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Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel * 1
    #13903722 - 02/04/11 07:32 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/02/03/jimmy-carter-sued-for-5-million-for-criticism-of-israel/



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In a move that calls back to the attempt by Texas cattlemen to sue Oprah Winfrey for “defamation of beef.” an Israeli lawyer has filed a class-action lawsuit against former President Jimmy Carter, seeking $5 million in damages because his book “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid” allegedly defamed Israel.

Attorney Nitsana Darshan-Leitner insisted that Carter’s book violated New York State’s Consumer Protection Laws by asserting things, largely that Israel was not inherently reasonable and Syria was not inherently unreasonable, that “even a child” knows is untrue.

The suit went on to condemn Carter, saying he had an “agenda of anti-Israel propaganda” and condemned publisher Simon and Shuster for advertising the book as a work on non-fiction. The legal complaint insists Carter has the right to publish a book “to put forward his virulent anti-Israel bias” but insisted that such a book could only be sold as a work of fiction.

Lawsuits against authors alleging “defamation” of the government or a key ally, though common in some Mideast dictatorships, have never been particulary common nor successful in the United States. Likewise, it does not appear that New York’s Consumer Protection Law explicitly forbids criticism of Israel in a work of non-fiction, though if true this would surely make for an interesting Constitutional challenge to such a law.

Simon and Schuster spokesman Adam Rothberg condemned the lawsuit as a “chillling attack on free speech” and promised that the company would oppose it in court. Former President Carter has yet to comment.








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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Nexius]
    #13910170 - 02/05/11 12:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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LMAO!  Maybe Israel needs to trademark their name.

Where's all the Israel bashing burt hurt libtards?  I guess after getting their messiah elected they're sleeping in the woods, under bridges and in the sewers because of the high unemployment rate.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Nexius]
    #13920585 - 02/07/11 12:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Does this lawyer know that it is not illegal to criticize Israel in the US? The mainstream media just acts that way. In opera's case the state that she was sued in had a law on the books that made criticism of beef illegal.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Nexius]
    #13922951 - 02/07/11 06:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Cuntface Carter is not being sued for criticizing Israel.  As any child who actually reads the suit would know he is being sued for false labeling in a consumer class action lawsuit.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13925865 - 02/08/11 05:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

> As any child who actually reads the suit would know he is being sued for false labeling in a consumer class action lawsuit.

Cuntface he may be, but the lawsuit against him is pretty lame.  People, even idiots like Carter, have the right to their opinion and have the right to publish their opinion.  I have not read the lawsuit, but I have read statements about it and they are trying real hard to get around the 1st amendment, forcing censorship upon us all.  I don't like Cuntface Carter, but I defend his right to publish drivel that makes him look like an idiot.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/carter-sued-5-million-attacking-israel-book
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The lawsuit, filed in New York by an Israeli firm, alleges that the book "contained numerous false and knowingly misleading statements intended to promote the author's agenda of anti-Israel propaganda and to deceive the reading public instead of presenting accurate information as advertised."




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The plaintiffs alleged in a press release that the 39th US president and Nobel Peace Prize winner "violated the law and, thus, harmed those who purchased the book" by unfairly "attacking Israel."




I don't need people protecting me from what I read, nor do I agree that reading something that casts Israel in a bad light somehow harms me.

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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Seuss]
    #13926055 - 02/08/11 07:12 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

But Israel is sacrosanct. :hissyfit:


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Icelander]
    #13926280 - 02/08/11 08:38 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

yea, proponents of israel would never deceive the public with inaccurate information. never! 

how dare that anti-semetic nazi!!

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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Seuss]
    #13926355 - 02/08/11 08:58 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I know it's complete bullshit.  I was just trying to clarify what the lawsuit was about, contrary to the title of this thread.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Grav]
    #13926482 - 02/08/11 09:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

> how dare that anti-semetic nazi!!

I don't think he is a Nazi, but he certainly seems to be biased again Israel.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Seuss] * 1
    #13926530 - 02/08/11 09:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Biased against Israel is not the same thing as being an anti-Semite.

Many of my close personal friends are Jewish, and I am a strong admirer of the faith and perseverance of the Jewish people.  I am pro-Semite, I suppose, although you never hear it used that way.

At the same time, I consider the charade that Israel has foisted upon the world over the last sixty years to be one of the greatest and saddest examples of the oppression of a conquered people by an outside invader in history.  I am thoroughly disgusted by Israeli actions as well as the justification for those actions, and I deplore the part that my country and my government (s) have played in enabling and promoting those actions.

The two, as you can see, are very different.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #13926726 - 02/08/11 10:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

> Biased against Israel is not the same thing as being an anti-Semite.

Please show me where I mentioned Carter and anti-semite together.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Seuss]
    #13926746 - 02/08/11 11:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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> how dare that anti-semetic nazi!!

I don't think he is a Nazi, but he certainly seems to be biased again Israel.




This guy called him an anti-semite and a Nazi.

You refuted the Nazi part, but seemed (maybe my interpretation) to agree that him being biased against Israel made him an anti-Semite.

