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 Shpongle1
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 First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. 
#13871116 - 01/29/11 01:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm currently participating in my first grow. I do not have any appropriate place to be growing at my house so I have enlisted the help of one friend for that purpose. He's the boyfriend of a girl I've known for a while and for the most part a generous dude. Rolls blunts on the regular, has connects for things, makes alcoholic beverages to share even though they are fairly broke, etc.
That being said, I know he needs money and I'm somewhat skeptical that he may be ripping me off weight wise. Putting fruits into a secret stash when I'm away instead of our community pile to be split up evenly.
We have five casings. Rye, spawned to coir cased 50/50. Depth of about 3 inches. Here is a picture I uploaded previously, before it had fully colonized or been cased. This was January 3.
January 22 we were looking like this.
They weren't going too crazy so we picked off the bit that was there, did a dunk and removed from the trays because we had a lot of side pinning. He was all excited telling me how they were going nuts and there were like "hundreds" now on the sides.
Now last night I went over there and he says "Those are so potent. Gave a friend my eighth to split, they loved it. Here's your eighth."
Now, according to him those five casings only fruited an eighth the first flush (which he took), and now so far from the second flush we only got another eighth (which he gave to me)??
Given the dates in question, and that picture of picked fresh mushrooms, is it at all reasonable that all I would have to show for this endeavour up to this date in question is this eighth?!
I know it's possible to end up with nothing due to certain errors but I followed the instructions to the T. Everything has looked great. Am I getting fucked over here??
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871127 - 01/29/11 01:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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not even 4 dry grams...
its all a toss up without isolates and clones and proper fruiting conditions..
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Luigi on Shrooms said:
Its been 4weeks since i cased what is going on?
i used human manure(mine) vermiculite and coco coir
Edited by Synocybin (01/29/11 01:44 PM)
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Synocybin]
#13871137 - 01/29/11 01:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hm... So you think it is probably legit then?
We have another syringe plus a Grain LC I made for fun left. But after last night I told him that I'm not going to spend any more money on rye or anything else for that matter and take my syringes back if I'm just going to pull an eighth or two.
My attempt there was to let him know that I am not satisfied, that way if he is trying to be shady he will cease these behaviors. He has very limited knowledge if any about this stuff. No way he'd pull it off himself.
Maybe I'm just disappointed and trying to point the finger? Just seemed very odd to me.
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
Edited by Shpongle1 (01/29/11 01:49 PM)
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871152 - 01/29/11 01:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who said they were going to ban you? I don't see you breaking any rules at all.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Synocybin]
#13871161 - 01/29/11 01:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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its all possible but, if you think about it he is taking a risk and maybe wanting a little extra on the side for it. i know thats realy bogus to do a friend like that but it happend to me- or maybe temps. aren't rite for maximem out put or you have a poor fruiter- all pins dont always mature, it could be many innocent things like that too. i would just ask him- i can ask some one a question and the answer they give doesn't matter- i can tell by their reaction whats up.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: jacobensis]
#13871179 - 01/29/11 01:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Synocybin's original post was "Ban?" sign but he edited then so I'm guessing it was a mistake.
Very depressing. Everything looked good at first. Thought it was going to take off. Maybe I will just have to ask him straight up. I mean I saw him last night, he played it cool, offered us over later that night to get drunk with them... Fuck it. There's no way to really know.
Just thought there might be some evidence that led one way or the other for those here who have more experience.
That being sad, does that abort at the top center near the lid need to be tossed? The cap is a bit black and it's pretty hard. Don't eat that one, eh?
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871187 - 01/29/11 02:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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1.Hm... So you think it is probably legit then?
2.My attempt there was to let him know that I am not satisfied, that way if he is trying to be shady he will cease these behaviors.
3.He has very limited knowledge if any about this stuff. No way he'd pull it off himself.
4.Maybe I'm just disappointed and trying to point the finger? Just seemed very odd to me.
