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i might start my own online herbal shop
    #13915029 - 02/06/11 10:08 AM (13 years, 19 days ago)

granted this plan is still in the works, but i was chatting with a good friend about it and it could go down.

something like: "salomonslittleshop"

it would start out as a small operation; just as a test for the waters, ya know. i could probably become a shroomery sponsor (to get some publicity if this actually happens.).


but here's the basic idea, we would be buying a couple acers of land, probably somewhere out in the PNW, and start a couple green houses. both he and i have experience in horticulture, and plus he has worked at a local green house for years.

all legal stuff, of course

products would include: various plants and herbs (dried material, cuttings, seeds, and live plants/ seedlings), entheogens, smoke blends, extracts, smoking pipes (hand made glass and wooden pipes for tobacco and herbal smokes), and possibly some of the JWH compounds, and other incenses.


also, this might be a question for the MYC forum (***note to mods: if i don't get good feedback on this part, I'll just start a new thread just regarding this over there. you don't have to move it.**) , but i need to know if it's possible to cultivate any of the (psychoactive) Amanita species. i am aware that you can't just PF Tek them, as of the bind with conifers and few other deciduous trees. however i would have a few acers of land, likin to a small pine forrest (or what have you), as an area heavily fenced off from disturbance (and treated for pest control) in which to work with. it would be my own private amanita forrest.

of course, this is just optimism, I've no plans solely based on this as a guaranteed success. however, it i can pull it off, it will allow me to also provide various qualities of amanita products, like extract, on a large scale.



but anyways, I'll make a poll. no STAL, because this is serious business:crankey:
does this sound like a good idea?
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would you buy from my shop?
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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: Salomon]
    #13915051 - 02/06/11 10:14 AM (13 years, 19 days ago)

I'll buy from you, I'll always support my brothers. Having a few acres of land in a pine forest with a bunch of greenhouses sound like my dream. That's the best life I can think of. Good luck!


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13915240 - 02/06/11 11:16 AM (13 years, 19 days ago)



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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: Salomon]
    #13915289 - 02/06/11 11:29 AM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Aparently I'm not good enough for you. I'll take my business elsewhere!
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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13915403 - 02/06/11 11:55 AM (13 years, 19 days ago)

i'd buy from you if you stocked jwh compunds that were legal in kansas.


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13915540 - 02/06/11 12:21 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

:tongue:
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bryguy27007 said:
Aparently I'm not good enough for you. I'll take my business elsewhere!
:crankey:





nah dude, you're an really cool guy, and i appreciate you as a person and potential customer:salmon:.



realistically, I'm going to be starting off small with a limited stock of a smaller variety.  it would be silly to invest a ton into a project that has little profit.


but it's looking like a 75% chance that this is going to happen. depending on how this season goes, my shop should be up and running by either late 2011 or early 2012. by then I'll have enough stock to run the pilot site. then based on a customer response, that'll be the deciding factor on whether or not it gets continued into a full scale operation.


so by this time in 2013, i can have a legitimate business going.


really, i have nothing to loose other than the cost of the: growing supplies, website, PO box, and my time.

even if i get poor business and it doesn't work out, I'll still have a surplus of smoke blends, entheogens, and thangs.:feelsgoodman:



BTW, based on the polls it's lookin good. although apparently i'm a fag


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: Salomon]
    #13921293 - 02/07/11 02:34 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

:lol:
I was just messing around.

Of course I'd support the store, keep me updated.


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13921313 - 02/07/11 02:37 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

TBH, I'll buy from whoever has decent service and the one of the lowest prices.


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #13921324 - 02/07/11 02:38 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

Personally, I wouldn't mind paying an extra 5 or so bucks if it was going to a Shroomerite.


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: Salomon]
    #13921350 - 02/07/11 02:41 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

My advice is be very very careful.

I ran a herb shop and so did one of my friends.  They will pull laws out of their ass that you've never heard of to fuck you over.

My friend ended up in crown court on some public health law.  My shop got fucked over by customs and payment companies.  We had 3 grand stolen by rogue payment companies that claimed I broke their T&C for selling herbs.  Customs stole half my stock and destroyed it in an attempt to put us out of business.

Not to put a downer on it but it can end u[p being a lot more trouble than you think.  Make sure you get a LTD company and get water tight terms and conditions + get a dam good lawyer.


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13921362 - 02/07/11 02:43 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

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Personally, I wouldn't mind paying an extra 5 or so bucks if it was going to a Shroomerite.




Especially one that is more local to me, in the PNW area.


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: Salomon]
    #13921376 - 02/07/11 02:45 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

I'd buy from you for sure :awebig:

It would be much preferable to purchase such a class of goods from a local shroomerite
Your business would take place on the internet I assume, no physical store or anything?


