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 anyone here support the drug war? 
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as odd as it would seem... i think there must be at least a couple individuals here who do... anyone? your thoughts?
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
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The "drug war" is a veiled assult on individual liberty. Not many here support it but I've seen people here write they support the continued prohibition of hard drugs, as if it's ok because they don't use those drugs.
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#1389897 - 03/19/03 02:26 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Absolutly NO!!!
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#1389923 - 03/19/03 02:38 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rail_Gun writes:
I've seen people here write they support the continued prohibition of hard drugs, as if it's ok because they don't use those drugs.
You are correct. There are more than a few here who believe marijuana and natural hallucinogens should be legalized, but that some other drugs from natural sources (opiates, cocaine) should not be. Still others are willing to extend their okay to opiates and coca, but not to "refined" opiates and coca, such as heroin and crack. There are quite a few who are against legalizing synthetic drugs that don't exist in nature (apparently forgetting that LSD and MDMA are synthetics) and a LOT who are against legalizing speed.
Their justifications for continuing the prohibition of some drugs but not all is just as lame as the government's position. There is quite literally no moral difference whatsoever in their positions -- they differ only in the details.
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#1390042 - 03/19/03 03:32 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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What he ^^^^^^ said.
I used to only think weed should be legal, but then once I really thought about it, why not just let 'em all rip.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1390106 - 03/19/03 03:56 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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i say all drugs should be legal (with the exception of bona fide poisons of course). i think there might be one person here who believes in drug prohibition. if anyone.. i'm thinking it'll be that new guy.. that rather shady, blindly 'patriotic' one...
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1390123 - 03/19/03 04:00 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tis a well noan fact (must be cus duh gubment says its so) that drug use supports terrierism. Either yer fur us or yer agin us. So I support the drug laws. I supoprt the patriot act 1 an 2. God Bless Jorj Bush. To hell wit all ya drugged out hippys. Now let us go kik ass on a tin pot dick taster.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
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The failed drug war seems to be escalating recently with marijuana as its focus. John Walters is scared, he's on the run. But it's big business, they have got to be making a fucking killing on all the money & assets they steal/seize. Add the DEA to Nixon's list of evil deeds. As for marijuana and the law here's a good quote from 'ole Abe.
The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1390253 - 03/19/03 04:36 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I remember reading a post (it was years ago, I think it was a usenet post) where some guy was saying that he wanted marijuana to remain illegal so he could keep selling it.
That made me angry. Greedy bastard would allow thousands of people to be imprisoned, murdered, and raped so that he could make a buck.
I'm sure there's a few people around here who think like that, but they won't bring it up because a) they don't want to admit to being a dealer, and b) they don't want to be tarred and feathered.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1390431 - 03/19/03 05:42 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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if anyone.. i'm thinking it'll be that new guy.. that rather shady, blindly 'patriotic' one...
Are you refering to me???
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: Murex]
#1390476 - 03/19/03 05:54 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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nope
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#1390583 - 03/19/03 06:26 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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that Mich? guy?
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: Innvertigo]
#1390588 - 03/19/03 06:27 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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haha... you guessed it.. i wonder where he is.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1390592 - 03/19/03 06:28 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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or maybe fadedpinkwings, if he ever decides to show up again...
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1390595 - 03/19/03 06:30 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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fadedpinkwings a puppet i believe but there are a lot of people that only drop in every now and then to comment on a topic.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1390604 - 03/19/03 06:33 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Naturally occurring "drugs" should not be regulated, stuff mixed in your bath tub on the other hand, should be. But I don't see any sort of legalization happening. The "War on Drugs" is America's main exucse for keeping operatives in Central and South America. But such is life...
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see... i used to feel that way... that of course... 'natural' drugs should be legal... but not meth and whatnot...but come on... i think people should have the freedom to decide what they put into their bodies, no matter what the origin. the only problem i have with meth is the large amount of toxic waste byproducts.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1391142 - 03/19/03 09:28 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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In a perfect world, i would say that all drugs should be legal, but just picture being able to buy crack and herion legally. Since we live in a capitalistic society, corporations would take over the trade, and find a way to make these things even more addicteive, like the tobacco companies. I think that all drugs should be legal, but only nonaddictive drugs should be allowed to be sold. In my opinion tobacco should be illegal to sell, it's a business built on addiction.
