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And the Good News is...
    #1390961 - 03/19/03 10:31 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Senate rejects oil drilling in Alaska wildlife refuge
Defeat for White House

WASHINGTON (AP) --The Senate on Wednesday narrowly rejected oil drilling in an Alaska wildlife refuge, rebuffing the Bush administration on a top energy goal it had hoped to win with a wartime security appeal.

Despite intense lobbying by pro-drilling senators and the White House in the hours leading up to the vote, Democrats mustered the support needed to remove a drilling provision from a budget resolution expected to be approved later this week.

An amendment offered by Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, to strip away the provision passed 52-48.

Development of the millions of barrels of oil beneath the 100-mile coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in northeastern Alaska has been a key part of President Bush's energy plan. Environmentalists contended drilling there would jeopardize a pristine area valued for its wildlife.

All but five Democrats voted against refuge drilling. There were eight Republicans who joined the Democrats in favor of barring oil companies from the refuge.

With one or two senators holding the balance, both sides stepped up their lobbying to try to sway anyone thinking of shifting. Freshman Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minnesota, under intense pressure, signaled he might vote in favor of drilling. But in the end, Coleman, who succeed the late Sen. Paul Wellstone, an ardent opponent of drilling, sided with the Democrats.

Drilling supporters failed last year to open the refuge to the oil industry because they couldn't get 60 votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster in the Senate, although the House approved oil development.

This year, Republicans made the measure part of a budget resolution, which is not subject to filibuster, forcing Democrats and a handful of anti-drilling GOP senators, to try to strip the provision from the budget document.

Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, argued that Congress in 1980 made a commitment that the oil beneath the coastal plain -- part of a 19-million-acre refuge -- eventually would be tapped.

Stevens and other drilling supporters also said that with government-imposed restrictions and the use of modern technology the oil could be pumped without harming the coastal plain's wildlife. "We're not using a lot of land," said Stevens, maintaining that the "footprint" left by the oil wells would be less than 2,000 acres.

Environmental concerns
But environmentalists countered that the footprint would be scattered over 1.5 million acres of coastal tundra, disturbing polar bears in their dens, affecting calving grounds for caribou and interfering with millions of migratory birds that swoop down on the plain each summer.

In the hours before the vote, the White House stepped up pressure on Republicans who might be wavering.

With war looming in Iraq, proponents of pumping the oil in the refuge have focused on energy security, arguing the ANWR oil would help America reduce its reliance on precarious foreign supplies. It's the largest untapped reserve of oil in North America, declared Stevens.

Sen. Pete Domenici, R-New Mexico, said lawmakers must not "throw away" the refuge's oil. "It's almost impossible to prove that ANWR will be damaged" by development he said.

Democrats disagreed, arguing the refuge's oil was not nearly enough to significantly impact imports.

"While endangering one of the most pristine areas in the world, drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge would do nothing to make our country more energy independent," said Democratic leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota. He said none of the oil would flow out of the refuge for 10 years.

Boxer argued that the United States could save more oil than the refuge would produce "by just getting the SUVs to have the same fuel economy as autos."

"This is a national treasure," said Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, one of the Democrats who successfully blocked attempts to lift the drilling ban last year. "God only gave us 3 percent of the world's oil. The Middle East has about 65 percent ... and a 2 percent difference for the destruction of the wilderness does not solve America's problem."

How much oil is beneath the refuge's coastal plain is uncertain because only one exploratory well has been drilled and its results have not been made public. The Interior Department estimates that the plain could have anywhere from 5.7 billion barrels to 16 billion barrels.

Environmentalists argue that much less oil than that -- no more than about 3.2 billion barrels -- is likely to be useful for oil companies to pursue. Major oil companies, in fact, have begun to lose interest in the refuge.

The United States uses about 20 million barrels of oil a day.

Democrats who voted against Boxer's amendment were John Breaux and Mary Landrieu, both of Louisiana; Daniel Akaka and Daniel Inouye, both of Hawaii, and Zell Miller of Georgia. All five had voted in favor of drilling last year as well.

The eight Republicans who voted against oil development were Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, both of Maine; Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island; Gordon Smith of Oregon; Mike DeWine of Ohio; Peter Fitzgerald of Illinois; John McCain of Arizona, and Coleman.




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Re: And the Good News is... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1390967 - 03/19/03 10:33 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

I think they figure, we don't need it anymore since we're gonna own Iraq in a few weeks.


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Re: And the Good News is... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1390985 - 03/19/03 10:37 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Helllll Yessss!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

That is GREAT news... fucking idiots though.. 48 wanted to drill there... fuck them.


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Re: And the Good News is... [Re: angryshroom]
    #1390989 - 03/19/03 10:40 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

What is the problem with drilling in that frozen wasteland?
Obviously enviromental protection should be taken, but the continued existance of the scarce local wildlife should not be a problem.


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Re: And the Good News is... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1391009 - 03/19/03 10:45 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

double post


Edited by angryshroom (03/19/03 10:46 AM)


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Re: And the Good News is... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1391013 - 03/19/03 10:46 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Were did you find this btw?

Im a member of the NRDC, and they didn't send me a notice of this happening... hmm..


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    #1391028 - 03/19/03 10:48 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

"Frozen wasteland"

Sorry man, its not a frozen wasteland. This is a perfect example on how the government uses the general publics ignorance to do things they want to do.

Its a beautiful area, where many species of animals and delicate ecosystems have evolved over thousands of years without mans intervention.


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Re: And the Good News is... [Re: angryshroom]
    #1391049 - 03/19/03 10:54 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Don?t Book to ANWR
A devastating picture, courtesy of Jonah Goldberg.

