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USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy
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So the USA is going to invade Iraq for:

1. having weapons of mass destruction even though many were supplied by the USA.

2. for harming it's own people, while the USA incarcerates record numbers of it's own people for using an herb while destroying their family and confiscating possessions.

3. failure to destroy weapons of mass destruction while not having any measurable goal of compliance.

4. for violating a UN resolution. The USA invasion of Iraq without UN approval is a MUCH larger violation of UN by-laws than Iraq's alleged violation. No plan to attack Israel for many UN resolution violations.

5. for training and harboring terrorist cells. No plan to attack Saudi Arabia even though most 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.

6. for having an oppressive dictatorial regime. No plan to attack other dictatorial regimes such as Yemen, Libya, Syria, UAE, etc.

7. because of 9/11. No link of Osama to Saddam.

8. because Iraq is a possible threat to the USA sometime in the future. Umm, so is ANY nation.

9. to get more Middle East nations to be "democratic" though we are really pissed at Turkey for taking a democratic vote not to accept our bribe.


Draining $300,000,000,000 from the USA economy to replace one aging Iraqi with another and risking the lives of our young boys is a veritable bargain. Hell, we don't need money for schools, social security or any programs to boost our sagging economy.

How will this war be paid for? By printing extra money (inflation) devaluing everything you own. Gas is NOT the only thing that will go up. Check out the price of milk and bread a year from now.

Dismantling our freedoms (the US Constitution: see Patriot I and Patriot Act II, which will NEVER be repealed as promised!) in the name of freedom, that is a good one.

All makes sense to me.



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The proof is in the pudding.

Edited by Swami (03/19/03 11:10 AM)

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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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1. I'm not sure if we actually supplied him whit these weapons before the first gulf war or not, but the point is that he still has them despite his agreement to get rid of them.

2. Just or not the people in the USA who use drugs (i'm one of them btw) are knowingly breaking a law. That is different from slaughtering kurds for no reason.

3. Yes.

4. The problem is that when they made that agreement with the UN the USA was a party to it. It was just like us making an agreement with them using the UN name. Now that the UN has shown itself to have no backbone we have to go in and clean up the mess.

5. No response

6. Yet.

7. No rock solid link that we know of.

8. They are afraid that Saddam may give chemical/biological/radiological weapons to terrorists to use against the USA.

9. I haven't heard that reason before.

"Draining $300,000,000,000 form the USA economy to replace one aging Iraqi with another and risking the lives of our young boys is a veritable bargain. Hell, we don't need money for shcools, social security or any programs to boost our sagging economy."

Don't forget that war creates jobs. Not just in the military, but in the industrial markets as well. Also the schools and social security don't need more money. They need reform.


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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We will not just print more money to pay for this. That doesn't work.
BTW I agree with you about the patriot act.


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: z@z.com]
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War creates jobs. Oh, is that why I probably won't be able to get a job when I graduate in May? Lana posted a link yesterday to an article in USA Today about how many companies are going to pull advertising when the war begins. As a advertising/design major, that worries me a little. Although, I suppose I could always create war propaganda for a living...

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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: adrug]
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I dont jump at the idea of the USA "liberating" another country.

Americans don't practice what they preach.


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Edited by pattern (03/19/03 08:42 AM)

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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: z@z.com]
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2. Just or not the people in the USA who use drugs (i'm one of them btw) are knowingly breaking a law. That is different from slaughtering kurds for no reason.



The kurds, I will point out where not slaughtered for no reason, they where rebelling, and i would not be surprised if an american rebellion occured, rebels might face similar fates (deathy) depending on how dedicated they are to their cause. Also, there is sufficient evidence that supports the idea that iran slaughtered the Kurds while Iraq may have only used mustard gas, which can cause death, but usually doesn't.

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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: z@z.com]
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Don't forget that war creates jobs. Not just in the military, but in the industrial markets as well


Please explain where the money will come from to pay for these jobs that the war creates. Please explain how taking this money from from other enterprises will not adversely affect jobs in other areas of the economy.

You are operating under a common economic misconception known as 'The Broken Window Fallacy.' You are ignoring the negative effects while only focusing on the what you consider to be positive effects. Money used for weapons and war is money that is not available for education, medicine, food, housing and various other enterprises. War is about destruction of property and destroying value, whereas most other areas of economic activity involve some sort of creation of goods or services.


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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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Uh, we arn't breaking any U.N. laws by going into Iraq.


By the U.N. not forcing Iraq to comply it has shown itself to be just as weak as the League of nations was pior to WW2


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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: z@z.com]
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We will not just print more money to pay for this. That doesn't work.


Have you ever heard of the Federal Reserve or The Treasury Department?

Do you know the term 'money supply?'

More money may be printed or it can be created electronically, the effect is the same. It increases the money supply, thereby decreasing the value of money already held. The main beneficiaries of such moves are governments and central banks - whoever first has possession of the newly created money. This is called monetary inflation, eventually this leads to a rise in prices - what most people think of as 'inflation.' What do you mean it doesn't work? It works, to the detriment of anyone holding money at the time new money is created. Monetary inflation is an insidious tax that hits everyone, the poor person sees his money depreciate in value the same percentage as the wealthy.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: z@z.com]
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1. I'm not sure if we actually supplied him whit these weapons before the first gulf war or not, but the point is that he still has them despite his agreement to get rid of them.




Well 5 mins with google should answer that question for you. Its worth noting that if you are referring to chemical and biological weapons that Iraq had prior to the first Gulf war, these weapons would now for the most part be useless. VX nerve gas for instance has a limited lifetime as does Sarin.