Again, maybe this is my faulty interpretation of what you said.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #13927072 - 02/08/11 12:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Biased against Israel is not the same thing as being an anti-Semite.

Many of my close personal friends are Jewish, and I am a strong admirer of the faith and perseverance of the Jewish people.  I am pro-Semite, I suppose, although you never hear it used that way.

At the same time, I consider the charade that Israel has foisted upon the world over the last sixty years to be one of the greatest and saddest examples of the oppression of a conquered people by an outside invader in history.  I am thoroughly disgusted by Israeli actions as well as the justification for those actions, and I deplore the part that my country and my government (s) have played in enabling and promoting those actions.

The two, as you can see, are very different.




Which is, of course, complete afactual bilge.  Since their founding, which took place at around the same time every other nation in the Mid East was created, they have been under constant attack.  The Palestinians (whatever that is) are descendants of those punks.  No Arab nation will have anything to do with them except as proxy thugs to continue to attack Israel.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13927168 - 02/08/11 12:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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This is not "starting the discussion"

Stop copy-pasting articles to this forum without providing some discussion or argument of your own.

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LMAO!  Maybe Israel needs to trademark their name.





That wouldn't affect things like this one bit.  Trademark prevents consumer confusion as to the origin or association of goods, it does not hinder accurate labeling.


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Cuntface Carter is not being sued for criticizing Israel.  As any child who actually reads the suit would know he is being sued for false labeling in a consumer class action lawsuit.




A good tip off (assuming you're correct, I haven't looked at it) is that this article makes conclusory claims without citing the portion of the lawsuit that does what they claim.

When news articles are full of bare claims without any factual refrences, especially on a matter as simple to document as a lawsuit, you should start to wonder.  I personally start to wonder when the original poster is "Nexius" too-0 the guy doesn't have a great track record of justifying his claims and making logical argument, to say the least.

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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13927404 - 02/08/11 01:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Biased against Israel is not the same thing as being an anti-Semite.

Many of my close personal friends are Jewish, and I am a strong admirer of the faith and perseverance of the Jewish people.  I am pro-Semite, I suppose, although you never hear it used that way.

At the same time, I consider the charade that Israel has foisted upon the world over the last sixty years to be one of the greatest and saddest examples of the oppression of a conquered people by an outside invader in history.  I am thoroughly disgusted by Israeli actions as well as the justification for those actions, and I deplore the part that my country and my government (s) have played in enabling and promoting those actions.

The two, as you can see, are very different.




Which is, of course, complete afactual bilge.  Since their founding, which took place at around the same time every other nation in the Mid East was created, they have been under constant attack.




yea, you tend to encounter a little bit of resistance when committing genocide.



innocent Israel, only acting out of self-defense from the wicked brown people.

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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Grav]
    #13927452 - 02/08/11 01:44 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Right.  The other wicked brown people who are no browner than the Israelis but who have been trying to kill them since they came into existence.  They tried to kill them and they fucking lost so boohoo.  Neither Jordan nor Egypt would take their shit back.  The Israelis returned Gaza and got daily rocket attacks.  I'm sorry but these poor put upon Palestinians have no claim and no shame.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: johnm214]
    #13927461 - 02/08/11 01:46 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Either way, given the recent leaks of documents from the Palestinian delegates negotiations regarding the concessions they were willing to make from the last negotiations (which were still not sufficient for Israel). I hardly doubt that this libel suit will go through, hell I doubt it would even succeed in a country with harsh libel laws.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Grav]
    #13927555 - 02/08/11 02:03 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Biased against Israel is not the same thing as being an anti-Semite.

Many of my close personal friends are Jewish, and I am a strong admirer of the faith and perseverance of the Jewish people.  I am pro-Semite, I suppose, although you never hear it used that way.

At the same time, I consider the charade that Israel has foisted upon the world over the last sixty years to be one of the greatest and saddest examples of the oppression of a conquered people by an outside invader in history.  I am thoroughly disgusted by Israeli actions as well as the justification for those actions, and I deplore the part that my country and my government (s) have played in enabling and promoting those actions.

The two, as you can see, are very different.




Which is, of course, complete afactual bilge.  Since their founding, which took place at around the same time every other nation in the Mid East was created, they have been under constant attack.




yea, you tend to encounter a little bit of resistance when committing genocide.





Please back up your claim that they are commiting genocide.

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innocent Israel, only acting out of self-defense from the wicked brown people.





What is the relevance of this image and your straw man argument?  You've not actually made a particular claim here, inferring that Israel is commiting genocide without actually stating it, and have no made an argument for anything.

By this picture I assume you mean *something*, but since you've failed to state anything whatsoever, we can only guess.

Your graphic alleges certain lands to be "arab land" as opposed to "jewish land".  What percisely is the claim here?  Is it one of soverignty, moral right, predominant race, what?

It strikes me as lazy argument to just throw vague statements alleging heinous acts and graphs of unknown quantities.  It makes it impossible to pin down what exactly you are saying and to decide if your position is agreable or not, let alone if you have anything at all to back up your inferences, which hopefully you'll be providing soon.