July 24, 2001 12:50 p.m.



ood, honest, fullthroated indignation is nice to come on every now and then, and here is a sample. The provocation was by President Jimmy Carter, writing in the New York Times. He was pleading against any oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve (ANWR). What he said was, "The simple fact is, drilling is inherently incompatible with wilderness. The roar alone ? of road building, trucks, drilling, and generators ? would pollute the wild music of the Arctic, and be as out of place there as it would be in the heart of Yellowstone or the Grand Canyon."

That really did it for Jonah Goldberg, who had recently returned from the area in Alaska about which Mr. Carter was being poetic. "This sort of distortion," he writes in the current issue of National Review (and references in the Goldberg File), "is rampant . . . Never mind that all of that harmless noise pollution would occur in pitch darkness, drowned out by a 120-degree-below-zero wind chill. Even Jimmy Carter should know that music is like trees falling in the forest: It's only music if there's somebody there to hear it."

It is a devastating picture that Mr. Goldberg brings back from his trip. The sum of his case is that prospective oil drilling in Alaska could be done without any damage to live sensibilities. What are the reasons for the offensive against it? Let him tell it: "There's a simple explanation and a complicated one. The simple one is that it could be bad for the Porcupine River caribou herd . . . The more complicated explanation is that this is all a convenient and bogus cover for the simple fact that Americans generally ? and environmentalists like [Ted] Turner specifically ? are more than a little daft when it comes to ANWR."

Goldberg begins his informative dispatch with some graphic figures. The oil development on the North Slope dots a huge area, roughly the size of Minnesota. But the work is done on a comparatively tiny archipelago of "parking-lot-sized islands of human activity in a boundless ocean of tundra."

To get a perspective: Alaska has a population about the size of the nation's capital. But you could squeeze California into Alaska almost four times. Those who fear that Alaska is neglected in the matter of federal wildlife preservation are reminded that 60 percent of the official wilderness areas of the United States are in Alaska. ANWR is way over on the northeastern side of the state, about the size of South Carolina. What the oil industry is asking for is access to 2,000 acres, an area no bigger than Dulles Airport. "This footprint would be 50 times smaller than the Montana ranch owned by Ted Turner, who helps bankroll efforts to keep ANWR off-limits."

Goldberg makes a shrewd point when he reminds us that life can be hypothetically grand, but in order to make the sentient appreciation of it real, you need to experience the beauty. I can speak of having experienced the beauty of the South Pole, but it helped, when I did that, that it was midsummer, that a large warm igloo waited for us with food and wine, and that the naval airplane that brought us there kept its engines running, lest they freeze shut while we lunched.

What you have in the ANWAR part of the world is not just beautiful mountains, but five-months' blackness in winter, and five months' perpetual sunshine in summer, when the melted ice has produced puddles in which the enemy breeds. "The water in an old tire can breed thousands of mosquitoes; a puddle in a junkyard, millions. ANWR is the Great Kingdom of the Mosquitoes." We are not talking about mosquitoes as mere nuisances. "On a bad day, according to the villagers in nearby Nuisquit, you can't open your mouth for fear of inhaling the mosquitoes."

Yes, there certainly is wildlife, though not even wolf packs can co-exist for very long with the mosquitoes. "Grizzly bears, like caribou, aren't frightened by oil exploration. They consider Deadhorse the Paris or New York of the North Slope; they come in to see the sights, perhaps grab a little dinner, even to catch a show. Everyone has a bear story; the owner of an air-charter service recounts to me how she came out of her office one day to find three bears sitting, expectantly, atop her car, as if she were late for the car pool."

Ah, the ideologization of nature. The Prudhoe Bay drilling has been done with the most fastidious attention to derivative effects. There is no hunting, not even fishing, tolerated. "I knew a guy who got fired for throwing a rock at a fox," one exasperated former ranger is quoted as saying. Speaking of Arctic foxes, most of them are rabid. The satisfaction taken by those who swear by the blessed virginity of ANWR is felt mostly by Americans who have not been deflowered by life there.


http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckleyprint072401.html


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: And the Good News is... [Re: z@z.com]
    #1391096 - 03/19/03 11:13 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Oh man... That article made me laugh...what a bunch of crap.

The are trying to justify reasons for drilling there... saying the foxes are rabid, and there is five months darkness and five months sunshine. Just because we cant handle its extreme climate doesn't mean millions of other organisims cant.

Plus, they are saying in this article that only 2,000 acres are needed? hahahaa... Thats a good one.

Get off destroying our environment.... Lets get off of all this oil and gasoline and maybe start thinking of other means of power our cars, planes and boats. The gasoline won't be around for ever you know...we are going to run out of it sooner or later. Why not just start now, get a head start in manufacturing things which do not need to feed on gasoline... ??

Japan did it with lighter steel and cars 30 years ago... it was a sucess. Efficiency is key.

I don't understand why the US is not getting the point here... We are going to run out of oil soon, and whats going to happen to our economy? Its basically run from huge car and oil companies... it will be a huge downfall unless we start doing something about it now.

Our puny peice of shit ugly hybrid cars aren't going to cut it. No one would want to be caught dead in one of those things.


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Re: And the Good News is... [Re: angryshroom]
    #1391118 - 03/19/03 11:22 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

I truthfuly don't really care if they drill in Alaska or not. I just wanted to put an opposing idea out there and I remembered reading that article a few months back.

I agree with you that we need to find an alternate renewable energy source. Unfortuanately, I highly doubt it will really happen untill we realize "oh shit we''re almost out of oil". So it will be a while.



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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: And the Good News is... [Re: z@z.com]
    #1391270 - 03/19/03 12:07 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

Yeah, it sucks doesnt it :frown:


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    #1391526 - 03/19/03 01:31 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

the sad part is, this is temporary. over the next century, you can bet that we'll tap every last drop of oil on earth, no matter what it's under.  :frown:


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