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InvisibleClosetCase
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Poll: When then war will begin ...officially
    #1389354 - 03/18/03 09:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)


When will the war officially begin?
Before 4pm today
4pm - 6pm
6pm - 8pm
8pm - 10pm
10pm - Midnight
Tomorrow 3/20
Other



All times are Eastern ...for reference, Baghdad is 8 hours ahead of Eastern(+).




Votes accepted from (12/31/69 07:00 PM) to (No end specified)
View the results of this poll



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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: ClosetCase]
    #1389362 - 03/18/03 09:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone think the US will strike early since the ultimatum was rejected already?


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: ClosetCase]
    #1389475 - 03/18/03 10:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

we should


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: ClosetCase]
    #1389633 - 03/19/03 01:06 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i think we should wait until after 8:00 pm to give him a fair "LAST" chance.

12 hours 49 minutes until liberation..


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1390163 - 03/19/03 06:11 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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i think we should wait until after 8:00 pm to give him a fair "LAST" chance.

12 hours 49 minutes until liberation..




And since when is Shrub ever trying to "liberate" someone?? What about the PATRIOT act, TIA, etc.??


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1390205 - 03/19/03 06:21 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

And since when is Shrub ever trying to "liberate" someone?? What about the PATRIOT act, TIA, etc.??



I'm not even sure this even deserves a response but i guess i will...

Being liberated from being killed, raped, tortured and living under duress is not the same thing as the Patriot Act 1 or 2. To say so is utter BS and shows how desperate this way of thinking is. There's not too many people on this site that support the Patriot Act. Your argument falls under the Tu Quoque Fallacie and is moot, or should be treated as such.

7 hours 43 minutes until liberation.


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Edited by Innvertigo (03/19/03 06:22 AM)


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1390696 - 03/19/03 09:07 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Being liberated from being killed, raped, tortured and living under duress...




I would argue that the Patriot acts and other conditions the Shrub has or will create in the US definitely qualify as "living under duress". And the CIA is at this very moment killing and torturing in Afghanistan. If they do likewise in Iraq, it will be Saddam Hussein all over again. Irregardless of whether its a logical "Fallacie" or not, the fact remains that the Iraqi ppl are not likely to be much better off after the war than they were under Saddam.



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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1390714 - 03/19/03 09:15 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

the fact remains that the Iraqi ppl are not likely to be much better off after the war than they were under Saddam.

oh, come on now.


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1390727 - 03/19/03 09:20 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:


And the CIA is at this very moment killing and torturing in Afghanistan. If they do likewise in Iraq, it will be Saddam Hussein all over again.




Evidence? Reliable sources? Anyone?


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1390752 - 03/19/03 09:28 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

I would argue that the Patriot acts and other conditions the Shrub has or will create in the US definitely qualify as "living under duress". 



i meant duress as in threatening to kill if they don't do what saddam wants to do...not, for example drug laws and wire tapping.

Quote:

And the CIA is at this very moment killing and torturing in Afghanistan. 



Speculation, a moot point

Quote:

Irregardless of whether its a logical "Fallacie" or not, the fact remains that the Iraqi ppl are not likely to be much better off after the war than they were under Saddam.



you're right, they're better of being raped, murdered and tortured and besides, muslims don't want to be free anyway...right? :smirk:

after all they are just humans...

4 hours 26 minutes until liberation


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Edited by Innvertigo (03/19/03 09:29 AM)


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1390887 - 03/19/03 10:06 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

And the CIA is at this very moment killing and torturing in Afghanistan.



Speculation, a moot point




WRONG-O, Bucko

Quote:

Quote:

Irregardless of whether its a logical "Fallacie" or not, the fact remains that the Iraqi ppl are not likely to be much better off after the war than they were under Saddam.




you're right, they're better of being raped, murdered and tortured and besides, muslims don't want to be free anyway...right?

after all they are just humans...




Im not saying their better off being raped, etc., but merely that the abuses are unlikely to end after Saddam.



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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1390930 - 03/19/03 10:19 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Try posting a source from a more neutral website. Greenleft.org.au sounds like they have an agenda.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: z@z.com]
    #1390980 - 03/19/03 10:36 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Try posting a source from a more neutral website. Greenleft.org.au sounds like they have an agenda.




Today is your lucky day. I found the original Washington Post article.


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1391007 - 03/19/03 10:44 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

"Those techniques, described in a front-page article in Thursday's Washington Post, include keeping prisoners "standing or kneeling for hours" while hooded or wearing spray-painted goggles, holding them in "awkward, painful positions" and depriving them of sleep with a 24-hour bombardment of lights."

That hardly sounds like what I would call torture.
Also they are not doing it indiscriminately.
And not a single mention of killing them.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


Edited by z@z.com (03/19/03 10:46 AM)


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1391216 - 03/19/03 11:51 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Washington post? Neutral?
ha.... :grin:


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1391235 - 03/19/03 11:58 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

now come on folks... it doesn't matter where this information came from. if it's true, it's true. i mean... you can put spins on alot of things... but whether or not there is 'torture' going on is a pretty black and white issue.

i find it very hard to believe that 'terrorists' are not being tortured for information. i mean... i'm sure it's nothing medievel or anything... but i really don't think we're above forcing prisoners to to kneel for hours to get them to talk.

i really think it's naive to think otherwise.


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Re: Poll: When then war will begin ...officially [Re: ]
    #1391260 - 03/19/03 12:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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now come on folks... it doesn't matter where this information came from. if it's true, it's true.



does that count if i use Fox News as my source?

Quote:

i find it very hard to believe that 'terrorists' are not being tortured for information



I'm all for torturing terrorists...hell i'd like to be the one to do it.

Quote:

i'm sure it's nothing medievel or anything... but i really don't think we're above forcing prisoners to to kneel for hours to get them to talk.



I heard one way of messing with them:
they say that a prisoner has to have 4 hours of sleep but it can be a total of 4 hours within a 24 hour period..ha

Quote:

i really think it's naive to think otherwise.



I suppose..

1 hour 50 minutes until liberation


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