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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: ScavengerType]
    #13927586 - 02/08/11 02:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Either way, given the recent leaks of documents from the Palestinian delegates negotiations regarding the concessions they were willing to make from the last negotiations (which were still not sufficient for Israel). I hardly doubt that this libel suit will go through, hell I doubt it would even succeed in a country with harsh libel laws.



:facepalm:Another one who can't read.  It isn't a libel suit.  It's a consumer fraud suit.  Holy fucking zappa it never ends.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/142124

While former U.S. President Jimmy Carter has a perfect right to his anti-Israel opinions – and certainly has the right to publish a book full of those opinions
– he does not have the right to fob off a work of fiction as fact.
That, says Israeli activist attorney Nitzana Darshan-Leitner, is what has earned him the opprobrium of dozens of people who bought his book, “Palestine: Peace or Apartheid.” And now, says Darshan-Leitner, she is representing those unhappy customers in a class-action lawsuit against Carter, in order to get them a refund.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: johnm214]
    #13927947 - 02/08/11 03:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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What is the relevance of this image and your straw man argument?  You've not actually made a particular claim here, inferring that Israel is commiting genocide without actually stating it, and have no made an argument for anything.

By this picture I assume you mean *something*, but since you've failed to state anything whatsoever, we can only guess.

Your graphic alleges certain lands to be "arab land" as opposed to "jewish land".  What percisely is the claim here?  Is it one of soverignty, moral right, predominant race, what?





see the big green colors in the before images?  those represent where Palestinian humans were living.

see the big white colors in the after images?  those represent modern Israeli dominance in the region.

what do you think happened to all the Palestinians?  they were and are being systematically removed: jailed, killed, or forced into racial concentration camps. their homes bulldozed to the ground.

in addition, the israeli mossad false-flag or agent-provocatuer an attack against themselves to uphold the charade of self defense and gain public support.  they don't want peace, they want the palestinians eliminated. (see graphic)

my claim is nothing more or less than that it is evil, and it is evil that the USA is funding it. (not to mention fighting Israel's wars that we were tricked into on 9/11) 

zionist israel is the real terrorist state.

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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Grav]
    #13928021 - 02/08/11 03:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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What is the relevance of this image and your straw man argument?  You've not actually made a particular claim here, inferring that Israel is commiting genocide without actually stating it, and have no made an argument for anything.

By this picture I assume you mean *something*, but since you've failed to state anything whatsoever, we can only guess.

Your graphic alleges certain lands to be "arab land" as opposed to "jewish land".  What percisely is the claim here?  Is it one of soverignty, moral right, predominant race, what?





see the big green colors in the before images?  those represent where Palestinian humans were living.




Anyone who lived in Palestine was a Palestinian.
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see the big white colors in the after images?  those represent modern Israeli dominance in the region.




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what do you think happened to all the Palestinians?  they were and are being systematically removed: jailed, killed, or forced into racial concentration camps. their homes bulldozed to the ground.




This here is a fucking beauty of bullshit.  Most of them live fairly freely.
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in addition, the israeli mossad false-flag or agent-provocatuer an attack against themselves to uphold the charade of self defense and gain public support.  they don't want peace, they want the palestinians eliminated. (see graphic)




If they wanted the Pallies eliminated they would be eliminated.  Long ago.  Because the Israelis are competent.  The only reason the Israelis still exist is not a lack of will on the part of Pallies but a lack of competence.  Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel.
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my claim is nothing more or less than that it is evil, and it is evil that the USA is funding it. (not to mention fighting Israel's wars that we were tricked into on 9/11)




More bullshit.  We have never fought a war for Israel. 
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zionist israel is the real terrorist state.




Bullshit.  They have exactly as much right to exist as any other nation.  The terrorists are the punks and their enablers who refuse to accept that.


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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13943763 - 02/11/11 05:47 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yes we have fought and are fighting a war for Israel. (among other beneficiaries)

And it's because people like you believe in the "terrorist punks" narrative you've been fed for decades.  You can not comprehend the simple concept of a false-flag.  Despite the mountain of evidence of Israel deceiving the U.S. with failed and successful frame-ups of "terrorist punks" since the 1950's.

But judging from your post you probably have even more respect for Israel because of this.

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Re: Jimmy Carter Sued for $5 Million for Criticism of Israel [Re: Grav]
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Yes we have fought and are fighting a war for Israel. (among other beneficiaries)




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And it's because people like you believe in the "terrorist punks" narrative you've been fed for decades.  You can not comprehend the simple concept of a false-flag.  Despite the mountain of evidence of Israel deceiving the U.S. with failed and successful frame-ups of "terrorist punks" since the 1950's.




Of course I can comprehend the concept.  I just think that batshit brigade over-applies it to support their pre-determined narrative.  Which in your and Shin's case is "Jews suck!"
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But judging from your post you probably have even more respect for Israel because of this.



I have enormous respect for Israel and Israelis for beating back the hundreds of millions of morons who want to kill them.  I also respect them for making an economically viable nation on near barren land devoid of resource wealth, unlike the neighboring morons who have created chattel states in spite of vast resource wealth.


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