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To those who seek siddhis over samadhi:
#13872774 - 01/29/11 07:11 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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A poem by Aleister Crowley:

THE SORCERER
A Sorcerer by the power of his magick had subdued all things to himself. Would he travel? He could fly through space more swiftly than the stars. Would he eat, drink, and take his pleasure? there was none that did not instantly obey his bidding. In the whole system of ten million times ten million spheres upon the two and twenty million planes he had his desire. And with all this he was but himself. Alas!
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: deCypher]
#13872797 - 01/29/11 07:13 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Reminds me of the final boss in Shadow of the Colossus.
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: WScott]
#13872844 - 01/29/11 07:20 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Sweet picture and sweet poem. He didn't hide it, did he?
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: Kickle]
#13872848 - 01/29/11 07:21 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Hide what?
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: deCypher]
#13872868 - 01/29/11 07:23 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Where he was.
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: deCypher]
#13872916 - 01/29/11 07:33 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
deCypher said: A poem by Aleister Crowley:

THE SORCERER
A Sorcerer by the power of his magick had subdued all things to himself. Would he travel? He could fly through space more swiftly than the stars. Would he eat, drink, and take his pleasure? there was none that did not instantly obey his bidding. In the whole system of ten million times ten million spheres upon the two and twenty million planes he had his desire. And with all this he was but himself. Alas!
How did he die again?
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: Icelander]
#13873168 - 01/29/11 08:18 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Kickle said: Where he was.
Yes. One of the things I like about Crowley is that he always appears critically honest in his assessments of not only other people but himself.
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Icelander said: How did he die again?
Supposedly respiratory infection.
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: deCypher]
#13873241 - 01/29/11 08:34 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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idgi
what was the point of the poem?
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: yeah]
#13873273 - 01/29/11 08:38 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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yeah said: what was the point of the poem?
That spiritual powers are less important than discovering the true nature of the Self.
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Enpo said: What is siddhi and samadhi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samadhi
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: deCypher]
#13873300 - 01/29/11 08:42 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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That's what I kind of figured.
I have this book written by some ninja where he mentions that Aleister Crowely was terribly lonely.
So is this true and that poem is a self reflection?
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: yeah]
#13873348 - 01/29/11 08:51 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Well, here are a couple quotes from his Diary of a Drug Fiend that you can take from what you will:
"It is a sort of sinister warning that there is some person or some thing in the Universe outside oneself: and the realization of that is as frankly frightening as the other realization, that one is eternally alone, is horrible." and "A man who has once experienced the drug-life finds it difficult to put up with the inanity of normal existence. He has become wise with the wisdom of despair."
He did have a very active sexual life but it's likely that given his high intelligence and interest in things out of the ordinary that he may have had difficulty finding friends. I really have no idea. Which book were you reading that mentioned this?
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: deCypher]
#13873741 - 01/29/11 10:21 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Path Notes of an American Ninja Master
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: yeah]
#13873850 - 01/29/11 10:52 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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yeah said: That's what I kind of figured.
I have this book written by some ninja where he mentions that Aleister Crowely was terribly lonely.
So is this true and that poem is a self reflection?
Actually Dr. Morris system is at www.kundaliniawakeningprocess.com
He wrote the book Path Notes of american ninja master,
He has his first Kundalini rising masturbating to porn 
He could barely function 6 months after that with incredible pain at the bottom of his skull and wanting to Vommmit from the pain of sex. His wife divorced him.
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: p4kSouL]
#13873897 - 01/29/11 11:04 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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Dr. Morris doesnt say that Aleister Crowely is lonely but if i can recall he said he had to go through hell to get to where he was at. Dr. morris said that people that go on the spiritual journal for selfish reasons end up becoming lonely.
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Re: To those who seek siddhis over samadhi: [Re: deCypher]
#13875194 - 01/30/11 05:33 AM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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deCypher said:
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yeah said: what was the point of the poem?
That spiritual powers are less important than discovering the true nature of the Self.
Question: Are the Siddhis (super-natural powers) mentioned in Patanjali's Sutras true or only his dream?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: He who is Brahman or the Self will not value those Siddhis. Patanjali himself says that they are all exercised with the mind and that they impede Self-realisation.
Question: What about the powers of so-called supermen?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: Whether powers are high or low, whether of the mind or of a supermind, they exist only with reference to the one who has the power. Find out who that is.
Question: Are Siddhis to be achieved on the spiritual path or are they opposed to Mukti (liberation)?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: The highest Siddhi is realization of the Self; for once you realize the truth you cease to be drawn to the path of ignorance.
Question: Then what use are the Siddhis?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: There are two kinds of Siddhis and one kind may well be a stumbling block to realisation. It is said that by Mantra, by some drug possessing occult virtues, by severe austerities or by samadhi of a certain kind, powers can be acquired. But these powers are not a means to Self-knowledge, for even when you acquire them, you may quite well be in ignorance.
Question: What is the other kind?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: They are manifestations of power and knowledge, which are quite natural to you when you realize the Self. They are Siddhis, which are the products of the normal and natural Tapas (spiritual practice) of the man who has reached the Self. They come of their own accord, they are God given. They come according to one's destiny but whether they come or not, the Jnani, who is settled in the supreme peace, is not disturbed by them. For he knows the Self and that is the unshakable Siddhi. But these Siddhis do not come by trying for them. When you are in the state of realization, you will know what these powers are.
Question: Does the sage use occult powers for making others realize the Self, or is the mere fact of his Self-realization enough for it?
Sri Ramana Maharshi: The force of his Self-realization is far more powerful than the use of all other powers. Though Siddhis are said to be many and different, Jnana (knowledge) alone is the highest of those many different Siddhis, because those who have attained other Siddhis will desire Jnana. Those who have attained Jnana will not desire other Siddhis. Therefore aspire only for Jnana. Although the powers appear to be wonderful to those who do not possess them, yet they are only transient. All these wonders are contained in the one changeless Self. Greedily begging for worthless occult powers (Siddhis) from God, who will readily give Himself, who is everything, is like begging for worthless stale gruel from a generous natured philanthropist who will readily give everything. In the Heart, which catches fire with the blazing flame of supreme devotion, all the occult powers will gather together. However, with a heart that has become a complete prey to the feet of the Lord, the devotee will not have any desire for those Siddhis. Know that if aspirants who are making efforts on the path to liberation set their heart upon occult powers, their dense bondage will be strengthened more and more, and hence the lustre of their ego will wax more and more. The attainment (Siddhi) of Self, which is the perfect whole, the radiance of liberation, alone is the attainment of true knowledge, whereas the other kinds of Siddhi, beginning with Anima (the ability to become as small as an atom) belong to the delusion of the power of imagination of the foolish mind. People see many things which are far more miraculous than the so-called Siddhis, yet do not wonder at them simply because they occur every day. When a man is born he is no bigger than this electric bulb, but then he grows up and becomes a giant wrestler, or a world-famed artist, orator, politician or sage. People do not view this as a miracle but they are wonder struck if a corpse is made to speak
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