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OfflineLearyfanS
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Are you willing to send your child to war?
    #1387260 - 03/18/03 07:14 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Some people say that you shouldn't be in favor of the war unless you're willing to send your own child.

Agree?

Disagree?




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Re: Are you willing to send your child to war? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1387314 - 03/18/03 07:27 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Yes I agree but I think you should take it a step further. You should not support a war unless you would be willing to fight in it yourself.

"When the old men do the fighting and the young men all look on..."
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Re: Are you willing to send your child to war? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1387324 - 03/18/03 07:31 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I agree in principle, but I'm not going to tell people what they can and can't think.
It's far too easy to dehumanise people that you can't see, to casually dismiss the suffering of other human beings because they are far away. Some people need to face the reality that everyone has a family somewhere, everyone is somebody's son or daughter. Why wish the misery and pain of war onto other families just like yours?

How about you learyfan?


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.

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Re: Are you willing to send your child to war? [Re: Edame]
    #1387342 - 03/18/03 07:37 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Me?

I wouldn't go to war or send my kid.



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Re: Are you willing to send your child to war? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1387345 - 03/18/03 07:38 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't send my child to fight a war if I didn't support it. All I know is if some political figure in this country wants a war, then unless he is gonna fight it, I'm not going to fight it, especially if I don't support what the war is about. If this country gets itself into a war I don't support, they can get theirselves out of it instead of sitting around in their warm offices in the US while many soldiers die.

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Re: Are you willing to send your child to war? [Re: Evolving]
    #1387347 - 03/18/03 07:40 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

> Yes I agree but I think you should take it a step further. You should not
> support a war unless you would be willing to fight in it yourself.

I agree 100%.

Although if my kid wanted to fight in a war, I'd try to convince him not to. If his heart is set on it, I would support him.



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Re: Are you willing to send your child to war? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1387354 - 03/18/03 07:42 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Agree w/ Evolving.
Out of 250 congresspeople only ONE has a child in the service.
Frightening isn't it.

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Re: Are you willing to send your child to war? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1387412 - 03/18/03 07:57 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Unless the US military has changed its hiring regulations, I don't think that children are allowed to enlist.

By the time someone is old enough to enlist, they are also old enough to drive, to stop going to school, to live away from home, to vote (not sure about that one), etc.

In other words, it is their decision to go to war or not. The parents don't "send" their "child" to war -- the young adult decides for himself what course his adult life will follow.

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Re: Are you willing to send your child to war? [Re: Phred]
    #1387430 - 03/18/03 08:02 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

If there is a draft, voters who supports elected officials who support the draft could be said to be 'sending' their children to war.

Likewise your child might voluntarily enlist in the armed forces, but these forces are controlled by elected officials. If you support those officials in their efforts to send the armed forces into battle you could also be said to be 'sending' your child to war.

Nonetheless, your children will always be your children regardless of their ages. Did you stop being your mother's child when you reached legal voting age? I think the question is intended to address the strength of your convictions when calling for war, not the current status on how the armed forces are staffed.


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Edited by Evolving (03/18/03 08:13 AM)

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Re: Are you willing to send your child to war? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1387476 - 03/18/03 08:20 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

i'd be willing to send mine if they were in the Military...as a matter of fact if someone is in the military he/she isn't a child (they're grown up and can have independant thought) and the parents don't have a choice like it should be.

...and i was in Gulf War 1 so i'd say i would send mine.

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