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Compaq12986
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: LSDXM]
#13802353 - 01/17/11 02:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i say just go for it dont let anxiety and panic attacks rule your life its not worth it.
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evenbreak
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: Compaq12986]
#13805186 - 01/17/11 10:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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thx guys.. my mind's a lot clearer now than yesterday, no more panic and fear. Will keep on trying until I get it right..
-------------------- It has been reported that some victims of torture, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not wake up. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren’t being tortured. The only way that they realized they needed to wake up was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to wake up. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and please wake up.
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: evenbreak]
#13805839 - 01/18/11 01:05 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Focus on your breathing even..deep and slow (to relax) Could even try some contineous/holotropic breathing... always excelerates the intensity/depth for me. Very powerful..
-------------------- Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other side. "Adapt. Adjust. Accommodate." "Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...
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drr

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You rack a disciprine!
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: drr]
#13806020 - 01/18/11 02:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah focus on breathing might be the best prescription that can even by itself be taken to what you might call ego death with total calm you seem to have become aware more times during the last 48 hours than what is usual for you since you say you don't experience fear and panic anymore just continue going "oh yeah. I forgot to remember to be aware" as many times a day as you can the periods will lengthen very simple you do have the ability to do this your progress can be slow but you should not allow it to sink
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: Ferdinando]
#13839908 - 01/23/11 11:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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ego death sounds.... difficult hahaha
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jsin

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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: Wilkinator]
#13842740 - 01/24/11 03:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm also striving for ego-death. I felt like I had achieved this during my recent exploration of high doses of shrooms. After reading some more on the subject of ego-death I realized that maybe I hadn't reached that point yet.
I never felt like I was dying or a part of me was dying or anything. And it wasn't so sudden as everyone describes it to be. I just kinda became much more aware of my ego and how it has been holding me back in life. During my trips I found myself laughing hysterically at some of my thoughts and thought processes that I use in my daily sober life and how silly my perception is when I'm sober.
Apparently from what I've been reading this is not full blown ego-death. And if it isn't than I certainly want to get there eventually but I'm sorta new to higher doses of psilocybin. I want to mentally prepare myself as much as possible so when/if that time comes I'll be somewhat ready.
I have been reading a lot more on the subject by searching this web site and reading some psychedelic books that I ordered a few weeks ago. Hopefully I can achieve this one day because I'm on a mission to better myself in any and every way I possibly can. I suffer from anxiety and depression but I'm aware that It's all in my head and I have nothing to be anxious or depressed about. Still gets to me though.
Best of luck to you and your pursuit of liberation.
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: jsin]
#13843110 - 01/24/11 04:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The ego is the self, and all it identifies with.
To go through ego-death, is, in all practical senses, to die. And is often an anxious filled experience. It tends to happen quite quickly, as the ego attempts to cling onto its sense of self. At this point people either go/are forced into it, or they resist a hold onto whatever they can.
Ego-loss, is typically what people who are familiar with ego-death (experiential) go through, no anxiety, easy release, etc. Because, in this case the ego knows it doest just vanish forever (die)..
The ego is not ment to be vanquished, and be subjigated, or die for good (unless we die physicaly, but the ego can still cling to 3D reality..-ghosts etc)
The ego is what allows us to function in 3D as this form... Transcendence of the ego is different, its the balance restored, a cohesion of spirit and ego, to function not as a strictly individual, but as an interdividual. (inter dependence)
There are degrees of this when percievedd from the 3rd and 4th dimensions.. a proscess.
The ego inherently believes it is seperate, and alone, and so functions as such. To go through ego-death shows it (us) the truth.. The deeper interconnection. Hence forth it is called towards the sense of freedom and unity it felt, and may/may not seek towards that freedom, but it cant just lose itself if it is to function in the here and now. It must find balance.
Like i said, its a proscess, And most of us are still in this proscess.
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I'm not trying to jack this thread by any means. I'm just very interested in the subject of ego-death and rebirth. I want this so badly but every time I read about someone experiencing ego-death they make it sound so horrible that I second guess whether or not I'm ever going to be ready for it. I hear that the rebirth part is so glorious that it can't be described but the path leading up to that point is pure hell. I've read about people on the edge of suicide or freaking out and waking up in the hospital because they accidentally hurt themselves. I mean I want it but it sounds like a huge gamble.
My question is how do you know when you're ready? Or is it even possible to know that you're ready? I'm trying to read as much as I can but the more I read the more nervous I get. I've heard that meditation is the best way to prepare but I totally SUCK at mediating. My ADD is a beast! Is there any other way to prepare for ego-death? Can you gradually increase your dose to where it's not such a huge bomb when it hits you?
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: Compaq12986]
#13844206 - 01/24/11 07:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Compaq12986 said: load a bong up with some 20x salvia and toke a whole gram down in one or two hits...You'll let go allright.
this is what i did. i smokes .7 g of 20x salvia..... to say the least i reached the 5'th plateau.
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To go through ego-death, is, in all practical senses, to die. And is often an anxious filled experience. It tends to happen quite quickly, as the ego attempts to cling onto its sense of self. At this point people either go/are forced into it, or they resist a hold onto whatever they can.
exactly. it happens fast, and you know KNOW you are dead. its just your mind trying to cling to its self, with-in nothing, null space.
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evenbreak
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in retrospect, after a couple more experiences with other substances later, I think the problem is I'm actually not breathing..