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#1391201 - 03/19/03 09:47 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hell yeah, I support the drug war. I've been waiting for the invasion of Columbia so the price of coke will drop even further.
oops, wrong war
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: flow]
#1391209 - 03/19/03 09:49 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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it comes down to personal responsibility and freedom. if corporations are out selling hard drugs, just say no if you don't want to use them. with the exception of crack, cigarettes are the most addictive drug delivery system known to man... yet the vast majority of people stay away from them. for those who don't... it's their fault, not the cigarette companies. the cigarette companies are selling something that people want to buy. no amount of advertizing can force a person to start smoking.
anything can be addictive. we aren't out banning video games because some people spend an unhealthy amount of time playing them...
tobacco companies did not do anything to make cigarettes addictive. people were hand rolling their own very addictive cigarettes long before anyone got the idea to mass-produce them.
if someone wants to buy heroin, and someone else wants to sell it... there shouldn't be anything illegal about that transaction.
no one would FORCE you to use drugs. but under prohibition, they FORCE you NOT to use drugs.
and i do get very sick of people who continue to point their fingers at the tobacco companies as if these companies are evil... PEOPLE ARE BUYING CIGARETTES BECAUSE THEY WANT THEM!!!. all these companies do is supply people with something they want.
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#1391246 - 03/19/03 10:01 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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tobacco companies did not do anything to make cigarettes addictive.
ummm...what?? what about adding nicotine? What about lying to the american public for years about how cigarettes are not harmful or addictive? My point really is that a hand-rolled pure tobacco cigarette is a lot less harmful than those sold by the tobacco companies, whose to say the same thing won't happen with other drugs.
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if someone wants to buy heroin, and someone else wants to sell it... there shouldn't be anything illegal about that transaction.
true, although it is immoral to sell something that is addictive, in a perfect world this shouldn't be illegal, but we don't live in a perfect world. Can you seriously say that legalizing crack and herion wouldn't cause huge problems?
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no one would FORCE you to use drugs. but under prohibition, they FORCE you NOT to use drugs.
not really, pretty much everyone i know gets high whenever they want to, all prohibition does is drive the price way up. I just bought a bag of herb that's literally worth its weight gold. They don't force you to do anything, the just make you disobey the law. It's like saying "i was forced to jaywalk because their isn't a crosswalk in the middle of the street."
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: flow]
#1391278 - 03/19/03 10:09 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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You don't believe in freedom, do you?
Sorry, but I'm an adult and I can make my own decisions about what to put in my body. Any prohibition on the consumption or use of substances should only apply to minors or anyone who sucks from the teat of the nanny state.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: Evolving]
#1391321 - 03/19/03 10:23 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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of course i believe in freedom, but im a realist, not an idealist. Is it really difficult for a minor to get alcohol in the US now? No. If crack was legal a minor would only need to find an irresponsible crack head adult to buy it for them. Can't you see that this is a huge problem with a substance like crack where arguably almost everyone who uses it is addicted?? And i wasn't really saying it should be illegal, i was saying it should be illegal to sell. that is not violating anyones freedom except those who would wish to profit from the hopless addiction of a fellow human being.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: flow]
#1391342 - 03/19/03 10:30 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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ummm...what?? what about adding nicotine?
the tobacco plant contains nicotine. nicotine is not synthesized by cigarette companies and added to their cigs. even if it was... it's only because people want it. there are still 'lite' and even 'ultra lite' cigarettes available.
What about lying to the american public for years about how cigarettes are not harmful or addictive?
that was wrong and they should be held accountable for it. however, for years, it has been common public knowledge that cigarettes are harmful and addictive. cigarette companies are even forced to say so on the pack (for those of us that didn't know). people still choose to smoke.
