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Connecting to Nature.
    #13874400 - 01/30/11 12:48 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Recently someone posted on one of my Threads trying to start a fight about animal rights or something... He was a troll anyways. trying to say I am an animal lover this and that and posting video's of pigs being abused and slaughtered and beaten with crowbars... I strongly believe that disrespecting animals and abusing animals you eat that let you live is one of the worst possible things you could do they die so you can have life. so this now make me a animal rights extremist or something?




Well my thread here is about Connecting to Nature. And how I connect to the Earth use it. and respect it.


I am a avid hunter. I VERY RARELY (like 3 or 4 times a year) buy meat at a Grocery Store (dont even have to buy meat there just sometimes beef is good once or twice a year.) All I usually get is cheese from the grocery store. I get my eggs from my friend who owns chickens on his farm. they are what the store would call cage free... I call them yard chickens.

I hunt deer duck goose rabbit turkey elk pheasant if it can feed me and my family I hunt for it. I fish for any fish I can catch. I hunt frogs turtles are good eating... I have had snakes before when camping.

I have a very close respect for the nature. and I believe I am connected to the earth or connected to life more then people who don't hunt because I depend on the land in order to sustain my way of life and my personal beliefs.

Could that fact that I have to kill dress and butcher and process and prepare my own meat from the land mean that I have a deeper respect for the nature and earth plants and animals? could this mean I actually am more in tune to nature and the earth than other people on a spiritual level? I believe so. what do you believe?

Edited by Stains Blue (01/30/11 12:56 AM)

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Stains Blue]
    #13874413 - 01/30/11 12:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

+5

Hunters tend to be more in touch with nature than anyone. I think the feeling of killing an animal for food and respecting the bounties that the animal gives you is a very powerful thing.

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13874445 - 01/30/11 12:55 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

your avatar hurts me.


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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: mexicanjewlucas]
    #13874460 - 01/30/11 12:57 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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mexicanjewlucas said:
your avatar hurts me.




lol sorry...

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: mexicanjewlucas]
    #13874469 - 01/30/11 12:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

and learn the reply feature i thought you were talking to me

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13874491 - 01/30/11 01:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i too am sorry


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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13874499 - 01/30/11 01:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Learn the reply feature... I think I can add that to my belief's.

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Stains Blue]
    #13874628 - 01/30/11 01:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's awesome that you do that, although I personally believe that we should not sustain ourselves on slaughtered animals simply because we can live healthfully and satisfied without doing so.

I think when it comes to someone telling you you shouldn't kill another animal for food, that decision is more of a religious choice than anything else.  It often takes into consideration someone's opinion of the soul/spirit, what has a soul, what doesn't, the value of the soul and/or life in general, etc.

Topics of that nature are mostly speculation.  As I said I have my opinions about it but I don't think my opinion is the right choice for everyone.  Lots of people feel sure of themselves but no one can make a generalization of right and wrong that is true for every person.

If what you say is true, then you are far less of a burden on this planet and nature as a whole than a vast majority of the country I belong to.  And no one I know would have any right to talk shit on your for what you're doing.


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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Shpongle1]
    #13874755 - 01/30/11 02:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Lol yeah i can barely read your message your avatar is disturbing.

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Shpongle1] * 1
    #13874792 - 01/30/11 02:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Shpongle1 said:
I think it's awesome that you do that, although I personally believe that we should not sustain ourselves on slaughtered animals simply because we can live healthfully and satisfied without doing so.

I think when it comes to someone telling you you shouldn't kill another animal for food, that decision is more of a religious choice than anything else.  It often takes into consideration someone's opinion of the soul/spirit, what has a soul, what doesn't, the value of the soul and/or life in general, etc.

Topics of that nature are mostly speculation.  As I said I have my opinions about it but I don't think my opinion is the right choice for everyone.  Lots of people feel sure of themselves but no one can make a generalization of right and wrong that is true for every person.

If what you say is true, then you are far less of a burden on this planet and nature as a whole than a vast majority of the country I belong to.  And no one I know would have any right to talk shit on your for what you're doing.




If we all lived off vegetables we would drive even more species to extinction by forcing them out of their habitat to create millions of new farms. Sorry, but that's a fact.

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Flop Johnson] * 1
    #13874871 - 01/30/11 02:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

personally, i feel there should not be any harm or violence toward other living beings

i am happy to eat one bowl of vegetables a day

my body is becoming increasingly sensitive to foods, most foods dont go down well. i would prefer organic vegetables, but i dont have that option currently.

nature is treated so violently on a global scale, it is sickening, i will not be a part of that. but i wouldnt bring myself to kill an animal either.

a nice organic all year round vegetable patch in the backyard sounds good to me. then there is also breatharianism, which i am finding success with.

i find bushwalks an amazing way to connect with nature also. gratitude and beauty. the energy from this connection is just wonderful, like a good swim in the ocean.