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4. The problem is that when they made that agreement with the UN the USA was a party to it. It was just like us making an agreement with them using the UN name. Now that the UN has shown itself to have no backbone we have to go in and clean up the mess.



This is the whole point of the UN. If the required level of agreement is not there then action should not be taken. Whether a nation agrees with a UN decision is irrelevant, as a member they should accept it and strive to change the situation through diplomacy. Of course this require patience.

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Bush is a liar if he doesnt attack these countries. I doubt he will.


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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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The USA is somehow "getting away with" these actions. Who's going to stop my government? Please? Anybody?


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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: z@z.com]
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We will not just print more money to pay for this. That doesn't work.

Of course it doesn't work, but it postpones the time when the final bill will come due.

Since we came off the gold standard in 1964 house prices (REAL estate - not FAKE paper dollars) have multiplied astronomically. My dad paid $7000 for his house in 1967 and it is now worth over $250,000 even though the property and house has deteriorated. This is not true "appreciation", but inflation due to an unanchored dollar.

Mark my words, food prices will be up 25-35% next year due to the printing of excessive paper.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Sombie]
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Uh, we arn't breaking any U.N. laws by going into Iraq.

Are you serious? So the UN Charter says that any nation can defy the UN and attack another nation unprovoked? Guess I missed that part.

So it was OK for Iraq to invade Kuwait? (Actually Iraq WAS provoked when the Kuwaitis slant-drilled Iraqi oil fields, but that fact was never mentioned in the US press.)

Remember folks: Might makes right!


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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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Thank God/Goddess the Clavary is here....Please don't go away.....we need a voice of reason aroung here......


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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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Quote:
Uh, we arn't breaking any U.N. laws by going into Iraq.

Are you serious? So the UN Charter says that any nation can defy the UN and attack another nation unprovoked? Guess I missed that part.

So it was OK for Iraq to invade Kuwait? (Actually Iraq WAS provoked when the Kuwaitis slant-drilled Iraqi oil fields, but that fact was never mentioned in the US press.)

Remember folks: Might makes right!


Remember when Mr. Burns did that to Springfield Elementary?


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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: uno]
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Those bastards in the school deserved it!!!

:laugh:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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So the UN Charter says that any nation can defy the UN and attack another nation unprovoked? Guess I missed that part.


How did we defy the UN? I don't recall any UN resolution that prohibits the US from enforcing 1441. I don't even understand why people view this as a seperate war from desert storm. This is just a restart of the first war because Saddam negated the cease fire by not following the conditions of it.


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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Evolving]
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Money used for weapons and war is money that is not available for education, medicine, food, housing and various other enterprises.

Now you're learning.

The fact is Bush has no interest whatsoever on spending money on education, food or housing. Starting illegal wars on Iraq displays this quite clearly.


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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Xlea321]
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Money used for weapons and war is money that is not available for education, medicine, food, housing and various other enterprises.

Now you're learning.


Huh? I recall you propagating the broken window fallacy before as well Alex. Maybe you're learning. It's okay to admit that you've changed your mind.

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The fact is Bush has no interest whatsoever on spending money on education, food or housing.


The fact is Bush has increased spending in many areas. He has increased spending more than any president since Lyndon Johnson, this is not counting the cost for the military adventure in Iraq. By looking at the books, one could easily say that George Bush is more of a socialist than Bill Clinton was.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: USA violates UN laws and other hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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Swami Said:




"So the USA is going to invade Iraq for:

1. having weapons of mass destruction even though many were supplied by the USA.

2. for harming it's own people, while the USA incarcerates record numbers of it's own people for using an herb while destroying their family and confiscating possessions.

3. failure to destroy weapons of mass destruction while not having any measurable goal of compliance.

4. for violating a UN resolution. The USA invasion of Iraq without UN approval is a MUCH larger violation of UN by-laws than Iraq's alleged violation. No plan to attack Israel for many UN resolution violations.

5. for training and harboring terrorist cells. No plan to attack Saudi Arabia even though most 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.

6. for having an oppressive dictatorial regime. No plan to attack other dictatorial regimes such as Yemen, Libya, Syria, UAE, etc.

7. because of 9/11. No link of Osama to Saddam.

8. because Iraq is a possible threat to the USA sometime in the future. Umm, so is ANY nation.

9. to get more Middle East nations to be "democratic" though we are really pissed at Turkey for taking a democratic vote not to accept our bribe.


Draining $300,000,000,000 from the USA economy to replace one aging Iraqi with another and risking the lives of our young boys is a veritable bargain. Hell, we don't need money for schools, social security or any programs to boost our sagging economy.

How will this war be paid for? By printing extra money (inflation) devaluing everything you own. Gas is NOT the only thing that will go up. Check out the price of milk and bread a year from now.

Dismantling our freedoms (the US Constitution: see Patriot I and Patriot Act II, which will NEVER be repealed as promised!) in the name of freedom, that is a good one.

All makes sense to me."



Swami said:
We will not just print more money to pay for this. That doesn't work.

Of course it doesn't work, but it postpones the time when the final bill will come due.

Since we came off the gold standard in 1964 house prices (REAL estate - not FAKE paper dollars) have multiplied astronomically. My dad paid $7000 for his house in 1967 and it is now worth over $250,000 even though the property and house has deteriorated. This is not true "appreciation", but inflation due to an unanchored dollar.

Mark my words, food prices will be up 25-35% next year due to the printing of excessive paper.



did food prices go up 25-35% due to the printing of ecessive paper???


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

Edited by lonestar2004 (11/01/05 07:42 PM)

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