I close my eyes, and something about the anxiety and not being able to feel my chest all that well makes me hold my breath without noticing that I'm holding my breath. my chest tightens, i start getting a headache and I just start to feel like shit in general until I start breathing again.. my heart's always pumping really fast after those moments. so you see, I don't think I can actually trust my nervous system..
so next time I'll try as much as possible to be totally conscious of my breath at all times.. which might be difficult if ego death totally takes away all bodily sensation. oh well, I'll see how it goes on my next little adventure
-------------------- It has been reported that some victims of torture, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not wake up. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren’t being tortured. The only way that they realized they needed to wake up was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to wake up. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and please wake up.
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LSDXM
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: evenbreak]
#13858275 - 01/27/11 05:27 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's virtually impossible that you're not breathing during these times. Your body doesn't require your conscious awareness to breathe. You don't stop breathing when you go to sleep, do you?
It may seem like you're not, just like people often think their heart has stopped beating on DMT because there's such a huge gap between beats as time slows down. It's not real though, you're just tripping.
Fwiw, 'getting a headache and feeling like shit' aren't symptoms of not breathing. The experience doesn't differ just cuz you're tripping. You can't like, hold your breath more calmly for lengthy periods of time with out... feeling like you're holding your breath
if you were not breathing, your body would automatically GASP deeply and wake you out of whatever trance you were in. Unless that happens, you've been breathing.
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: LSDXM]
#13858356 - 01/27/11 06:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's virtually impossible that you're not breathing during these times. Your body doesn't require your conscious awareness to breathe. You don't stop breathing when you go to sleep, do you?
actually you would be very surprised to know there are people that STOP breathing when they go to sleep, its called sleep apnea. they can stop breathing for up to 30 mins, and its dangerous to peoples health.
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Fwiw, 'getting a headache and feeling like shit' aren't symptoms of not breathing
this is another one where you are wrong. the MAIN cause of headaches is lack of oxygen.... your brain not getting enough air... and of course you would feel like shit if your brain doesn't get enough air....
there are many conditions that make it so the body doesn't breath naturaly, how do you know he doesn't have any one of these disorders?? lack of oxygen could also be a reason he doesn't feel the full effects of the drug.
Edit: Migraine - Migraine headaches can be caused by reduced blood flow resulting in lack of oxygen to various areas of the cerebral cortex.
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LSDXM
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I'm aware of sleep apnea but I didn't really feel it was directly relevant since this isn't really about sleep.
but anyways yeah you're right and I'm wrong pfft wutevz
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: LSDXM]
#13859170 - 01/27/11 11:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Most people faced with death, dont get a lot of time to mentaly prepare... (besides they're whole lives of course... bah, but who'd wanna do that...)
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wisepotatochips
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theres no triping right its like history it happend and its a fuzzy memory chances are all your trips wont help you at all just push you far from who you want to be
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FunkMasterShroom
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: wisepotatochips]
#13874936 - 01/30/11 03:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, just tried Salvia (20x) and if you want Ego Death, do a shit load of that, make a perspective assessment of the experience, and re-evaluate your thoughts on ego-death...
If you are satisfied, good.. If Not, then try again, or try something else..
-------------------- Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other side. "Adapt. Adjust. Accommodate." "Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks It would be hilarious... if it wasn't so sad...
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: jsin]
#13875023 - 01/30/11 03:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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jsin said: I'm not trying to jack this thread by any means. I'm just very interested in the subject of ego-death and rebirth. I want this so badly but every time I read about someone experiencing ego-death they make it sound so horrible that I second guess whether or not I'm ever going to be ready for it. I hear that the rebirth part is so glorious that it can't be described but the path leading up to that point is pure hell. I've read about people on the edge of suicide or freaking out and waking up in the hospital because they accidentally hurt themselves. I mean I want it but it sounds like a huge gamble.
My question is how do you know when you're ready? Or is it even possible to know that you're ready? I'm trying to read as much as I can but the more I read the more nervous I get. I've heard that meditation is the best way to prepare but I totally SUCK at mediating. My ADD is a beast! Is there any other way to prepare for ego-death? Can you gradually increase your dose to where it's not such a huge bomb when it hits you?
I say you just get a big dose, and eat it. Honestly, if you take a large enough dose, you will achieve ego-death. It's not that bad, especially if you know sort of what to expect. Sometimes I find myself saying "it can't be like this forever" and then I'm just gone. The rebirth thing IS awesome. It's like, everything is brand new. I was amazed at how beautiful trees were, and just life in general. it's a crazy experience, I say just go for it.
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evenbreak
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Re: not enough mental discipline to trip... ? [Re: Anthony917]
#13875798 - 01/30/11 10:27 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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what about panic and anxiety?? Doesn't that interfere with breathing naturally?
Yesterday I tried to be as conscious as possible of breathing deeply, and my experience was so much better.. I took a medium dose and experienced some.. strong daydreams I guess would be the best way to describe them. Nothing mindblowing yet, but I don't think I'm afraid anymore of taking a high dose next time.
edit: also just want to mention that when my whole body is numb so I can't feel the sensation of air passing through my mouth or my chest rising and falling, then I think it's kind of easy to get caught up in the panic and unconsciously hold my breath..
-------------------- It has been reported that some victims of torture, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not wake up. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren’t being tortured. The only way that they realized they needed to wake up was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to wake up. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and please wake up.
Edited by evenbreak (01/30/11 10:30 AM)
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