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ATLien
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Where does Amanita Muscaria grow?
#1391888 - 03/19/03 01:29 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used to live near this piece of land that had a large lake, and on the dam there was always dead rotting leaves and moist ground. During the fall, I would always find shitloads of really bright red caps with small white freckles and bleached white stems/gills.
I'm thinking about going back to find some, but I wanna know if it's even worth my time... where do these things grow?
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1392019 - 03/19/03 02:13 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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WE'RE AT WAR AND YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT MUSHROOMS, WTF!!!!?????!!!!?????
haha... just kidding
They're a very seasonal mushrooms from what I've found. I've got a patch of A. muscaria that only fruits in October, so my guess would be that you won't find anything now :\
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1392274 - 03/19/03 03:28 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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i heard alot grow in washington, maybe you could go there...
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1392378 - 03/19/03 04:03 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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It depends on the area. They fruit mostly from late summer into fall. They are mycorrhizal with a number of species of trees (particularly pine, spruce, fir, birch, and aspen), and often occur in large numbers near the edge of clearings. I have also found them in large fairy rings in the forest.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1392616 - 03/19/03 05:13 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where I live in CA, they only fruit in the fall and early winter. They usually are growing around pine trees...and yes, they will fruit in large numbers.
By far one of the most beautiful mushrooms Ive ever seen
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ATLien
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: angryshroom]
#1393134 - 03/19/03 08:01 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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These were at the edge of clearings in the fall. I will produce pictures later this year when they pop up again...
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1393908 - 03/20/03 02:48 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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From my library
Click on each image to enlarge to a beautiful photograph of Amanitra muscaria by mushroom john
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MushMushi
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: mjshroomer]
#1394104 - 03/20/03 03:45 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awwww.... So cute
Ohh... I have a question about Amanitas and other mycorrhizal mushrooms. How do their spores germinate? Does it absolutely need a "partner" for its mycelium to grow?
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1394294 - 03/20/03 04:55 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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They grow abso-fucking-lutely everywhere around here in the fall. Look under conifers.
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ATLien
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: no-tone]
#1394599 - 03/20/03 06:31 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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The ones I always find barely have any white spots on them. Most of them are REALLY small, and just have bright reddish orange caps. I have found a few big ones though. Found one last year that was almost the size of my head.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1394608 - 03/20/03 06:34 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's one w/o any warts that I found the past fall.
(Notice that they have all fallen off and are surrounding the base of the stem)
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ToxicMan
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: MushMushi]
#1394816 - 03/20/03 07:51 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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The spores of Amanitas germinate in the same way as the spores of any other fungi do.
In order for it to fruit there has to be the merging of two compatible mycelia. One way to think of it is that in mushrooms, sexual reproduction (joining of "gametes") occurs in the organism after birth. The spores each contain only half the chromosomes needed for a full set.
If you have a mycelium which is formed from only one spore, you have a mold. Molds are asexual fungi. They are, of course, capable of reproduction, but only asexually.
That's the simplified version. Try reading The Fifth Kingdom by Bryce Kendrick for the details.
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MushMushi
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ToxicMan]
#1395187 - 03/20/03 10:25 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Uhh... I wanted to know if one could germinate the spores, for example, without trying to make it fruit.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ToxicMan]
#1395227 - 03/20/03 10:36 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
The spores each contain only half the chromosomes needed for a full set.
In fungi, there isn't really such thing as a full set. Its more just like enuf to fruit. Its unlike humans in that it can have more than just 2 sets of genetic info (for example, 3 or 4). Quote:
If you have a mycelium which is formed from only one spore, you have a mold.
If you have mycelium formed by one spore it is called haploid (half needed for meiosis) uninucleate (one nucleus per cell). Moulds are of the Phylum Zygomycota. Quote:
Molds are asexual fungi. They are, of course, capable of reproduction, but only asexually.
Moulds are capable of sexual reproduction, just as almost every fungi is (the one exception I know of is the leaf-cutter's cultivated species, and then who knows?). That's one of the main characters of fungi, the ability to repruduce by fragmentation, budding or sexually.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: MushMushi]
#1395253 - 03/20/03 10:47 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
I wanted to know if one could germinate the spores, for example, without trying to make it fruit.
Yes you could. Whether they would survive more than a few days without meeting a host is another story.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: no-tone]
#1395600 - 03/20/03 01:48 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hum..I'm wondering if I would have enough time to prepare a liquid inoculum and spray it near some trees...
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: MushMushi]
#1395609 - 03/20/03 01:51 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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What if you just plopped a fat Fly Agaric into the blender for a few seconds. Then dig up some dirt around near the base of a pine tree and pour the inuculum all over the gashes.
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ATLien
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: angryshroom]
#1395743 - 03/20/03 02:52 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Here's one w/o any warts that I found the past fall.
