100 - 07/18/03 11:09 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Back in the day when I was growing these fun little 'guys... used a Hagen brand (available at PetCo) 48" Day Glo (7500K) in combination with a 48" Actinic Blue. ALWAYS got very good pin sets. The only reason two lights were used is because it was a 48" two bulb shoplight fixture. Ran 'em 8 hrs/day, 16 off.
Also tried experimenting with a GE brand 48" BlackLight (near UV spectrum, approx 325 NM to < 500NM(?)). Found no benefit from the Blacklight over the other setup.
Shroomwhisperer, I have the pre '99 PF classic strain PM me if you wish.
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