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Omission to act=committing a crime?
#13870562 - 01/29/11 11:20 AM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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Scenario 1. (hypothetical)
You are walking by a lake one day and you see a child flopping around needing to be saved. You are a great swimmer and could easily bring the child to shore with minimal repercussions (time loss, clothes wet, wet cellphone(you have great insurance )).
If you decide not to save him, is this the same moral decision to kill him?
Scenario 2 (real world)
Hollywood housewife walks by malnourished bum days away from death. She spends 17,000 dollars on a 4 years olds birthday party.
If she decides not to feed him, is this the same moral decision to kill him?
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Re: Omission to act=committing a crime? [Re: Heffy]
#13870713 - 01/29/11 11:57 AM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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Arrest those Housewives!!!!
I wish we had some type of consumption law...
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Edited by mister sprinkles (01/29/11 12:00 PM)
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Well, Quebec's Charter of Rights states "Every human being whose life is in peril has a right to assistance...Every person must come to the aid of anyone whose life is in peril, either personally or calling for aid, by giving him the necessary and immediate physical assistance, unless it involves danger to himself or a third person, or he has another valid reason." So according to them, omission to act is illegal and hence probably immoral.
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mister sprinkles said: Scenario 1. (hypothetical)
You are walking by a lake one day and you see a child flopping around needing to be saved. You are a great swimmer and could easily bring the child to shore with minimal repercussions (time loss, clothes wet, wet cellphone(you have great insurance;))).
If you decide not to save him, is this the same moral decision to kill him?
Scenario 2 (real world)
Hollywood housewife walks by malnourished bum days away from death. She spends 17,000 dollars on a 4 years olds birthday party.
If she decides not to feed him, is this the same moral decision to kill him?

Yes to first
No to second
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Re: Omission to act=committing a crime? [Re: Icelander]
#13870778 - 01/29/11 12:17 PM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
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mister sprinkles said: Scenario 1. (hypothetical)
You are walking by a lake one day and you see a child flopping around needing to be saved. You are a great swimmer and could easily bring the child to shore with minimal repercussions (time loss, clothes wet, wet cellphone(you have great insurance;))).
If you decide not to save him, is this the same moral decision to kill him?
Scenario 2 (real world)
Hollywood housewife walks by malnourished bum days away from death. She spends 17,000 dollars on a 4 years olds birthday party.
If she decides not to feed him, is this the same moral decision to kill him?

Yes to first
No to second
Can you elaborate on why you said no to the second?
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Edited by mister sprinkles (01/29/11 12:18 PM)
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In the second there is no way to know that not feeding this beggar will kill him. Plus he can go work and get some food or find a soup kitchen. He has resources he can choose to use to take care of himself. She bears no responsibility towards him.
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Re: Omission to act=committing a crime? [Re: Icelander]
#13870871 - 01/29/11 12:41 PM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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The child should learn to swim?
What if he(the bum) had things happen to him that were out of his control, abused, born genetically wrong(it is all probability) where he could not feed himself, would it not be justified.
What I'm trying to get at is the people with all the resources in the world(top1%) still turn a blind eye to the suffering that they can help shrink. The rich usually only give to the poor when it makes them money (tax breaks)
We are truly run by the dollar and not by morality... Once we switch the value we'll see more harmony/ less suffering.
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Maybe he does know how to swim?
Nobody owes anyone anything. Lets say she saves the bum from dying but doesn't know he's a serial killer and a child rapist.
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Re: Omission to act=committing a crime? [Re: Icelander]
#13870936 - 01/29/11 12:53 PM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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There is no good or evil in the universe, only chaos (at least imo), therefore, I wouldn't feel bad if I left a bum to die in the streets.
Did I answer the question?
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Re: Omission to act=committing a crime? [Re: Icelander]
#13870940 - 01/29/11 12:54 PM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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Nobody owes anyone anything.
So are you down for total anarchy... A world wide royal rumble?
I think as intelligent beings we have the ability to distinguish right from wrong...al-la the golden rule .... Could just be the motor neurons and pack living increases the chance of survival... O there has to be more than Darwin, compassion would have been selected against a long time ago right? Or is it now starting to leave...
Icelander I read a lot of your posts and wish you weren't so cynical all the time, but you are very consistent and I hope you allow more compassion into your life.
Icelander: "You hoping wont have any bearing on my life...(grumpy tone)" jk... thanks for helping see the other side of the coin.
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Edited by mister sprinkles (01/29/11 12:56 PM)
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Re: Omission to act=committing a crime? [Re: Joolz]
#13870956 - 01/29/11 12:57 PM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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I see good and evil everyday! I wish I could say it just is...
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Re: Omission to act=committing a crime? [Re: Joolz]
#13870970 - 01/29/11 01:01 PM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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Joolz said: There is no good or evil in the universe, only chaos (at least imo), therefore, I wouldn't feel bad if I left a bum to die in the streets.
Did I answer the question?
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So are you down for total anarchy... A world wide royal rumble?
I'm going to have to be down for the way life actually is.
And as I said we don't know if our actions will produce good or evil. I don't give my money to random beggars because they may not be good people and worth supporting. Some times it helps to think a little instead of just knee jerk reactions.
Icelander I read a lot of your posts and wish you weren't so cynical all the time, but you are very consistent and I hope you allow more compassion into your life.
Here's where your post gets really offensive and condescending and ignorant imo. Who the fuck do you think you are to pass judgment on me? This type of personalism has no place in this forum and is against the rules. So STFU
Consistant enough for you?
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Re: Omission to act=committing a crime? [Re: Icelander]
#13871037 - 01/29/11 01:16 PM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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Yes to first
*sigh* Someone needs to reread their Castaneda/Don Juan as regards to fate.
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Oh I agree but I was speaking to common morals. Something I personally don't adhere to.
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Re: Omission to act=committing a crime? [Re: Icelander]
#13871673 - 01/29/11 03:56 PM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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Icelander said: So are you down for total anarchy... A world wide royal rumble?
I'm going to have to be down for the way life actually is.
And as I said we don't know if our actions will produce good or evil. I don't give my money to random beggars because they may not be good people and worth supporting. Some times it helps to think a little instead of just knee jerk reactions.
Icelander I read a lot of your posts and wish you weren't so cynical all the time, but you are very consistent and I hope you allow more compassion into your life.
Here's where your post gets really offensive and condescending and ignorant imo. Who the fuck do you think you are to pass judgment on me? This type of personalism has no place in this forum and is against the rules. So STFU
Consistant enough for you?
Sir you took this the wrong way, in no way did I mean to be offensive/condescending/ingnant... I sometimes can not communicate the thought that I'm trying relay. I completely apologize! I respect your thinking and enjoy reading your thoughts, you are a very intelligent being. I can't help but form a judgement on past posts that I have read, sorry i'm human.
I guess I should have made a post about it somewhere else to follow the rules, but again I didn't try to flame you or attack you in anyway. I don't think being cynical is derogatory at all, it is just a way of thinking.
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Bull Shit.
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Re: Omission to act=committing a crime? [Re: Icelander]
#13871885 - 01/29/11 04:29 PM (13 years, 27 days ago) |
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