1. Its possible. sometimes you can have an awesome looking mushie that looks beastly, and you weigh it and its like 14 wet grams, then you go "wtf? this thing looked huge" again, genetic tossup..
2. lol i doubt that.. just gives him cause to know if he keeps doing it, you'll quit and then he can grow alone, because...
3. ... most of us had limited knowledge of anything when we came here too. look at us now.. the internet is a wonderful place sir.
4. maybe.
now let me say this.. if you havent the means to be cultivating, then you probably dont need to be doing so until you do.
reasons for that are, if you are at mom and dads and they find your grow, what then?
or you grow with someone else because you dont have the space and since you arent there, they rip you off your end or one day just dont answer the phone or the door and all of a sudden they're gone.
so really? really?
please try to give this hobby the FULL attention it deserves and for the love of god think about your decisions.
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Luigi on Shrooms said:
Its been 4weeks since i cased what is going on?
i used human manure(mine) vermiculite and coco coir
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: jacobensis]
#13871198 - 01/29/11 02:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dudes letting you grow illegal stuff in his house, he deserves a bigger cut IMO
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Synocybin]
#13871221 - 01/29/11 02:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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please try to give this hobby the FULL attention it deserves and for the love of god think about your decisions.
This is true. I probably should have waited. However, I've already waited for a year or so at this point and I mentioned it to him and he was down so I went for it.
Sucks not to be able to be there first hand for every step of their growth and see everything and be solely responsible for misting/fanning and stuff but whatever I guess. I would've waited but even once I get out of this current living situation it is highly unlikely that I will be living alone. Or with people into such hobbies.
I guess given what I've heard, and if I stop and look at it objectively, it's unlikely the he ripped me off. Or if he did, it wasn't a lot. I doubt he packed an oz, even half oz, away without me being aware of it. I've been going over about every 3-4 days or so.
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871229 - 01/29/11 02:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Judging from the look of the growing mushrooms and the pinset i would say there where some problems during fruiting and that could knock down the weight. If you look at the caps of several of the mushrooms they are cracked and this is generally a sign that there was not enough humidity in the fruiting chamber(the fruiting around the edges of the tub suggest the same) and that could definatly have decreased both the number and the size of the fruits (and hence the dry weight) that you harvested. If conditions where as dry during pinning you would see less pins and more aborts. The side pinning is just the mushrooms responding to the higher humidity around the edges of the substrate and finding better growing conditions.
Of course i have no clue weather the guy is trust worthy or not but fruits can dry down to very little weight at times depending on how meaty they where to start with and weather the stems where hollow or not. If you had reason to trust him enough to grow with in the first place i would hope it would take a lot more evidence than a poor harvest to arouse your suspicion. If you grow with other people (and many will say you never should) make sure you would trust them with your life.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: 3Cajun1Mo8]
#13871255 - 01/29/11 02:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's pretty audacious of you. The guy opened his house for you to do HIGHLY illegal things in, and you thank him by accusing him of stealing a few poorly grown mushrooms?! Sounds like you need to get your own place, and better technique for that matter. 
Looking at your pictures, there's no way there was an ounce there. An ounce is A LOT of mushies of that size, I'm talking like, a covered substrate.
p.s. NEED MORE MOISTURE/HUMIDITY.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: slartibartfast]
#13871259 - 01/29/11 02:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I also believe humidity was an issue for us. Not sure what caused it to be such a problem but it sure seemed like it to me.
Any salvaging it at this point? We're probably in the middle of the second flush for the early trays or just about to begin for the others. Would you recommend a dunk? Increase the misting?
I feel like if it barely produced so far due to lack of humidity then there is still a high level of nutrients left and hence a large amount of mushrooms that we could still produce!
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: slartibartfast]
#13871275 - 01/29/11 02:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im sorry, but the OP sounds like he is a minor. And if not, he is certainly not mature enough to be doing this, and is obviously cash cropping (or trying to).
If his house gets raided or he otherwise gets caught, are you going to volunteer and stand up and take half of his jail sentence? You think this story flies with the cops: "Its only half mine, the other guy doesnt live there and is a friend of a friend." The police would laugh at you.
