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Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus
    #1387306 - 03/18/03 09:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I live in Illinois and was wondering if any one from here hunts for this mushroom in my state . I know it can be found from spring to fall in cow fields to heavy fertilized lawns . I would just like to know peoples experiences with finding this mushroom , and potency of it , I heard that it is not that potent .  :confused: 


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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: growmore]
    #1387514 - 03/18/03 10:30 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Personally, living in Michigan, i find the pan subs and pan for. all over the place. I find them to be midly potent, but the trip seems very different , a very energetic visual trip as oppose to a introspective typical for me mushroom trip.


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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: tranced2]
    #1387744 - 03/18/03 11:25 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I agree totally with tranced. I pick loads of them here in NY. Eat them fresh if possible and if you find them...I ate...well I dont know exactly how much but me and three friends split two sandwich baggies full to the brim one time. I'm guessing around 3 ounces all together, I dunno. But the trip was INTENSE! I'd say a strong level 3. Very very visual!! I've never tried fresh cubies, nor eaten more than 3.5 grams of cubies so I can't really compare this trip to a hard cube trip. Well Good luck finding them man. hope i helped.


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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: flanders53]
    #1387750 - 03/18/03 11:27 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I've read that you should always dry P. subbalteatus before ingesting... But, that could be a myth I guess if you were Okay after eating them fresh!



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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: angryshroom]
    #1387784 - 03/18/03 11:39 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

From what I've heard, it tends to give you a bad case of the shits if you eat them raw...


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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: Gumby]
    #1388105 - 03/18/03 01:20 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Thangk guys you were of some help one more thing are they easy to Identify from what I have read they are some what easy to Identify any thing spisefic I should look for .


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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: growmore]
    #1388126 - 03/18/03 01:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Over time and exposure to the elements the bands on the cap will fade and the caps will go completely tan/off white. The only true way to be sure you've got subbs at this point is to: 1) already know that you're looking in a patch of subbs 2) check to see if they stain blue(rare with subbs) 3) check the spore size and shape under a microscope


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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: Gumby]
    #1388145 - 03/18/03 01:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Even though I've written my steps in determining if they are indeed P. subbalteatus about 20 times in the past week, I'll do them again.

This is an add on to Gumby's, and what characteristics I've witnessed when finding these mushrooms.

Caps are in the area of 2-4cm, sometimes reaching as large as 6cm. In younger specimens, cap is much more bell-shaped, with usually a dark reddish-brown to dark brown color. Matured specimens will have much more convex caps, some even to uplifted or flat. By that time, the coloration of the cap will be more two-toned, having a band of a darker colored brown and then a paler color bashe.

There is no veil.

Stems are about 0.5cm in width, hollow, reddish brown to chocolate brown to rusty brown, with short white fibrils.

Bluing will only occur on the attaching mycelium on the bottom of the stalk. The mycelium is the white fluffy growth on the very bottom of the mushroom, usually hidden by the substrate it is growing in. Pinch softly, and you will see a bluing effect. Since the stems are so dark in color, it is often hard to see the bluing.

Spore print is nice and black. Should not have any brown to it... it should be dark, "jet" black!


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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: angryshroom]
    #1388578 - 03/18/03 04:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

From John Allen's Close Encounters of the Panaeous Kind
Posted here at the Shroomery.

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I proceeded to take several photographs of the fungi while my eyes slowly scanned the caps, gills, and stems of the mushrooms as I attempted to key the fungi into their exact genera and species.

First I observed that the pileus or caps of the mushrooms were somewhat zonate, that is, they had layered zones of different shades of color runnig from the outer edges of the cap towards the center. Each cap was similar in appearance, each exhibiting several shades of a reddish-brown to a pallid tan tone. Later while I dried some of the mushrooms in the sun I noticed a color change which occurred during their drying stage. It transformed their radiance from a cinnamon reddish-brown (sometimes a fawn color) to a light copper brown in the center of the cap and they dried to a pallid white tone.