I do hope you'll be carrying some MHRB :thumbup:


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: 4runner]
    #13921440 - 02/07/11 02:56 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

Sounds like a good idea to me. I would advise to avoid the JWH blends, and cathinone bath salts.

In fact, I'd advise against stocking anything in your store that is apt to bring attention due to ongoing controversies.
Trichocereus cacti is even starting to get more attention.


I would pretty much avoid all dried ethnobotanicals, except for those with medicinal value.
Selling recreational substances will certainly draw unwanted attention.


Me and a friend actually have plans to start something very similar, except we would like to specialize in exotic succulents, and other rare botanicals.
We would like to include entheogens and herbalism as a part of our company, but unfortunately the entheogenic community has very little credibility in our society. Hopefully that changes soon.

If you include pipes, people are going to instantly associate your shop with cannabis culture, which could potentially drive away a lot of horticulture and botany hobbyists who don't care for the association.
Not to say that this is entirely a bad thing, but that you should certainly keep it in mind.

*EDIT: I would definitely buy from you though.


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #13921449 - 02/07/11 02:57 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

Being self employed is a critical key to being a millionaire.

Keep up that great attitude!


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: Patlal]
    #13921471 - 02/07/11 03:00 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

You may want to look into starting your company out as a supplier to botanical gardens, greenhouses, and retail stores.
It's a much more stable business, and is a lot easier to get started (especially with friends in the business).

Maybe look into creating a retail store as an expansion once you get the business on its feet.
Starting out as a supplier will give you a little more stability in case the retail side isn't going so hot.


*EDIT: I completely missed that your herbal shop was going to be online, which changes your situation quite a bit :lol:


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: Salomon]
    #13922282 - 02/07/11 05:25 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

OP:

Okay, I haven't voted in the poll because I think the options you give are far too black and white. I will give a couple comments, though...

What you describe does not sound like a "small" operation.

If you are going to grow your own stuff, then hopefully there is experience growing some of the specific entheogens, or similar plants (or at least that their knowledge base is adaptable enough for a SUCCESSFUL harrvest.) Not only will you need to yield enough product to make it worthwhile, but in the case of many enthobotanicals, you will have to make sure the end products contain all the proper amounts of all the traditional components, if you follow...

customers find out you have a bunk crop of something, they won't be likely to come back, and maybe that was just a freak accident...

For that reason, and many others, sourcing products from other growers or wholesalers to start may be a safer way to build your business. In the long run, being able to produce your own product SHOULD give you more profit, if you do it right. But until you build a customer base, you're just going to be pissing cash.

Also heed the advice about becoming incorporated and seeking legal counsel.


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #13922299 - 02/07/11 05:27 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

I WANT SHROOMERY DISCOUNT.
But I'd still rather buy from a real shroomerite than some random buisness, so :thumbup:


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #13922305 - 02/07/11 05:28 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

Oh and for the record I'm always looking for new Jdub suppliers, but I have some good hookups with good prices, so you'd have to beat that.

I get that stuff for economic reasons. :shrug: Usually at least several g's at a time, if I'm not broke.

However, if you can buy kilos (or at least close to it) you can still sell it pretty cheap and still turn a profit.


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: 4runner]
    #13923415 - 02/07/11 07:51 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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My advice is be very very careful.

I ran a herb shop and so did one of my friends.  They will pull laws out of their ass that you've never heard of to fuck you over.

My friend ended up in crown court on some public health law.  My shop got fucked over by customs and payment companies.  We had 3 grand stolen by rogue payment companies that claimed I broke their T&C for selling herbs.  Customs stole half my stock and destroyed it in an attempt to put us out of business.

Not to put a downer on it but it can end u[p being a lot more trouble than you think.  Make sure you get a LTD company and get water tight terms and conditions + get a dam good lawyer.




damn man that :feelsbadman:

if you can, can you tell me what products they seized? it'd be good to know what holds a higher risk.



and yea I'll be sure to get the tightest legal seal that i can acquire.




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I'd buy from you for sure :awebig:

It would be much preferable to purchase such a class of goods from a local shroomerite
Your business would take place on the internet I assume, no physical store or anything?


I do hope you'll be carrying some MHRB :thumbup:





yup it's gonna be all done over the web, the only physical aspect will be my base of operations.


and about MHRB, i probably won't start off with it but it's on my aspiring future product list.



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Sounds like a good idea to me. I would advise to avoid the JWH blends, and cathinone bath salts.

In fact, I'd advise against stocking anything in your store that is apt to bring attention due to ongoing controversies.
Trichocereus cacti is even starting to get more attention.