You should take what you get and consider yourself lucky.
If you dont trust him, get whatever is your property, take your ball and go home.
Sorry to be negative but this post is DOUCHEBAGGERY.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: narcoticrex]
#13871288 - 01/29/11 02:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck off. What does asking for some type of estimation of expected weight have to do with immaturity. 
I appreciate everyone else's insight and opinions but your assumptions are wrong on all counts therefore are not relevant in the slightest.
I expected a much higher yield. Posted pictures of what we had happening and asked if what I have seems about right or if he could be dipping into the jar. That makes me a minor huh? 
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
Edited by Shpongle1 (01/29/11 02:24 PM)
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871302 - 01/29/11 02:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck off yourself.
You are on the internet crying, butthurt over a handful of mushrooms that make you feel funny if you eat them. Not pounds, or even ounces, but a literal handful.
Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.
Edited by narcoticrex (01/29/11 02:25 PM)
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871307 - 01/29/11 02:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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All the moisture and FAE in the world wont help your grow because of the bad vibes your feeding them
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: narcoticrex]
#13871310 - 01/29/11 02:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck off yourself.
You are on the internet crying, butthurt over a handful of mushrooms that make you feel funny if you eat them. Not pounds, or even ounces, but a literal handful.
Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.
You have 8 posts. 8...... Don't be a douche bag before anybody even gets to know you. Bad Idea IMO
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: narcoticrex]
#13871313 - 01/29/11 02:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very butthurt. Very butthurt indeed.
You are a wise, wise man. 
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: 3Cajun1Mo8]
#13871323 - 01/29/11 02:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would say from looking at the pics that he wasn't lying.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: siko887]
#13871331 - 01/29/11 02:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have 8 posts. 8...... Don't be a douche bag before anybody even gets to know you. Bad Idea IMO
If I am the douchebag in this scenario, and OPs actions condoned, maybe I dont care to be a part of this community.
I thank the shroomery with all my heart for its knowledge and sharing.
I dont think the OP does. He obviously just has selfishness in his heart.
Whatever, im done here.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: 3Cajun1Mo8]
#13871332 - 01/29/11 02:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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All the moisture and FAE in the world wont help your grow because of the bad vibes your feeding them
Damn, I know it seems that way but it's really not true. It's the Syzygy strain and we had the laptop set up by them playing recordings of Terence and Ott radio channel on Pandora and stuff haha.
I feel like an asshole for having assumed the worst right away I just couldn't believe it. Everything seemed so dead on and to get handed an eighth after how long it's been just seemed really strange. Especially after he just told me about how crazy the trays were going and that he already gave some away.
Oh well, just a poor first attempt I suppose.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: narcoticrex]
#13871344 - 01/29/11 02:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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siko887 said:
You have 8 posts. 8...... Don't be a douche bag before anybody even gets to know you. Bad Idea IMO
If I am the douchebag in this scenario, and OPs actions condoned, maybe I dont care to be a part of this community.
I thank the shroomery with all my heart for its knowledge and sharing.
I dont think the OP does. He obviously just has selfishness in his heart.
Whatever, im done here.
Don't assume just because he isn't growing in his house, that he's a minor. People bring so much negativity where it's not needed. Assumptions will get you nowhere.
Maybe he lives in a house with a bunch of tropical plants that house a bunch of foreign mold spores. Maybe he's a minor. But really it's none of your business.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: siko887]
#13871355 - 01/29/11 02:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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It becomes ALL OF OUR BUSINESS when he brings it on here. Everything on the shroomery represents the shroomery. Like it or not, that is how perceptions work.
He could have easily made this thread without the drama, and no one would have said anything but kind helping words.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: narcoticrex]
#13871372 - 01/29/11 02:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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It becomes ALL OF OUR BUSINESS when he brings it on here. Everything on the shroomery represents the shroomery. Like it or not, that is how perceptions work.
He could have easily made this thread without the drama, and no one would have said anything but kind helping words.