The center of the cap looked somewhat knobby in appearance. Eventually the color of the caps of the mushrooms seemed to fade to a pallid white grey tone and in some specimens the caps of the mushrooms had become pitted, wrinkled and parched while they dried. The younger specimens which I observed were mostly bell shaped or ovate and some were even convexed to umbonate in age. The margins on some of the caps were slightly incurved but did not seem to be translucent (viscid when moist) like their cousins the Psilocybes.

Next I turned over the pileus (cap) which I was now holding in my hand and I proceeded to take out my portable scissors from inside of my back pack. I then cut the stem of the mushroom from off of the cap and placed the cap of the mushroom (gill plates facing down) onto a piece of white paper which I had extracted from my back pack. I needed to make a sporeprint so that I could properly identify the genus to which these mushrooms belonged. I then placed a small jar over the mushroom cap so that the spores would fall properly down onto the paper and not blow away.

This proceedure is an important step for the amature mycologist who wishes to avoid an unpleasant accidental intoxication of a possible poisonous species of mushroom. It is also an important step in keying to genus, various species of fungi and proper field identification of a fungi species is necessary.

After twenty minutes I lifted the small jar from off of the paper and removed the mushroom cap which revealed the exact color the sporeprint had produced. Much to my amazement I was astonished to find that my mushroom cap had created a beautiful sporeprint. One which resembled a spiraling eye which was totally jet black.

Black spores are representative of several different genera (1) Coprinus (inky caps) and (2) Panaeolus (of which the latter species also include the cosmopolitan genus Copelandia and Anellaria.

Next I decided to check the gills of the mushroom cap which I had used to produce my sporeprint. I carefully examined the gills as well as their structure and I noticed that the edges of the gills were white and somewhat variegated or mottled. The margin of the cap seemed to overlap the gills.

I then picked up the stem which I had earlier cut from the mushroom cap and examined the end of it to determine if it was hollow. It was. This is another common feature in both Panaeolus and Psilocybe species. The color of the stem ranged from a dark reddish-brown to a light fawn color. It appeared to have verticle lines running like spirals up and down the stem which was also covered with white fibrils. No veil or remnants of a veil appeared to be present. The base of the stem was covered with a fine fluffy patch of white mycelium with threads of mycelia protruding around it's bulbous bottom.

All of a sudden my eyes began to sparkle and light up like a bright comet streaking through the sky which had suddenly began to clear up. I then noticed a tiny tinge of heavenly azure blue running along the base of the bulbous stem from where I had plucked it from out of the dung. Now and only now did I realized that this small black agaric fungi which I had stumbled upon during my humble wanderings was none other than the infamous weed fungus known as Panaeolus subbalteatus.



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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1394661 - 03/20/03 08:47 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for all the help full info gus . You all know how you are .


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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: growmore]
    #1395641 - 03/20/03 04:06 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm..I dont remember having a bad case of the shits. I think the reason you heard that they aren?t supposed to be ingested fresh is if they were picked directly from cow manure. Mr Mushrooms told me to boil them first in case there is too much bacteria or something. I will, however, never forget that night. :smile:

Here is a picture of the Pan Subbs I ate that night. I am pretty certain we ate all of these..plus a bunch more.. these had been drying for a number of hours I believe, which is why there isnt much color in the caps.



I love that pic!  These ones were pretty beefy as you can see. Angryshroom also picked some very nice subbs from a habitat very similar to where these fruited.


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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: flanders53]
    #1396084 - 03/20/03 07:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I was going to say, some of them dont look like subbalteatus because of the coloration isin't quite right on some of them... but, I guess if they were drying that could explain that.

They look way different from the ones I've found... You say you're in NY? Hmm... I am in CA, that might have something to do with it.. :smile:


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Re: Finding Panaeolus Subbalteatus [Re: angryshroom]
    #1396796 - 03/21/03 03:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah Angryshroom I've read that Pan Subb appearances and potency can vary greatly. When I saw yours I knew that you weren't near to me b/c they looked different. However, I had two main picking spots. One produced different looking subbs than yours, and the other spot was a similar habitat to yours and they looked quite similar to yours...Hmm...? Well, all I can say is that I hope the subbs come back again this season for me!


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