I would pretty much avoid all dried ethnobotanicals, except for those with medicinal value.
Selling recreational substances will certainly draw unwanted attention.


Me and a friend actually have plans to start something very similar, except we would like to specialize in exotic succulents, and other rare botanicals.
We would like to include entheogens and herbalism as a part of our company, but unfortunately the entheogenic community has very little credibility in our society. Hopefully that changes soon.

If you include pipes, people are going to instantly associate your shop with cannabis culture, which could potentially drive away a lot of horticulture and botany hobbyists who don't care for the association.
Not to say that this is entirely a bad thing, but that you should certainly keep it in mind.

*EDIT: I would definitely buy from you though.





i'm going for more of a "natural" theme, so bath salts are unlikely. as for JWH blends, i might make an exception (only selling compounds to where they're legal) but we'll see.

also, everything in stock would be dried products, so i guess I'll have to be selective.

and it shouldn't draw too much attention if i include pipes because there's going to be a variety of herbal smoke blends. nothing other than what you might find in a green house.



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OP:

Okay, I haven't voted in the poll because I think the options you give are far too black and white. I will give a couple comments, though...

What you describe does not sound like a "small" operation.

If you are going to grow your own stuff, then hopefully there is experience growing some of the specific entheogens, or similar plants (or at least that their knowledge base is adaptable enough for a SUCCESSFUL harrvest.) Not only will you need to yield enough product to make it worthwhile, but in the case of many enthobotanicals, you will have to make sure the end products contain all the proper amounts of all the traditional components, if you follow...

customers find out you have a bunk crop of something, they won't be likely to come back, and maybe that was just a freak accident...

For that reason, and many others, sourcing products from other growers or wholesalers to start may be a safer way to build your business. In the long run, being able to produce your own product SHOULD give you more profit, if you do it right. But until you build a customer base, you're just going to be pissing cash.

Also heed the advice about becoming incorporated and seeking legal counsel.




oh yea man, we've got a collective experience in horticulture. all products that we produce ourselves are going to only be quality, i'm not one to fuck with my own creations. and if there's any extracts they're going to be from natural means. the only way i could see anybody getting anything bunk is if i source it non locally and even if i get bunk from one of those, i'd feel like a dick passing it on. from a business perspective, i would only use bunk for resale if the act of not doing so would financially break my entire operation. but it's not going to happen because i'm just plain old NOT going to fuck with any company that i can't say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is a legitimate business with a legitimate product. it's simply not worth the financial risk, let alone the reputation of my establishment. so in short, no i'm not going to be selling bunk anything.

plus, i'm going to be personally sampling everything myself before it's available for sale, and i'm going to try to keep most of the products locally produced.

but it IS going to start small because like you said, it's stupid to make investments with out a customer base from which to both break even and make a profit.

the pilot site will have a limited stock, and it'll build up from there based on sale revenue.


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damian1122 said:
I WANT SHROOMERY DISCOUNT.
But I'd still rather buy from a real shroomerite than some random business, so :thumbup:




when it first starts out, i'm going to have to put everything at full for everybody. but if shit really gets going in the right direction, then you bet your ass there's going to be a shroomery discount. i gotta build the plane and get it to fly before i can give out free peanuts:tongue:

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Oh and for the record I'm always looking for new Jdub suppliers, but I have some good hookups with good prices, so you'd have to beat that.

I get that stuff for economic reasons. :shrug: Usually at least several g's at a time, if I'm not broke.

However, if you can buy kilos (or at least close to it) you can still sell it pretty cheap and still turn a profit.




i'm going to be checking out all of the vendor i can to establish a reasonable price range, but realistically, i'm just not going to have resources to match the prices of other places. not until i can get stock in bulk atleast :tongue:

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Personally, I wouldn't mind paying an extra 5 or so bucks if it was going to a Shroomerite.




Especially one that is more local to me, in the PNW area.




i'm not in the PNW yet, that won't be happening until unless i'm successful with the pilot site.


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Re: i might start my own online herbal shop [Re: Salomon]
    #13923681 - 02/07/11 08:27 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

If you can afford half the business stuff you describe it's inconceivable how you can't afford bulk JWH.

Also, if you are buying anything less than 100 grams or so domestic, you won't be able to get it at a re-saleable price.

You might be able to get 1/2 to 1 kg for the price you would pay to buy a couple hundred grams off of someone domestic.

You do get a little more security  for crossing less borders (and paying more) BUT... you will always get a better discount if you get a bigger package. (Sometimes to the point where it is almost not worth it to get the smaller package, but VERY worth it to get the next size up)

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