Edited by retrospect (01/30/11 02:48 AM)

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: retrospect] * 1
    #13874885 - 01/30/11 02:47 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

You'd probably change you mind if you were a survivalist in the arctic tundra who hadn't eaten for a few days :shrug:

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13874892 - 01/30/11 02:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

well i have been practicing not eating for days at a time

when the right energies are flowing its a really beautiful process

i think with the right knowedge i could easily survive on the plantlife

it would be a great oppurtunity to stop eating completely :grin:

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: retrospect] * 1
    #13874896 - 01/30/11 02:52 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes there's no plantlife around

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13875322 - 01/30/11 06:41 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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+5

Hunters tend to be more in touch with nature than anyone. I think the feeling of killing an animal for food and respecting the bounties that the animal gives you is a very powerful thing.





Most modern hunters are scum imo.  Subsistence hunting however is very honorable and can get you in touch with life, death, and nature.


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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #13875348 - 01/30/11 06:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

:shrug: You're probably uneducated on the subject. Or think you are educated and still are not.

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13875574 - 01/30/11 08:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yet I've been a hunter for 40 years and have taken survival hunting courses. Funny how perceptive you are.:thumbup:


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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #13875658 - 01/30/11 09:35 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Shpongle1 said:
I think it's awesome that you do that, although I personally believe that we should not sustain ourselves on slaughtered animals simply because we can live healthfully and satisfied without doing so.

I think when it comes to someone telling you you shouldn't kill another animal for food, that decision is more of a religious choice than anything else.  It often takes into consideration someone's opinion of the soul/spirit, what has a soul, what doesn't, the value of the soul and/or life in general, etc.

Topics of that nature are mostly speculation.  As I said I have my opinions about it but I don't think my opinion is the right choice for everyone.  Lots of people feel sure of themselves but no one can make a generalization of right and wrong that is true for every person.

If what you say is true, then you are far less of a burden on this planet and nature as a whole than a vast majority of the country I belong to.  And no one I know would have any right to talk shit on your for what you're doing.




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Flop Johnson said:
If we all lived off vegetables we would drive even more species to extinction by forcing them out of their habitat to create millions of new farms. Sorry, but that's a fact.



I agree 100%

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retrospect said:
personally, i feel there should not be any harm or violence toward other living beings

i am happy to eat one bowl of vegetables a day

my body is becoming increasingly sensitive to foods, most foods dont go down well. i would prefer organic vegetables, but i dont have that option currently.

nature is treated so violently on a global scale, it is sickening, i will not be a part of that. but i wouldnt bring myself to kill an animal either.

a nice organic all year round vegetable patch in the backyard sounds good to me. then there is also breatharianism, which i am finding success with.

i find bushwalks an amazing way to connect with nature also. gratitude and beauty. the energy from this connection is just wonderful, like a good swim in the ocean.






14 oz Steak = 800 calories.

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Potato: 113 calories per cup
Sweet potato: 180 calories per cup
Corn: 133 calories per cup
Broccoli: 25 calories per cup
Spinach: 7 calories per cup
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All those Vegetables total = 458 calories

This is way more than a bowl ^^^ you cannot survive on one bowl of veggies a day. you will die.
that is like 3 bowls of veggies. and you will still die is that is all you ate every day. you need at lead 1,500 - 2000 calories a day to survive. you would bee about 10 - 12 bowl of veggies a day to survive. 6 - 7 bowl of veggies to count as much as 1,  14oz steak.


I would have to agree if everyone went vegetarian the animals in the world would die out due to everything being cut down to produce farms to grow vegetables to sustain everyone.




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Icelander said:
Most modern hunters are scum imo.



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Yet I've been a hunter for 40 years





...? I am confused?

I don't buy meat I hunt meat. If i run out from what I hunted this year. then I don't eat meat. until hunting season. I i ration what i hunt (Because I hate running out of meat it has happened 2 times in my life and I refuse for it to happen again lol... it sucks)

So am I scum to you?
But because you hunt it is okay for you, and don't consider yourself scum?

I am confused with your statement.

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: retrospect]
    #13875685 - 01/30/11 09:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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retrospect said:
personally, i feel there should not be any harm or violence toward other living beings

i am happy to eat one bowl of vegetables a day

nature is treated so violently on a global scale, it is sickening, i will not be a part of that. but i wouldnt bring myself to kill an animal either.

i find bushwalks an amazing way to connect with nature also. gratitude and beauty. the energy from this connection is just wonderful, like a good swim in the ocean.




Well I like your honesty and opinion. It also reinforces my opinion. If you don't Hunt. Go Vegetarian.
Hunt or Vegetarian. If you cannot kill the animal for its meat. you don't deserve to eat it.

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Re: Connecting to Nature. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #13875797 - 01/30/11 10:27 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So am I scum to you?
But because you hunt it is okay for you, and don't consider yourself scum?


Well I guess you could start by reading my whole post. Most hunters at least in the States are sport hunters or trophy hunters. If they eat the meat it is often only the best parts and they leave the rest. They are weekend warriors and often don't make clean kills because they don't practice with their weapon or just want to shoot if it's a decent shot or not.

A subsistance hunter by my definition eats all of what they kill and hunt because they value wild meat or need to hunt to be able to afford to feed themselves. 

I've lived my life around the first type and I'm not impressed. I lived for a short while around the second type and was. Later in life I became the second type. I hunt because I value wild meat as healthier by far that grain or commercially fed meat and if I want to eat much meat then I have to financially.  It would be that or be total vegetarian which I don't want.


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