My point really is that a hand-rolled pure tobacco cigarette is a lot less harmful than those sold by the tobacco companies
some additives are put in cigarettes to enhance their shelf-life or flavor. again... people buy them because they want to. for those who prefer it, there are additive free cigarettes available on the market, and it's still possible to roll your own.
whose to say the same thing won't happen with other drugs.
i'm quite sure that it would. there would be marijuana cigarettes with the said additives in them. i wouldn't buy them though. neither would you (unless you wanted to). we'd buy the additive free ones. or more likely grow our own. (or at least roll our own).
true, although it is immoral to sell something that is addictive
you should take that over to S+P rather than stating it as an ultimate truth. i disagree.
not really, pretty much everyone i know gets high whenever they want to, all prohibition does is drive the price way up. I just bought a bag of herb that's literally worth its weight gold. They don't force you to do anything, the just make you disobey the law. It's like saying "i was forced to jaywalk because their isn't a crosswalk in the middle of the street."
there is a threat of force. so far, you've been lucky (or smart) enough to avoid it. thousands of people have not been so lucky, and are currently unjustly imprisoned.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: flow]
#1391355 - 03/19/03 10:36 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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If crack was legal a minor would only need to find an irresponsible crack head adult to buy it for them.
in which case the crackhead should be prosecuted and not be allowed to buy crack anymore.
Can't you see that this is a huge problem with a substance like crack where arguably almost everyone who uses it is addicted??
no. i think most people know well enough to stay away from crack. crack is used by poor people who can't afford cocaine. if not for the black market, there would be no crack.
And i wasn't really saying it should be illegal, i was saying it should be illegal to sell.
so that while use is legal, users are forced to support an illegal market, and although it's legal to buy, those who sell it are criminals?
that is not violating anyones freedom except those who would wish to profit from the hopless addiction of a fellow human being.
immoral perhaps, but shouldn't be illegal.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: flow]
#1391378 - 03/19/03 10:45 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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of course i believe in freedom, but im a realist, not an idealist.
A realist would realize that prohibition doesn't work.
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Is it really difficult for a minor to get alcohol in the US now? No. If crack was legal a minor would only need to find an irresponsible crack head adult to buy it for them.
It my experiences as a minor and on the streets of many places in the L.A. area, it's easier for a minor to get illegal substances than it is for to get legal ones.
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Can't you see that this is a huge problem with a substance like crack where arguably almost everyone who uses it is addicted??
Crack is illegal NOW, people are addicted to it NOW, the laws aren't working NOW.
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And i wasn't really saying it should be illegal, i was saying it should be illegal to sell. that is not violating anyones freedom except those who would wish to profit from the hopless addiction of a fellow human being.
Check your premises. If it is illegal to sell, that means it is illegal to buy, you are violating peoples freedom by making it illegal to sell. MANY people use drugs without becoming addicted. MANY people sell drugs just so they can survive economically. How do you determine which sellers "wish to profit from the hopless addiction of a fellow human being?"
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: Evolving]
#1391402 - 03/19/03 10:53 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the "war on drugs" has a much larger impact on the egos of drug-users than many realize. That's all I've got on this topic for now 
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: flow]
#1391460 - 03/19/03 11:09 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is it really difficult for a minor to get alcohol in the US now? No. If crack was legal a minor would only need to find an irresponsible crack head adult to buy it for them.
Back when I first started high school it was far easier for me to get most drugs than it was alcohol. Dealers don't card.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: z@z.com]
#1391471 - 03/19/03 11:12 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: z@z.com]
#1391478 - 03/19/03 11:14 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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ah... i'll be the third *edit- 4th* to testify that it was always easier to get illegal drugs than alcohol as a minor.
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I'm assuming I'm a bit younger than you guys (I'm being packed off to college). The transactions that I see the most are those involving prescription drugs (ironic). This new fad appropriately reflects the "Prozac Generation". I'd say marijuana and alcohol are just as easy to find and buy.
As for the "War on Drugs", my thoughts can be best represented by another Bill Hicks quote: "It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom". The notion that our government tells us what we can and cannot put into OUR own bodies enrages me.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
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I cast my vote for non-prohibition. But would anyone in their right mind say there should be NO regulation? Here are some types of regulation that exist for legal drugs:
(I'm not saying I support all of these. Some I do, some I don't, some I'm not sure)
Alcohol
legal drinking age
midnight last purchase
liquor license requirements
surgeon general warnings on label
Tobacco
legal smoking age
advertising restrictions (no TV ads)
surgeon general warnings on label
tobacco tax
Prescription drugs (morphine, xanax, etc.)
prescription required
This is just off the top of my head, so I may have missed some. So, what, if any, regulations might be justified for cocaine, marijuana, heroin, etc.?