(Notice that they have all fallen off and are surrounding the base of the stem)
That's exactly what they look like! Are they better if they have the warts?
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1395768 - 03/20/03 03:03 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont think it makes a difference if they have warts or not. But i am still yet to find this mushroom, i hope to find some this fall
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1395796 - 03/20/03 03:15 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, it doesn't matter.
Just make sure you indeed have found A. muscaria...They will always have a membranous veil, bulbous stem, white gills and a white sporeprint. I think the stems are hollow..
Also, these mushrooms are usually pretty large.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1395849 - 03/20/03 03:35 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's probably worth noting that if I saw a mushroom that looked like that at a distance (smooth red cap and white stem) I would say that the odds are that it's a red Russula. So if you're not familiar with those then you should probably read up on them. None of them are active, some are edible, and some are poisonous. They are very difficult to identify accurately to species.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ToxicMan]
#1396717 - 03/21/03 12:46 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have never seen A. muscaria var. muscaria (red cap) here. Up here we only get the var. formosa (yellow-orange).
I thought var muscaria were mostly in Europe.
You may be looking for the wrong colour cap. Be careful though, it can be confused with 'yellow patches' and 'blushing amanita' (both of these are inedible/poisonous)
Yeah, I found a A. muscaria last year that had a cap diameter of ~1 ft. They usually are big mushrooms as opposed to the yellow patches which is smaller.
Also, be careful when you are identifying species. You want fresh specimens. Often with age, their colours fade or they change in some way to make it difficult to i.d.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: no-tone]
#1396949 - 03/21/03 02:45 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here in Colorado the varieties muscaria and flavivolvata are by far the more common kinds. And they are very common here. In an average year you could pick them by the bushel. We do also have variety formosa, but it is relatively rare.
Amanita flavoconia is not recorded from Colorado, and Amanita rubescens is fairly rare. On the other hand, Amanita pantherina is very common and it is frequently mistaken for Amanita muscaria var. formosa. There are also a couple unnamed species which Dr. Tulloss is working on which could be mistaken for a formosa.
My comment was only to the effect that a smooth, red-capped mushroom with a white stem on the ground under trees is probably more likely to be a Russula than an Amanita with the warts washed off. Once you get anywhere near them the differences are obvious. Here, by the time they're old enough to wash the warts off Amanitas are generally faded in color and aren't so nicely red.
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In fungi, there isn't really such thing as a full set. Its more just like enuf to fruit. Its unlike humans in that it can have more than just 2 sets of genetic info (for example, 3 or 4).
You're correct. I did state that I was giving the simplified version. The difference I was referring to was the difference between the anamorph and teleomorph.
If you have mycelium formed by one spore it is called haploid (half needed for meiosis) uninucleate (one nucleus per cell).
Moulds are of the Phylum Zygomycota.
Moulds, according to Dr. Kendrick, are usually zygomycetes or hyphomycetes. He specifically includes the anamorphs of dikaryomycetes as moulds. While the anamorphs of basidiomycetes (such as Amanita) are usually monokaryotic, they can remain in an anamorphic state while dikaryotic. I'll admit that I generally think of the anamorphs as being monokaryotic, even though this is incorrect.
Moulds are capable of sexual reproduction, just as almost every fungi is (the one exception I know of is the leaf-cutter's cultivated species, and then who knows?).
That's one of the main characters of fungi, the ability to repruduce by fragmentation, budding or sexually.
The zygomycetes certainly reproduce in those ways. But the anamorphs of dikaryomycetes reproduce only asexually. They require a second nucleus to enter their dikaryophase and form a teleomorph. This was the main thing I was attempting to convey, albeit imprecisely.
To confuse things even more, the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature allows different binomials for the anamorph and teleomorph of the same organism.
I think the main problem is that I was using an over-simplified description of a fairly technical topic. But thank you for catching it.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#1400103 - 03/22/03 07:33 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I find Amanita Muscaria under introduced pine trees all around Australia. Here is a find near Sydney Australia.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: MagicRooms]
#1450534 - 04/11/03 05:34 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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How do u prepare them to eat, the same way as normal shrooms?
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: dogwithcat]
#1450624 - 04/11/03 06:24 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dress them up AND GIVE THEM A KNIFE AND A FORK AND A PIECE OF WHITE MEAT, hUMAN MEAT THEY REALLY LOVE.
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: ATLien]
#15879512 - 02/29/12 02:08 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think i jus found two caps...lots of longleaf pine here... had a question ...i know that psilocybin shrooms can't be smoked.. was wonderin when these amanita caps are dry...if smoking is useless?
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Gumby
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Re: Where does Amanita Muscaria grow? [Re: crazysquirrel]
#15879932 - 02/29/12 06:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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The last reply to this thread was almost 9 years ago. Are you serious right now?
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