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OfflineKilljoy
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Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth.
    #1392408 - 03/19/03 06:11 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Told my sister that I would keep a more favourable opinion of her if she had a purpose when she called me up instead of just because she was bored.
I told her that going 'un-huh' over and over for a really long time whilst trying to pay attention to whatever she interrupted really holds no interest for me, and that the least she could do is attempt to engage me in some kind of mutually interesting topic of discussion. Instead she starts talking about her University assignment for french. Which is uhhh, great and all, but....

So I told her, that if she tried to make the time that we connect 'special', that I would feel like spending more time with her.

She flipped!

Told me to fuck myself and hung up the phone.

I could have just said "Fuck your phone calls can be long and boring, why the hell are you calling THIS time?!"
But I DIDN'T! I tried to help her out by showing her how she might be stifling our friendship, and all I got was the feeling that I'm an asshole.

Am I an asshole, or does the messanger of truth always get a beatdown?


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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Killjoy]
    #1392443 - 03/19/03 06:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Becuase truth hurts sometimes and people have a mechanism called denial that can be engaged in a split second once words of truth bounce off their ear drums.


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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Killjoy]
    #1392445 - 03/19/03 06:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I hear ya... I gotta deal with that shite, too.

I haven't found a solution yet.


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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Killjoy]
    #1392464 - 03/19/03 06:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

"Am I an asshole, or does the messanger of truth always get a beatdown?"

Its kind of a combination of both: The messenger of truth is always seen as an asshole, hence beatdown.


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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1392489 - 03/19/03 06:38 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Most people would rather hear nice things, even if that means being lied to. Hence, the success of the parasite, ah.. er political class.


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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Killjoy]
    #1392614 - 03/19/03 07:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Am I an asshole, or does the messanger of truth always get a beatdown?

No way man! I say good for you for speaking the truth. One of the things I value most in life is integrity. And by this I do not mean simply not lying to other people; I mean being honest with yourself.

Sometimes, whether negative repurcussions will follow or not, you just have to stand up for yourself and say what's on your mind. Letting other people negatively affect your attitude on a regular basis is no way to live your life!

-RebelSteve



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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Killjoy]
    #1392718 - 03/19/03 07:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You definitely could have been a lot meaner about the issue, and I applaud you for going about it in a benevolent way. On the other hand, shouldn't you also share responsibility for bringing up topics in the conversation? If she is continously ranting about subjects that don't matter to you, wait until she finishes what she's talking about, and try to talk about something that you can both relate to. If you have absolutely nothing in common, then maybe you could have a friendly debate about something that you disagree on. The vast majority of people here seem to consider each other friends, though many disagree on different topics.


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OfflineKilljoy
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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: dawn of a new day]
    #1393074 - 03/19/03 09:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Usually all I talk about is what is pertinent to my life, but I don't want to just shoot the shit with her about drugs and the rave scene.  If she would allow herself to talk more deeply about things, I would be all up for that.  But I don't need to hear about what she's doing at school, the same way she doesn't need to know about how to buffer the pH of a casing mixture in respect only to too much H+'s using crushed oyster shells.

If I have something to talk about, that's when I call her.  That way I don't talk about drugs, because she knows I don't like to hear it.  The funny thing is that my Grandma does the same shit over the phone, talks your ear off, and all you get in is "yup, uh-huh".  She (my sister) has bitched about my grandma doing this so much, she even avoids answering the phone when it's her.  Yet as soon as I point out she's doing it, and maybe that's not a good thing, BAM! :shocked: :ooo: :crazy:


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OfflineMurex
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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Sclorch]
    #1393210 - 03/19/03 10:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I hear ya... I gotta deal with that shite, too.

Yeah, my mom does that to me everyday.

And just yesterday my grandma called up and did it to her! LOL!  :laugh:


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Killjoy]
    #1394230 - 03/20/03 06:36 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe your sister thought you were coming on to her.


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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Phluck]
    #1394237 - 03/20/03 06:38 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

But seriously...

Girls often need someone to vent to, more than guys do. Just someone to listen to them while they go over their own personal stress. To her, you were doing her a nice service, she was getting what she wanted from the conversations. She was insulted because she thinks you don't give a rat's ass about the minute details of her life, which is probably true.


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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Phluck]
    #1394334 - 03/20/03 07:06 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Whoa, you really understand women, are you gay?

j/k  :wink:





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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Evolving]
    #1394466 - 03/20/03 07:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

LOL, I say if women just need to "vent" they should talk to their girlfriends rather then bothering guys who in general don't care about little things women like to talk about. I mean its cool to listen to that stuff once in a while but damn i would go crazy listening to it everyday!


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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: chodamunky]
    #1394683 - 03/20/03 08:53 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

He he, don't get married then.


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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Evolving]
    #1395035 - 03/20/03 11:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Lol, if I was getting sex out of the deal, damned straight I'd STFU and listen with a big smile of anticipation on my face.

But she's my sister, and it's just annoying =/

I told a chick about this, and she was like "Holy fuck, that was RUDE!"
So I asked her how she would go about bringing it up, and she said that the way I did it was probably the only way that would work at all, and that at least I tried to be nice about it. =)


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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: Killjoy]
    #1395608 - 03/20/03 03:51 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i'd say good for you, your not being an asshole.
i like knowing the truth about things, even if it isn't always nice.


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Re: Ho-leh shit, people HATE the messanger of truth. [Re: soylent_green]
    #1395664 - 03/20/03 04:19 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

seems to me that you can take two possible routes:

1) say, "fuck you all" and just do what pleases you, including telling people what you think is the truth

2) realize how the creature that you're dealing with works and bend yourself to synthesize with its thougth patterns

the former is to coexist and tolerate

the latter is to coexist and augment that coexistance


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