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: hongomon]
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So, what, if any, regulations might be justified for cocaine, marijuana, heroin, etc.?
My suggestions:
Marijuana
Must be 18 to buy
Surgeon General's Warning
Must have license to sell
Must meet certain FDA standards for purity
Cocaine
Must be 18 to buy
Surgeon General's Warning
Cannot advertise on T.V.
Must have license to sell/manufacture
Must meet certain FDA standards for purity
Cocaine tax
Ecstacy
Must be 18 to buy
Surgeon General's Warning
Cannot advertise on T.V.
Must have license to sell/manufacture
Must meet certain FDA standards for purity
MDMA tax
LSD
Must be 18 to buy
Surgeon General's Warning
Must have license to sell/manufacture
Must meet certain FDA standards for purity
Shrooms and Mescaline
Must be 18 to buy
Surgeon General's Warning
Must have license to sell
Must meet certain FDA standards for purity
DMT
Must be 18 to buy
Surgeon General's Warning
Must have license to sell/manufacture
Must meet certain FDA standards for purity
Ketamine
Must be 18 to buy
Surgeon General's Warning
Cannot advertise on T.V.
Must have license to sell
Must meet certain FDA standards for purity
Heroin and other Opiates
Must be 18 to buy
Surgeon General's Warning
Cannot advertise on T.V.
Must have license to sell/manufacture
Must meet certain FDA standards for purity
Opiate tax
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: silversoul7]
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I like this idea, but what becomes of the prescription drug system? Do all prescription drugs(benzos, opiates, etc.) become available to people over 18? I'd like to see it happen, but then we're pissing off(taking power away from them) the FDA in addition to the DEA(evil drones)...all these fucking agencies, reminds me of the movie Brazil
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: hongomon]
#1391975 - 03/19/03 01:58 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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doesn't it seem odd to you that morphine should be regulated but not heroin?
the only restrictions i would place on drugs would be that you'd have to be 18 to buy them. that and 'commercial' production and sales would have to meet some kind of purity standards enforced by the FDA.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: Evolving]
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A realist would realize that prohibition doesn't work.
Nuff said. ... however, I must continue. Prohibition: did it work with alcohol? No, why? In part because it created a violent black market. Prohibition against other substances creates, in part, a dangerous black market as well.
The main part: Can human will, or desire, be legislated? In the end, no.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1392155 - 03/19/03 02:54 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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doesn't it seem odd to you that morphine should be regulated but not heroin?
To clarify, I'm pro-legalization and pro-regulation of all drugs (in the commercial sense--if it can be grown/consumed at home it shouldn't be anyone else's business). Something similar to what Silversoul wrote would be a good start.
It's all interesting to discuss, though of course, we all know how far we are from this being anything more than a pipedream.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: hongomon]
#1392206 - 03/19/03 03:10 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pipedream?
As in hash pipe?
As in crack pipe?
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 Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: rhizo]
#1392236 - 03/19/03 03:17 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like this idea, but what becomes of the prescription drug system?
All prescrips become available for people over 18. You have to have a prescription if you're under 18.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: Evolving]
#1392307 - 03/19/03 03:39 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pipedream?
As in hash pipe?
As in crack pipe?
As in whichever illicit pipe graces your dream.
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upupup
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1392310 - 03/19/03 03:40 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I do support the drug war and I am going to start by confiscating all ya'lls drugs......HAND EM OVER......
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: upupup]
#1393990 - 03/20/03 03:11 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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drugs? i hate people that take drugs...
police officers, customs officials, etc... 
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flow
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1394030 - 03/20/03 03:22 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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the tobacco plant contains nicotine. nicotine is not synthesized by cigarette companies and added to their cigs. even if it was... it's only because people want it. there are still 'lite' and even 'ultra lite' cigarettes available.
ok, so how many people in here want more nicotine in their cigs?? This was an immoral move by tobacco companies to raise the number of people addicted to nicotine. By doing so they effectively made money by causing and feeding addiction. this should be allowed to happen?