Or everyone could have simply ignored the drama and answered the question. We all see people doin stupid things and most of the time its funnier to just sit back and watch.
So take a seat. Drink a beer. And try not to flat out insult people, especially when you don't know their circumstances.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871380 - 01/29/11 02:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't even understand why it's assumed I'm a minor. Just because I'm not in a situation to grow in my house?
I don't live somewhere where affording a place yourself at 22 is possible unless you're some kind of trustfund baby. Not everyone in the city takes kindly to people growing strange fungi in their closet.
If the first thing you think is "living at home with your parents" instead of many of the other possibilities, I think it says more about YOU than it does about me. I've lived all over the country, haven't been at home for a few years. Sorry to rain on another of your poorly formed assumptions.
Thanks everyone else for the insight. I realize it was stupid to jump to that as a POSSIBLE conclusion but I didn't think it would hurt to ask.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: narcoticrex]
#13871387 - 01/29/11 02:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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It becomes ALL OF OUR BUSINESS when he brings it on here. Everything on the shroomery represents the shroomery. Like it or not, that is how perceptions work.
He could have easily made this thread without the drama, and no one would have said anything but kind helping words.
Glad to see we're adding a neurotic asshole to the community. What a welcoming party you've turned this thread into Narcoticrex!
1.) Numerous false assumptions about me.
2.) Fueling and or creating unneeded drama.
3.) Hijacking threads.
All within your first 10 posts! Welcome!!
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: siko887]
#13871392 - 01/29/11 02:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yknow, I could sit here all day and school you. Nice attempt at argument deflection.
Its not about you being a minor. its not even about you having your own place.
Its about you whining on the internet because you think you got ripped off, by your "friend" WHO TOOK ALL THE RISK AND PROBABLY MOST OF THE CARE....at least, what care it looks like it was given.
Like I said, if you dont trust him, take your ball and go home. Dont come on the internet with a couple pictures of some shit shrooms and ask us to make judgement calls whether your friend is in a "conspiracy" against you.
goddamnit people are ignorant. its no wonder our world is so fucked up.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871396 - 01/29/11 02:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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And you have 350 posts and cant grow shrooms worth shit.
So what does that say?
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: narcoticrex]
#13871409 - 01/29/11 02:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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And you have 350 posts and cant grow shrooms worth shit.
So what does that say?
It says: ITS TIME TO GET HIGH :P 
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: narcoticrex]
#13871413 - 01/29/11 02:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it's not about being a minor why bring that up in the first place?
I did no whining. Asked a question.
I've been on the shroomery for a bit now. Haven't ever set anyone to Ignore yet. You've been on here for 11 posts now and already I see reason to do so.
Numerous other people here have ALREADY instructed you to change your approach. I have been rated highly by others (aside from making the mistake of asking a question about NeuroSoup's book). And yet you are going to school me all day?
I bid you good day.
Thanks again to everyone else. Hopefully this thread will get locked any minute. It was meant to be a simple question. Not a breeding ground for brand new members to try to prove themselves as vigilantes.
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871429 - 01/29/11 02:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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The problem is that they are dry. Not enough humidity. I'm not responsible for that aspect of the grow. As you yourself pointed out.
I boiled the grains to proper moisture content, build glovebox, inoculated, colonized without contam, pasteurized the substrate, spawned all with no contams. They are not getting enough misting/FAE now that I'm not there everyday to do it.
Where are your grow pics? You're not worth the time to respond any longer. Good day all.
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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined. Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens.
- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871434 - 01/29/11 02:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Numerous other people here have ALREADY instructed you to change your approach."
Really, can you name them? I only see Siko.
But I can count at least 3 others basically calling you a douche.
Have fun in your fantasy world. I dont think you need to eat anything to get fucked up, youre already there.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: narcoticrex]
#13871468 - 01/29/11 03:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey hey now let's not turn this into a finger pointing or popularity contest.
