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curious mouse said:
there are most certainly collective needs...the need for security, stability, and a functioning economy.

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But maybe I don't care about that crap. And, if I don't care, what's my motivation to care about the common good?

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Not being a sociopath, thats one reason to care about other people. If you want to remain selfish then you could realize that your prosperity is the product of billions of people both currently and throughout history working to develop the technology and culture which enables people like you to get on the internet and espouse the virtues of selfishness. You could live alone without a single thing given to you by society, naked in the wild with no knowledge, and you wouldn't last a week.

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1.  Society doesn't give provide anything.  People do
2.  The vast majority of people have never contributed anything to the betterment of the human condition.  Not a single fucking thing.
3.  Every technological advancement has come as a result of special individuals, not the retarded grunts who grow their food or mow their lawns
4.  The single biggest motivator for any one of these people to contribute to the betterment of the human condition is their desire to better their own condition.  Why shouldn't they be rewarded.

If that's selfish what do you call the desire for people who contribute fuck all to be taken care of by people who do all?

The Kollektif must be subordinate to the individual.  The alternative is slavery and authoritarianism.

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If all the low wage earners were to disappear, YOU would not have your cushy little world filled with luxury and comfort, you know that don't you?

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If all the low wage earners were to disappear, YOU would not have your cushy little world filled with luxury and comfort, you know that don't you?

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And if all the people who pay them for their work would dissapear, these people wouldn't work anymore. What's your point?

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If all the low wage earners were to disappear, YOU would not have your cushy little world filled with luxury and comfort, you know that don't you?

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And if all the people who pay them for their work would dissapear, these people wouldn't work anymore. What's your point?

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People worked, lived and played long before "bosses" were invented.  What's YOUR point?

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It never ends with her.  She simply cannot grasp the fact that most people are easily replaceable, untalented, unintelligent and unwilling to put in the hard work necessary to make themselves special in some way.  Almost anybody can dig a ditch.  Almost nobody can play professional baseball.  Therein lies the problem.  Most people cannot accept the fact that they are completely ordinary, at best, and aren't really being helped much by being told that everybody is special.  Schools and parents who give awards for participating instead of excelling.  Sad really.  At least there remains a certain level of meritocracy in business.  Not perfect but better than in anything else except professional sports.

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I received plenty of awards when I was in medical research, at both a fortune 500 pharmaceutical company and for the Food and Drug Administration.

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It is also ironic that someone who claims to be a multi millionaire is so unsatisfied.  That confirms for me that money does not bring satisfaction.

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It is also ironic that someone who claims to be a multi millionaire is so unsatisfied.  That confirms for me that money does not bring satisfaction.

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If it wasn't for people who grow food, YOU wouldn't eat. 

Sure the inventors and scientists should be rewarded, but your definition of a reward is to receive millions of dollars a year more than the person who pick your tomatoes, and I don't think they are worth that many times more.

Part of bettering the human condition is finding ways for us all to get along better.  If more people could recognize that the vegetable pickers, the janitors, the ditch diggers, the child care workers, the CNAS, etc. all are worthy people who deserve at least a simple living, the world would be a better place.  If all the low wage earners were to disappear, YOU would not have your cushy little world filled with luxury and comfort, you know that don't you?  Do you think Bill Gates himself is going to personally assemble your next high speed computer?  Do you think a millionaire is going to change your sheets and bathe you if you end up in a nursing home?

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It will probably go something like this:

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It is also ironic that someone who claims to be a multi millionaire is so unsatisfied.  That confirms for me that money does not bring satisfaction.

You continue to amaze me.  Just because some people who are rich are not happy does not mean that money does not bring satisfaction.  I'm very satisfied with my money.  I mean compared to the alternative.  Were I to get another 20 million I would be even more satisfied and I'm sure it would increase my enjoyment of life.  All wealth is on a continuum.  You would be considered rich by most standards in the world. Any your constant whining and complaining about those who have more shows to me your vise like attachment to money. And it's not making you very happy.  I suggest leaving the farm and living  naked in the wild.  (Send photos)

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People say money doesn't buy happiness. Except, according to a new study from Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School, it sort of does — up to about $75,000 a year. The lower a person's annual income falls below that benchmark, the unhappier he or she feels. But no matter how much more than $75,000 people make, they don't report any greater degree of happiness.

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Emma Goldman wrote in criticism of individualism:

‘Rugged individualism’ has meant all the ‘individualism’ for the masters, while the people are regimented into a slave caste to serve a handful of self-seeking ‘supermen.’…Their ‘rugged individualism’ is simply one of the many pretenses the ruling class makes to mask unbridled business and political extortion.”

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It is also ironic that someone who claims to be a multi millionaire is so unsatisfied.  That confirms for me that money does not bring satisfaction.

You continue to amaze me.  Just because some people who are rich are not happy does not mean that money does not bring satisfaction.  I'm very satisfied with my money.  I mean compared to the alternative.  Were I to get another 20 million I would be even more satisfied and I'm sure it would increase my enjoyment of life.  All wealth is on a continuum.  You would be considered rich by most standards in the world. Any your constant whining and complaining about those who have more shows to me your vise like attachment to money. And it's not making you very happy.  I suggest leaving the farm and living  naked in the wild.  (Send photos)

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