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that was wrong and they should be held accountable for it. however, for years, it has been common public knowledge that cigarettes are harmful and addictive. cigarette companies are even forced to say so on the pack (for those of us that didn't know). people still choose to smoke.
ok, i agree. but how many of those who still smoke knew how addictive nicotine was before they got hooked? Cig companies today still don't admit that most medical doctors will tell you that nicotine is only a little less addictive than coke.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: flow]
#1394060 - 03/20/03 03:33 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you read the nicotine contents of major cigarettes here, and then compared them with the all natural cigarettes here, you'd realize that "Big Tobacco" doesn't add nicotine, in fact it's quite the opposite.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: flow]
#1394170 - 03/20/03 04:11 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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where do your facts come from?
This was an immoral move by tobacco companies to raise the number of people addicted to nicotine.
what was? can you demonstrate that the cigarette companies add nicotine to their cigs?
By doing so they effectively made money by causing and feeding addiction. this should be allowed to happen?
again, can you prove that this actually happened?
but how many of those who still smoke knew how addictive nicotine was before they got hooked?
probably no one knows how addictive nicotine is before they start smoking. it's their misjudgement though, not the cigarette companies'. i myself didn't know how addictive and harmful cigarettes were before i had my first smoke. it didn't take me long to realize though, and when i did, i sucked it up and quit immediately. i don't buy cigarettes anymore, but it'd be ridiculous if i thought that other people shouldn't be allowed to buy them. when the topic of cigarettes comes up, i tell non-smokers to never even try a cigarette. not even one puff. they're that nasty. i would never force someone to not smoke though.
Cig companies today still don't admit that most medical doctors will tell you that nicotine is only a little less addictive than coke.
cigarettes are actually more addictive than cocaine.
the only thing that the cigarette companies have done that should be illegal is lie, twist, or otherwise manipulate the truth about their product. they should be held accountable for that. but other than that, they don't do anything that should be illegal.
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flow
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1394303 - 03/20/03 04:57 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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what was? can you demonstrate that the cigarette companies add nicotine to their cigs?
they don't anymore.
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the only thing that the cigarette companies have done that should be illegal is lie, twist, or otherwise manipulate the truth about their product. they should be held accountable for that. but other than that, they don't do anything that should be illegal.
i agree, but as i said im a realist, not an idealist. If this is what we get from big tobacco companies, what do you expect from big cocaine? are they magically going to be honest and open? It should happen that way, but it won't. Not like coke will ever be legal though.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: flow]
#1394315 - 03/20/03 05:01 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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What kind of SHIT is used as adulterants in illegal drugs? Do you know that people died during prohibition because of bad alcohol at a MUCH greater rate than they do today?
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: flow]
#1394328 - 03/20/03 05:04 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes.
if you're trying to make the case that FDA inspected drugs will be less pure and more adulterated than modern street drugs, i suggest you rethink things.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: Fred Garvin]
#1395136 - 03/20/03 10:09 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, with all the money that the goverment makes off the drug war , it will propbley never be over.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: gandallf206]
#1395243 - 03/20/03 10:42 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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the government does not make money off the drug war. it spends billions on it. christ.
the drug war started back in the 20's and 30's. there were chinese, mexicans, and blacks using opium, marijuana and cocaine recreationally. at the time, the trend in america was puritanical, paranoid, and racist. so they made these drugs illegal. a certain newspaper tycoon with racist tendencies teamed up with a few corrupt politicians and viola: the drug war, and the propaganda that supported it had begun. ever since then, politicians and the media have been telling us to 'just say no'. and alot of people have been buying that shit.
in the 1950's and '60's... the government, and the people started discovering psychedelics. psychedelics were quickly identified as powerful and possibly threatening to the establishment, and so were quickly made illegal.
the drug war exists for several reasons. one is that it's a huge industry. another is that it allows the government an excuse to meddle in everyone's lives a little more. another is that some people just don't want us to have too much fun. the biggest one is that the general public has been grossly misled. someday.. it will be over though. someday.
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: ]
#1395755 - 03/20/03 02:56 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well email john walters(drug czar) and tell him your views. also write your local representatives and make some noise.
john walters email addy John_P._Walters@ondcp.eop.gov
of course they'll find you and kill you for speaking out
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Re: anyone here support the drug war? [Re: rhizo]
#1395811 - 03/20/03 03:21 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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of course they'll find you and kill you for speaking out
haha. you're joking, right?
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