I think your low yield was due to the poor construction of the fruiting chamber. From those pics, your holes are sporadically placed all around the tub different distances from one another and with no regard to the substrate depth. ALSO, how do you expect your substrate to get FAE when they're in a tub with no holes in a tray with poor holes. You can't expect the air flow to reach down a few inches into the tray and initiate pinning.
You should educate your grower before complaining about his yield. I'm sure you would have done it better yourself but he's never been to the shroomery.
peace
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: mylfgur]
#13871497 - 01/29/11 03:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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mylfgur said:
Hey hey now let's not turn this into a finger pointing or popularity contest.
I think your low yield was due to the poor construction of the fruiting chamber. From those pics, your holes are sporadically placed all around the tub different distances from one another and with no regard to the substrate depth. ALSO, how do you expect your substrate to get FAE when they're in a tub with no holes in a tray with poor holes. You can't expect the air flow to reach down a few inches into the tray and initiate pinning.
You should educate your grower before complaining about his yield. I'm sure you would have done it better yourself but he's never been to the shroomery.
peace
Thank you for the sincere, informative response. 
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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13871519 - 01/29/11 03:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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"how do you expect your substrate to get FAE when they're in a tub with no holes in a tray with poor holes."
I meant to say was that your trays don't have holes and aren't filled to the top and they are inside a FC with poor FAE design. I had a little trouble with my first FC because of hole size, too. The holes in that tub look pretty small for the way they're placed.
I think I read on here one time that growing is a "balancing act between FAE and humidity." pretty good advice.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: mylfgur]
#13871566 - 01/29/11 03:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is a balancing act between humidity and FAE.
If I had to prioritize between the two, I would go for maximizing FAE. contaminations happen in high humidity low air exchange environments.
usually there is enough moisture in a properly hydrated bulk substrate to get you through a flush.
moisture and air exchange are both important ... the way I do things, FAE is critical.
good luck everyone.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: mylfgur]
#13871571 - 01/29/11 03:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, honestly I was unsure about the FC's design. The holes ARE too small. So we tried to compensate by adding more but I don't think that was all that effective. We already have new tubs for that though.
As for the FAE and misting... I've tried my hardest to stress the importance of that to him. He claims he does it a lot but who really knows. I'm confident the majority of the issue is the poorly built FC though.
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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined. Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens.
- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Shpongle1]
#13872214 - 01/29/11 05:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shpongle1 said:
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3Cajun1Mo8 said:
All the moisture and FAE in the world wont help your grow because of the bad vibes your feeding them
Damn, I know it seems that way but it's really not true. It's the Syzygy strain and we had the laptop set up by them playing recordings of Terence and Ott radio channel on Pandora and stuff haha.
I feel like an asshole for having assumed the worst right away I just couldn't believe it. Everything seemed so dead on and to get handed an eighth after how long it's been just seemed really strange. Especially after he just told me about how crazy the trays were going and that he already gave some away.
Oh well, just a poor first attempt I suppose.
bad vibes as in going into the grow all wrong.
you expected something, in return got something else, which didnt make you happy.
you cant be that way about things in this.
there is no set weight you are going to get, there is no set time that they are going to grow and pin.
its a wait and see game, the only thing you control is their environment, which could use some sprucing up..
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Its been 4weeks since i cased what is going on?
i used human manure(mine) vermiculite and coco coir
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Re: First Grow Conspiracy. Need Insight. [Re: Synocybin]
#13874589 - 01/30/11 01:24 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're absolutely right.
I think it's just frustrating given all the time I've spent researching, buying, doing. And then to have what I consider to be a failure...
Just a new hobby I guess. Something totally different from anything I've done and I didn't do it well! Not all that used to that. Not being conceited here, I just don't have a lot of hobbies I enjoy that I'm bad at so this takes some getting used to.
Feel guilty for assuming the worst about someone just because we didn't make a good team (or a good FC) on this project. Sorry about the drama, the title was a joke but thanks for the helpful info to those that bothered to give it.
Appreciate it.
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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined. Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens.
- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.
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